Re: [Vo]:LENR detailitis

2012-05-01 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > Is it truly cold and is it truly fusion? Well, it's got to be nuclear in > nature, but until we know what it *is* -- and we don't -- we can't rule > anything out, not completely. > Abd, you bring up some excellent points. What I woul

Re: [Vo]:New York Times- Link to : Quantum Fusion - Brillouin

2012-05-01 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Jones Beene wrote: All the Godes/BEC are required to do - in order to silence the skeptics (and > at the same time receive all the funding they can ever use) is to > demonstrate conclusively the appearance of Helium in the ash. > Helium ash is a well-known result

Re: [Vo]:What was that?

2012-05-01 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 6:29 PM, wrote: > > It did not move like an aircraft. It meandered around at a low velocity > for about one minute. Then it got dimmer and cycled off and on on random > intervals of about two second intervals.. An aircraft would have to be > traveling in circules to do

Re: [Vo]:New York Times- Link to : Quantum Fusion - Brillouin

2012-05-01 Thread Alain Sepeda
2012/5/2 > >4H -> 4He + 2e+ + 2anti-v +Energy > > > This should be 4H -> 4He + e- + anti-v + Energy. > (4H is one proton and three neutrons). > Oops, right, thanks for correction it is more simple. > > Note the "silliness" of this situation: First the proton acquires an > electron, > at great

Re: [Vo]:What was that?

2012-05-01 Thread David Roberson
This reminds me of something I saw a few years ago. I was driving down a mountain road when I noticed a round ball which appeared to be floating through the nearby trees on the passenger side of the car. It attracted my attention because it was red in color and sparkled much like a red laser

Re: [Vo]:The Future of LENR

2012-05-01 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:58 AM, wrote: So - if the results are correct, maybe we should expect neutrons are falling into shallow nuclear potential wells, forming short-lived > isotopes? > This is what I'm hoping for. In my mind it connects together so many pieces of the puzzle very nicely --

Re: [Vo]:What was that?

2012-05-01 Thread fznidarsic
I did not say it was a UFO. It looked more like a hot coal in the sky. This hot coal was taking a random walk. No high velocity motions or high accelerations were observed. It did not blink out, it dimmed out like an automotive dome light. When it came back on it was of another brightness.

Re: [Vo]:New York Times- Link to : Quantum Fusion - Brillouin

2012-05-01 Thread mixent
In reply to Alain Sepeda's message of Tue, 1 May 2012 16:20:36 +0200: Hi, [snip] >in fact they forgot to tell that the neutron is p^roduced the same > >so >p+e+energy->n +v >n+1H->2H+energy >p+e+energy-> n +v >n+2H->3H+energy >p+e+energy-> n +v >n+3H->4H+energy > >4H -> 4He + 2e+ + 2anti-v +Ener

Re: [Vo]:What was that?

2012-05-01 Thread Terry Blanton
Contact John Ventre: http://mufonpa.com/wp1/?page_id=583 T (former MUFON representative) On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:29 PM, wrote: > I saw something strange in the sky tonight over Johnstown PA.  It was a > light several times brighter than Venus.  It was far away and appered just a > little bigg

RE: [Vo]:The Future of LENR

2012-05-01 Thread pagnucco
Jones, I realize that I did not make clear in my earlier reply, that I am not advocating in any way for sonofusion. What I am looking for is any reasonable case in which LENR (likely) occurs without large local current flow on a metal surface. Some of the sonofusion papers suggest they inject a

Re: [Vo]:What was that?

2012-05-01 Thread de Bivort Lawrence
Sailors at see learn quickly that you cannot tell at night what the distance is to a solitary lightor, therefore, how bright it might be. On May 1, 2012, at 9:29 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: > I saw something strange in the sky tonight over Johnstown PA. It was a light > several times br

Re: [Vo]:What was that?

