[Vo]:FYI: New Unified Theory, Dark Matter/Energy and Einstein's field equations

http://phys.org/news/2012-09-mathematicians-theory-dark-energy-einstein.html #nwlt Some interesting comments about this new theory: “… the law of energy and momentum conservation in spacetime is valid only when normal matter, dark matter and dark energy are all taken into account. For norma

[Vo]:Perpetual motion machine. New idea!

Hello, there was some discussion about this alleged perpetual motion machine. It was elegant, perhaps too elegant, and therefore it is probably a fake. *Evolution of perpetual motion* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqG-TL0WnjE The idea is however simple and understandable and I refuse to believe

Re: [Vo]:High temperature E-Cat - preliminary report published

I don't understand the conclusion. Was there a control device with the same electrical input and no active element? -Original Message- From: Robert Lynn To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Sep 8, 2012 9:37 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:High temperature E-Cat - preliminary report published http://www.e

Re: [Vo]:High temperature E-Cat - preliminary report published

Hmmm ... they calculate the convection term as 0-900W, so they just ignore it. (which gives a lower COP) I'm not sure if the convection would affect the wall temperature from bottom to top. Probably not by much.

Re: [Vo]:High temperature E-Cat - preliminary report published

Also http://kisi.deu.edu.tr/aytunc.erek/Proje2011/konu7.pdf ps -- These are both for the convection loss, of course. This second paper is for a cylinder temperature around 50C, not 800

Re: [Vo]:High temperature E-Cat - preliminary report published

> From: "Robert Lynn" > Just realised, if top of reactor was significantly cooler than bottom > then all power calculations would be bollocks. Were there checks done > on this and could the internals have allowed such an uneven heat > distribution? I don't trust their calorimetry. eg see http:

Re: [Vo]:High temperature E-Cat - preliminary report published

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > AR has obviously not been keeping up on Vortex nor the PDGTG web > sites. His explanations are about 3 months behind. If I ran PDGTG, I would be vetting my emps. T

Re: [Vo]:High temperature E-Cat - preliminary report published

AR has obviously not been keeping up on Vortex nor the PDGTG web sites. His explanations are about 3 months behind. T

Re: [Vo]:High temperature E-Cat - preliminary report published

Just realised, if top of reactor was significantly cooler than bottom then all power calculations would be bollocks. Were there checks done on this and could the internals have allowed such an uneven heat distribution?

Re: [Vo]:High temperature E-Cat - preliminary report published

http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/09/high-temperature-e-cat-report-published/ No glaring problems. Though for the life of me I can't work out where the reactor is in the arrangement - they detail the outer and inner tubes (which are not the reactors, their mass is consistent with dense 310 SS, inner

[Vo]:Some "Hot-Cat" documents at e-catworld

Scroll down: http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/09/high-temperature-e-cat-report-published/ Some of these seem formatted wrong. Could be this Chromebook does not display them right. This is a nifty computer but it has its limitations. Kind of a cross between an i-Pad and a laptop. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:High temperature E-Cat - preliminary report published

You can use various on-line charts like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_temperature to guess at the inside temperature, and this calculator http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/stefan.html to run various estimates of the heat radiation of the open end and of the rest of the black cy

Re: [Vo]:High temperature E-Cat - preliminary report published

Ha! I should have read the errata before I posted !!! They come to the same conclusions. Inner Cylinder Hypothesis • The inner cylinder hypothesis are wrong when it comes to radiation. • The inner cylinder will only radiate from the area of the cylinder opening At least it proves I'm awake !

