Re: [Vo]:Ignition

2012-04-22 Thread David Roberson
Yes, that is correct. Liquid gasoline does not burn without oxygen present. Explosives have all of the needed ingredients 'built in" so they do not require extra oxygen from the air. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Apr 23, 2012 1:05 am Subject:

Re: [Vo]:Ignition

2012-04-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 9:59 PM, wrote: > Actually, the liquid gasoline never burns. Only vapor burns. This is > true in an > engine as well. The smaller the droplets, the more easily they evaporate > and > provide the necessary vapor. > Does this follow from the fact that the reaction is an o

Re: [Vo]:Ignition

2012-04-22 Thread David Roberson
I was considering the gasoline vapor ignition question further and thought that a simple math example of the effect would shed light upon the subject. An intense amount of local heating is generated when a small region of vapor mix is ignited by some means. This released heat energy then pr

Re: [Vo]:Ignition

2012-04-22 Thread mixent
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:52:35 -0500: Hi, [snip] >I don't know the specific energies involved, but my sense of this is >as follows: > >First of all, yes, it's obvious: gasoline does not ignite just >because an individual molecule is oxidized, as it will be

Re: [Vo]:Ignition

2012-04-22 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:02 PM 4/22/2012, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Here's a little conundrum that has troubled me for some time. Take a cup of gasoline and place it in open sunlight. It will slowly evaporate. Bring a flame near it and it will suddenly ignite. Why don't the UV rays from sunlight cause ignition?

Re: [Vo]:Ignition

2012-04-22 Thread David Roberson
A further thought. Consider the fuel intake valve of an automobile. We all know that these can not be perfect and thus allow absolute isolation between the extremely hot gases within the cylinder and the intake mixture. Some explosive gas and heat must get to the intake mix but it does not i

Re: [Vo]:Ignition

2012-04-22 Thread David Roberson
Let me give this a try. I suspect that the magnitude of energy delivered by the UV rays is not quite enough to allow ignition of a small region of the gasoline. It reminds me of the ignition of gunpowder where a flame can be placed upon a small amount of powder and it takes some time before i

Re: [Vo]:Pirelli Foundation funds successful LENR Cold Fusion Project

2012-04-22 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-04-20 14:09, Ron Kita wrote: Greetings Vortex-L If you use a Google Chrome browser it will automatically translate this for you: http://www.greenme.it/informarsi/energie-rinnovabili/7458-fusione-fredda-e-cat-studenti It can be seen even in Italian that the Pirelli Foundation funded the

Re: [Vo]:Ignition

2012-04-22 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:14:40 -0700: Hi Jones, You are probably correct, but that just shifts the definition of the problem. The question then becomes, "why is density important?" (I'm looking for an answer involving a molecular level analysis.) >Sunlight will ca

RE: [Vo]:Ignition

2012-04-22 Thread Jones Beene
Sunlight will cause ignition, with only slight focusing. Magnifying glass is sufficient. Be my guest to try it, but stand back... This indicates that it is not only energy per photon that is important, but energetic photon-density per unit area. -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.

[Vo]:Ignition

2012-04-22 Thread mixent
Hi, Here's a little conundrum that has troubled me for some time. Take a cup of gasoline and place it in open sunlight. It will slowly evaporate. Bring a flame near it and it will suddenly ignite. Why don't the UV rays from sunlight cause ignition? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspa

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-22 Thread Axil Axil
>From a Rossi interview, http://pesn.com/2012/01/14/9602012_Momentous_Breakthroughs_Announced_During_Anniversary_E-Cat_Interview/ *It was also clarified that each individual home E-Cat system will utilize one reactor core. This is different than what was stated only a couple months ago, which ind

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-22 Thread Alain Sepeda
the power density of Defkalion hyperion, is about 5kW for 10g of powder, 5kg of reactor, plus pipes,pump and bottle (should be negligible if well integrated and MW sized)... 45MW mechanic, imply 150-200MW thermal, so about 200ton of reactor, plus turbines. it is not far from the current total wei

Re: [Vo]:Self Bending Light..into a circle=?

2012-04-22 Thread LORENHEYER
Well, all I can say is, if you would have taken the amount of time I have over the yrs, to look up into the nightsky (no telescope) over the years, looking up in the nightsky, you would have more-than-likely seen any number of star-light lights way-up in-space in-orbit orbit traveling along at s

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Axil Axil wrote: It can be extremely useful to incorporate 45 megawatts of LENR power into a > stealth aircraft. > > > > This capability will allow the stealth aircraft designer a true UFO like > performance via a hybrid ion jet engine. > How would you get a 45 M

[Vo]:Tesla and Solar City Projects

2012-04-22 Thread Terry Blanton
http://gigaom.com/cleantech/tesla-solarcity-quietly-selling-building-battery-projects/ Tesla, SolarCity quietly selling building battery projects By Katie Fehrenbacher Apr. 17, 2012, 5:00am PT Electric car company Tesla and solar roof installer SolarCity have quietly been making deals that could

Re: [Vo]:LENR in lithium batteries ?

2012-04-22 Thread fznidarsic
zero sales for two months -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 12:26 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:LENR in lithium batteries ? -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton > Since 3H (tritium) has such a unique decay signature as it goes to 3He > (heli

RE: [Vo]:LENR in lithium batteries ?

2012-04-22 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton > Since 3H (tritium) has such a unique decay signature as it goes to 3He > (helium-3) one has to wonder if radiation was being monitored during the > battery testing. Probably not, since without deuterium in higher > proportions, this kind of radiati

Re: [Vo]:Which is Better: Dishwasher or Washing Dishes by Hand?

2012-04-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Which method uses fewer natural resources too? > The study cited here indicates that the machine uses fewer resources. These studies probably compare the machine to what anthropologists call the "American method" of washing dishes or clothes, which is

Re: [Vo]:LENR in lithium batteries ?

2012-04-22 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > Since 3H (tritium) has such a unique decay signature as it goes to 3He > (helium-3) one has to wonder if radiation was being monitored during the > battery testing. Probably not, since without deuterium in higher > proportions, this kind of r

Re: [Vo]:Which is Better: Dishwasher or Washing Dishes by Hand?

2012-04-22 Thread Terry Blanton
The dishwasher rarely breaks dishes. By hand it's, "You wash, I'll drop." T

RE: [Vo]:Which is Better: Dishwasher or Washing Dishes by Hand?

2012-04-22 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
>From Jed: > Dishwashing machines are much better. The use only hot water, > at temperatures much higher than a person can stand even with > rubber gloves. This helps disinfect the dishes. They have aux > heaters in case the incoming hot water is not hot enough. I'll certainly grant the obvious e

[Vo]:Self Bending Light..into a circle=?

2012-04-22 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex-L Self Bending Light: http://phys.org/news/2012-04-physicists-maxwells-equations-self-bending.html Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-22 Thread Axil Axil
It can be extremely useful to incorporate 45 megawatts of LENR power into a stealth aircraft. This capability will allow the stealth aircraft designer a true UFO like performance via a hybrid ion jet engine. >From the article on Military jet engines…see Under Stealth http://engines.fighter-