2012-05-01 Thread fznidarsic
Not at 70 degrees up and very bright brighter than the dim solar powered road sign ---Original Message- From: mixent To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 10:12 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:What was that? In reply to fznidar...@aol.com's message of Tue, 1 May 2012 21:29:26 -0400 (EDT): Hi Frank,

Re: [Vo]:What was that?

2012-05-01 Thread mixent
In reply to fznidar...@aol.com's message of Tue, 1 May 2012 21:29:26 -0400 (EDT): Hi Frank, [snip] Could it have been an inversion layer reflection of the road sign? Eventually disappearing when the inversion layer dissipated (or broke up)? > >I saw something strange in the sky tonight over John

[Vo]:What was that?

2012-05-01 Thread fznidarsic
I saw something strange in the sky tonight over Johnstown PA. It was a light several times brighter than Venus. It was far away and appered just a little bigger than point like. The diameter was bigger than a star. It was at an angle of 70 degrees up in the sky south of Johnstonwn PA USA.

[Vo]:Textbook electrodynamics may contradict relativity

2012-05-01 Thread Harry Veeder
--- Science magazine news report: "Textbook electrodynamics may contradict relativity" "Heated debate" foreseen on paper in press at Physical Review Letters. http://www.physicstoday.org/daily_edition/science_and_the_media/em_science_em_magazine_news_report_textbook_electrodynamics_may_con

Re: [Vo]:LENR detailitis

2012-05-01 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I responded, "anonymously," but it should be pretty obvious it was me I've been harping on the same theme for months now. At this point, we need more science and pure scientific investigation (controlled experiment), and, arguably, less attempt to scale up and "make it more reliable." Col

Re: [Vo]:The Future of LENR

2012-05-01 Thread Fang Sen
/Rejoice, Schrödinger's cat is alive and Chan has new thoughts: http://chan.host-ed.me /

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC What Hilbert asked von Neumann

2012-05-01 Thread Terry Blanton
Speaking of great quotes: Normal science does not aim at novelties of fact or theory and, when successful, finds none. Thomas Kuhn T

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC What Hilbert asked von Neumann

2012-05-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Another great quote from von Neumann: ". . . anyone who considers arithmetical methods of producing random digits is, of course, in a state of sin." - John von Neumann, “Various Techniques Used in Connection with Random Digits,” in A. S. Householder, ed., Monte Carlo Method, Proceedings of a Symp

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC What Hilbert asked von Neumann

2012-05-01 Thread Jones Beene
No doubt the hemline took two vectors to a scalar, which is linear in the second vector, and which is such that reversing the vectors is complex conjugation. From: Jed Rothwell G. Dyson writes in Turing's Cathedral that during the oral examination: ". . . David Hilbert was reported to h

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC What Hilbert asked von Neumann

2012-05-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Von Neumann published his first major paper at age 17, and then attended two universities at the same time, in Zurich and Budapest. The latter he attended for a week at the end of each term, to take the examinations. It seems almost as an afterthought that he got a PhD at age 23. G. Dyson writes i

Re: [Vo]:The Future of LENR

2012-05-01 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Axil, I do not think that it is 'delusional', but that  he is onto something which I tend to term 'dangerous' nuclear reaction. In some sense it is 'low energy', albeit those cavitation processes are probably more like hot fusion. But this is unclear. 'Delusional' it would be, if the effect w

Re: [Vo]:The Future of LENR

2012-05-01 Thread Axil Axil
*Most of LeClair's spiel is delusional.* So true… LeClair is not thinking straight. Because his process produces neutrons, LeClair wants to develop a hot fusion reactor from his process. This Idea is crazy. Neutron production must be avoided at all costs in LENR. Neutron production means dealin

RE: [Vo]:The Future of LENR

2012-05-01 Thread Jones Beene
Lou, This company has been the unquestioned leader in the sonofusion field for the past 13 years. http://www.impulsedevices.com/ Unlike Nanospire and Stringham, they have a top notch lab, PhDs, patents, real results, peer reviewed publications - and manufactured and sold a working prototype reac

Re: [Vo]:The Future of LENR

2012-05-01 Thread pagnucco
Thanks Eric, So - if the results are correct, maybe we should expect neutrons are falling into shallow nuclear potential wells, forming short-lived isotopes? I have no idea how credible the reported results are. It would be interesting to know how confident Miley is on the transmutation reports.