Re: [Vo]:High temperature E-Cat - preliminary report published

> http://www.scribd.com/doc/105322688/Penon4-1 > http://www.scribd.com/doc/105325449/Hot-Cat-Data > http://www.scribd.com/doc/105326231/Corrections They assume that : > the energy radiated by the INNER cyclinder is identical to that of the OUTER. I think that a) They assume it's all radiative

Re: [Vo]:High temperature E-Cat - preliminary report published

On 2012-09-09 01:12, Jones Beene wrote: LOL. Now it appears that Rossi is trying to shoehorn 'cavitation' and 'Casimir' into the most current mix, to at least confuse things for his followers, if not leave them hanging in the wind. [...] Where, in the documents I linked? Cheers S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Compressed spring - what happens to the stored energy at different temperatures?

ahh thanks, because the first page of a google search for SMA lists spinal muscular atrophy and the initials of some organizations. harry On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > SMA = Shape memory alloy ... > > There are others which are not nickel titanium alloys > > http://en.wiki

RE: [Vo]:Compressed spring - what happens to the stored energy at different temperatures?

SMA = Shape memory alloy ... There are others which are not nickel titanium alloys http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape-memory_alloy -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder I would still like to know what SMA... means. harry

Re: [Vo]:Compressed spring - what happens to the stored energy at different temperatures?

I would still like to know what SMA... means. harry On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Harry may be setting you up for SMA...

RE: [Vo]:High temperature E-Cat - preliminary report published

LOL. Now it appears that Rossi is trying to shoehorn 'cavitation' and 'Casimir' into the most current mix, to at least confuse things for his followers, if not leave them hanging in the wind. These are two factors which AR has not mentioned before AFAIK. Is this latest lame effort of his to g

[Vo]:Nature publishes obituary for Martin Fleischmann

New Energy Times' blog has been updated to report that Nature has published an obituary for Martin Fleischmann. It costs $18 to get the whole text. At least they're consistent. http://blog.newenergytimes.com/ Jeff

[Vo]:High temperature E-Cat - preliminary report published

Hello group, This is via E-CatWorld [1]. Below are three separate documents which comprise the report that Andrea Rossi has authorized for release. The first document is the main report, the second is a data file from this report, and the third contains some corrections to the first report an

Re: [Vo]:Compressed spring - what happens to the stored energy at different temperatures?

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 1:03 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > On 8 September 2012 06:55, Harry Veeder wrote: >> >> When that system is submerged in the cold bath, the >> spring will become stiffer and this will translate into more pressure >> on the ends of the box, and therefore more potential energy.

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

All right, I stand corrected. Just one alien under the cover of being an ex-Navy Seal then. On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 1:30 PM, wrote: > ** > > I was wrong, just one bodyguard. > > the strong funny guy is FLAVIO FABIANI, a LEONARDO engineer. > > > > Am 08.09.2012 22:17, schrieb Andre Blum: > > One o

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

They're not Navy Seals, silly. They're aliens. The Navy Seals thing is just cover. On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Those aren't body guards, those are his Navy Seal "handlers" making > sure he does not escape or give out too much information. > > T > > ;-) > >

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

Link to report: http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/09/high-temperature-e-cat-report-published/ On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > It's over > > > 2012/9/8 Frank Acland > >> I will put up the report on E-Cat World as soon as this evening's >> presentation is over. >> >> >> On

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

It's over 2012/9/8 Frank Acland > I will put up the report on E-Cat World as soon as this evening's > presentation is over. > > > On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: > >> Initial report will be posted on ecat/Deutschland facebook (registration >> required): >> http://www.fa

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

correction: they were not doing own measurements and they currently hae three website, the third being: http://ecat-deutschland.org/ they are in a very early stage of getting organized Am 08.09.2012 19:10, schrieb h...@haikolietz.de: > the last session was much better. > > I learned th

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

I will put up the report on E-Cat World as soon as this evening's presentation is over. On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: > Initial report will be posted on ecat/Deutschland facebook (registration > required): > http://www.facebook.com/groups/356965204380137/ > > Presumably it

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

Initial report will be posted on ecat/Deutschland facebook (registration required): http://www.facebook.com/groups/356965204380137/ Presumably it will be on peswiki pretty soon. ps : He's on page 50 of his presentation .. must be past midnight in Zurich.