RE: [Vo]:The Future of LENR

2012-05-01 Thread pagnucco
Thanks, Jones, I agree all claims need to be viewed with skepticism until there is independent replication by competent, financially disinterested scientists. Possibly, most, or even all, results are due to measurement errors or misreporting - I really don't know. If Nanospire's or Stringham's c

Re: [Vo]:LENR detailitis

2012-05-01 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
...Sometimes reality is so strong that it can even change imagination. ... well said, my friend. Guenter Von: Peter Gluck An: CMNS ; VORTEX Gesendet: 16:45 Dienstag, 1.Mai 2012 Betreff: [Vo]:LENR detailitis My dear friends, I have sinned again, this tim

Re: [Vo]:New York Times- Link to : Quantum Fusion - Brillouin

2012-05-01 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
This is a mild version of Kurzweilian transhumanist singularitarianism. En par: When will war be completely be artificialized? When will Americans have affordable healthcare? When is the end of science? When will cockroaches dominate the earth? It's all about in 20 years time. I stick to Doug A

RE: [Vo]:New York Times- Link to : Quantum Fusion - Brillouin

2012-05-01 Thread Robert Leguillon
Before long, the New York Times will be but a room of servers. The editors will be relegated to choosing computer-generated stories from those "most recommended" for their target demographic. At least they'll have fewer typos. http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/04/can-an-algorithm-write-a-be

RE: [Vo]:New York Times- Link to : Quantum Fusion - Brillouin

2012-05-01 Thread Jones Beene
Bottom line: All the Godes/BEC are required to do - in order to silence the skeptics (and at the same time receive all the funding they can ever use) is to demonstrate conclusively the appearance of Helium in the ash. Due to the lower cost of helium leak analyzers (compared to full featured spec

Re: [Vo]:New York Times- Link to : Quantum Fusion - Brillouin

2012-05-01 Thread Alain Sepeda
in fact they forgot to tell that the neutron is p^roduced the same so p+e+energy->n +v n+1H->2H+energy p+e+energy-> n +v n+2H->3H+energy p+e+energy-> n +v n+3H->4H+energy 4H -> 4He + 2e+ + 2anti-v +Energy (this one is not classic, does somemone have reference on 4H disintegration branching). on

Re: [Vo]:New York Times- Link to : Quantum Fusion - Brillouin

2012-05-01 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Jones, Did You mean the Sharon Astyk/ Tom Whipple posts? I commented on Tom Whipple's blog. http://scienceblogs.com/casaubonsbook/2012/04/will_quantum_fusion_save_the_d.php The interesting aspect is, that two fringe-'realists' somehow seem to clash, or engage in a fruitful debate, as I hope. I.

RE: [Vo]:The Future of LENR

2012-05-01 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com > Nanospire report that the isotopes generated are short-lived. Assuming their measurements are accurate, why should this be? It can't be true. Lou, to be generous - most interested observers who have looked into these claims, consider L

RE: [Vo]:New York Times- Link to : Quantum Fusion - Brillouin

2012-05-01 Thread Jones Beene
From: Ron Kita Ah..here is the closest find. A link to a blog called: Quantum Fusion..a nice term: The blog link is 80% down the page on the right side: http://www.nytimes.com/pages/science/index.html

[Vo]:New York Times- Link to : Quantum Fusion - Brillouin

2012-05-01 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings All, Weekly I look at the on-line New York Times-Science Times section for some mention of LENR-CF. Ah..here is the closest find. A link to a blog called: Quantum Fusion..a nice term: The blog link is 80% down the page on the right side: http://www.nytimes.com/pages/science/index.ht