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

the last session was much better. I learned that there is a German ECAT group. they visited Rossi in Bologna, Rossi operated the device, they did measurements. they are in the process of developing business plans. one can contact them for info and cooperation. http://e-cat-deutschland.de/

[Vo]:Nitinol and the property of stiffness

Jouni equates the stiffening of the spring by the cold bath with the shape changing behaviour of nitinol. However, I think the stiffness of a wire is a property which is independent of the wire's shape. Consider two short lengths of _straight_ wire. One is made from copper and one is made from niti

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

No schedule respected dead live stream- I abstain from saying *Schweinerei von Schweiz* but it is ... Peter On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:11 PM, wrote: > ** > > they just announced that the stream is at another url: > http://www.ustream.tv/channel/z%C3%BCrich-09-2012-live > > but I think this is the

Re: [Vo]:picture: solder spring dipped in liquid nitrogen

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: > FYI > spring made from solder dipped in liquid nitrogen > http://members.mrtc.com/anvk/cryogenics/cryogenics.html#spring > > harry > btw, the picture shows how a solder spring is easily stretched by its own weight unless it is frozen. In othe

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

Haiko: Please give us a summary when they finish! Thanks for watching this. - Jed

[Vo]:Nitinol and the modulus of elasticity

(This is a resend with a correction. It seems the original message did not get through to vortex. In the original message and earlier messages I used the term _stiffness_ instead of the more accurate term _modulus of elasticity_.Stiffness depends on the shape of the material, but the modulus of el

[Vo]:Start with a niche market where you can charge a large premium

I agree with Jed's ideas. We may find @ low power levels any/all radiation/emissions are easily absorbed locally and at higher levels it requires more shielding, etc. Or that some reactants have "dirtier" emissions than others. It is pretty obvious to me the effect is real and appears to be scal

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

>From Rossi's presentation on the hotcat there is a 5.2kW unit with length 33 cm, outer diameter 9 cm, inner diameter 3 cm. 4kg of nickel. Steel casing. 5.2kW I derived from 6 month recharge cycle of 1 gm hydrogen yielding a total of 23MWh. These numbers were gleaned from the chat stream along

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

The takeaway message is that there is* a 4-month delivery for a heating system that has a lower levelized cost per thermal unit, including O&M, Fuel and 10 year straight line depreciation, than current natural gas price per thermal u

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

I was wrong, just one bodyguard. the strong funny guy is FLAVIO FABIANI, a LEONARDO engineer. Am 08.09.2012 22:17, schrieb Andre Blum: > One of the bodyguards seems to have read up in his free time, and was able to actually present something technical today. > I guess we jumped to conclusi

Re: [Vo]:Neal Stephenson audio interview for sci fi fans

On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 3:15 AM, Ruby wrote: > > Michael Silverblatt of Bookworm on KCRW Los Angeles speaks with sci fi > writer Neal Stephenson on writing, technology, and writing on technology. > > > http://www.kcrw.com/etc/programs/bw/bw120906neal_stephenson_some Thanks, Ruby. I happen to be r

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

Those aren't body guards, those are his Navy Seal "handlers" making sure he does not escape or give out too much information. T ;-)

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

Rossi is on now http://www.ustream.tv/channel/z%C3%BCrich-09-2012-live Audio varies ... (Augmented by some info on a chat panel). Ceramic cylinder 33cm x 9cm x 3cm diameter, embedded (?) resistors I'm not even going to try to transcribe it!

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

One of the bodyguards seems to have read up in his free time, and was able to actually present something technical today. I guess we jumped to conclusions there. Apart from that: this all seems good news. Indeed, as Uta Stechl leaked, there is a validation report by SGS. Andre On 09/08/2012

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

Haha! Rossi presented the leaked photo of the hot cat in his presentation! That's surely a way to give confidence to his invention! Jed will surely find this hilarious! -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

[Vo]:picture: solder spring dipped in liquid nitrogen

FYI spring made from solder dipped in liquid nitrogen http://members.mrtc.com/anvk/cryogenics/cryogenics.html#spring harry

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

they just announced that the stream is at another url: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/z%C3%BCrich-09-2012-live but I think this is the old one. Am 08.09.2012 17:07, schrieb James Bowery: > Looks like its back live now. > > On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 10:04 AM, James Bowery wrote: > >> It went

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

Rossi is joined by three managers from PROMETEON srl, the branch for the Italian market. They only answer quesions by email. Many engineers and companies here, most of which have been following things for only about a year. They don't care if it's explainable. If it workd they will build stirl

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

Looks like its back live now. On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 10:04 AM, James Bowery wrote: > It went off the air for a coffee break at 4:30 Zurich time however it has > not come back on the air yet at as of a few minutes into the next > presentation. > > > On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Jed Rothwell wr

Re: [Vo]:Start with a niche market where you can charge a large premium

Let me describe the sort of Edisonian safety testing I have in mind. There are indications that Ni-H cells produce a burst of radiation when they first turn on. We need to test for that. Assume the following: * We can make thousands of prototype devices the size of an AA battery, without about th

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

It went off the air for a coffee break at 4:30 Zurich time however it has not come back on the air yet at as of a few minutes into the next presentation. On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Patrick Ellul wrote > > Rossi just joined and came into the picture, accompanied by two

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

the body guards are wearing bullet proof vests. and at least one of them is armed. the conference so far is of such absurdity - speculation, private anecdotes, conspiracy theory - that, if I was Rossi, I would wish I had chosen some other place to say what I want to say. Haiko Am 08.09.201

RE: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

looks to me like Rossi is setting in the lower right hand corner of the screen. In front of what I believe is Rossi s Stirling Allan. Allan occasionally turns around and converses with Rossi. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/z%C3%BCrich-09-2012-live Yup, that 's Rossi alright. Just got a good

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

Patrick Ellul wrote Rossi just joined and came into the picture, accompanied by two massive > bodyguards. That's astounding. I wish I had the movie rights to Rossi. He never ceases to amaze. I cannot link to this at all, for some reason. After it finishes, I hope that someone here takes the tr

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

it seems he says nothing new in some mixed language I understand German but very bad audio peter On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Arnaud Kodeck wrote: > Audio has a very bad quality. Moreover it’s Germenglish, poor French, > Italian and German. > > ** ** > > Impressive 2 bodyguards … is he re

RE: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

Program of the congress can be found @ http://www.borderlands.de/Links/Kongress080912M-e.pdf Arnaud

RE: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

Audio has a very bad quality. Moreover it's Germenglish, poor French, Italian and German. Impressive 2 bodyguards . is he received some treats ? Arnaud _ From: Patrick Ellul [mailto:ellulpatr...@gmail.com] Sent: samedi 8 septembre 2012 14:51 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

yes, but not the best quality. On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Peter Gluck wrote: > Patrick, do you have AUDIO? > Peter > > > On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Patrick Ellul wrote: > >> Rossi just joined and came into the picture, accompanied by two massive >> bodyguards. >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 8,

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

Patrick, do you have AUDIO? Peter On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Patrick Ellul wrote: > Rossi just joined and came into the picture, accompanied by two massive > bodyguards. > > > On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Patrick Ellul wrote: > >> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/z%C3%BCrich-09-2012-live >>

Re: [Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

Rossi just joined and came into the picture, accompanied by two massive bodyguards. On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Patrick Ellul wrote: > http://www.ustream.tv/channel/z%C3%BCrich-09-2012-live > > Regards, > > -- > Patrick > > www.tRacePerfect.com > The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not e

[Vo]:Link to live stream from E-cat convention

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/z%C3%BCrich-09-2012-live Regards, -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!

[Vo]:Neal Stephenson audio interview for sci fi fans

Michael Silverblatt of Bookworm on KCRW Los Angeles speaks with sci fi writer Neal Stephenson on writing, technology, and writing on technology. http://www.kcrw.com/etc/programs/bw/bw120906neal_stephenson_some -- Ruby Carat r...@coldfusionnow.org Skype ruby-