On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:29 PM, John Berry wrote:
But it might be scientific, if scientific does not mean logical and
> truthful.
>
> But when I say scientific, I mean logical and truthful.
>
What science is is something that smart people have spent their entire
careers trying to characterize.
Eric, you bring up an interesting point.
What is science anyway?
I guess it could mean different things to different people.
For some it might be about certain rules, the status quo, a belief system,
a hierarchy, certain methods and prejudices, and dogma not unlike a
religion.
Not something tha
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:03 PM, John Berry wrote:
>
> You could argue that nothing really proves anything.
>> Even atoms are still just considered a theory, sure a popular one with
>> tons of evidence.
>>
>
> Yes, good point. When it comes
On 4/19/2013 10:03 PM, John Berry wrote:
> So what evidence exists for there not being an entrained aether?
> None.
Hi. I'm new here. Hello! Howdy.
Today is the first day I've heard of "entrained aether". My naive
questions are:
1. How much mass does it take to entrain aether?
2. Does the en
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:03 PM, John Berry wrote:
You could argue that nothing really proves anything.
> Even atoms are still just considered a theory, sure a popular one with
> tons of evidence.
>
Yes, good point. When it comes down to it, nobody has seen an atom. It's
all inference.
> At
Please read this entire email, but if you don't, just read this:
*So what evidence exists for there not being an entrained aether?*
*None.*
You could argue that nothing really proves anything.
Even atoms are still just considered a theory, sure a popular one with tons
of evidence.
Atoms are of c
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Alexander Hollins <
alexander.holl...@gmail.com> wrote:
I do feel a minor vibration in my right palm when holding both hands to teh
> monitor. I KINDA feel what i could describe as a sucking feeling on my
> left, it is too minor to differentiate from placebo to m
I suppose an alternative hypothesis would be that these particular diseases
are psychosomatic.
- Jed
This is obviously a complex issue.
But I think that strong belief as with hypnosis and other suggestions can't
be discounted (faith healers).
There are people who have apparently died from being made to think they
they were having blood drain from their bodies.
And if someone goes into surgery wit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orr_(Catch-22)
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
>
>> How long will it be before we can see the entire action live from a
>> satellite in real time?
>
> I am indeed a wacko like Orr, but you s
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
> How long will it be before we can see the entire action live from a
> satellite in real time?
I am indeed a wacko like Orr, but you should fly with me:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg78280.html
If the studies I read are correct, this indicates the disease they are
trying to cure with this particular drug usually goes away on its own. The
"placebo effect" is not getting stronger. They happen to be treating a
disease in a group of people where nature usually does a better job than
medical s
Harry Veeder wrote:
> That is, an effect in which a prognosis improves because the patients
>> think they are being treated when they are actually taking by fake medicine
>> (something with no efficacy). One hypothesis is that people respond well
>> because they think the doctor cares for them o
James Bowery wrote:
Well placebo effect is one thing when we're talking about physical maladies
> and quite another when we're talking about subjective impressions, as was
> the topic.
>
True. That's why I started another thread. I meant placebo in the medical
sense. But in other studies you hav
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> James Bowery wrote:
>
>
>> The null hypothesis upon which to base the control experiment: Even
>> though a placebo effect may be present and in fact much larger . . .
>>
>
> This is drifting off topic, so let me rename the header.
>
> I do
In reply to David Roberson's message of Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:18:08 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
>Does anyone know how a free electron in space can absorb a photon of moderate
>energy? I was thinking of the interaction between a light photon and a free
>electron when it occurred to me that it might be
Actually, it does say that: One estimated that the so-called effect size (a
measure of statistical significance) in placebo groups had nearly doubled
over that time.
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 1:18 PM, John Berry wrote:
> I said that the placebo effect had about doubled in effectiveness over
> what
I said that the placebo effect had about doubled in effectiveness over what
it had been.
Someone asked for the source.
I am sure a better search of google will turn up more info on that, but
here is an article about it getting more effective without (I think)
mentioning a doubling:
http://www.wire
The CIA (or it's predecessor) had apparent genuine interest in the ideas
from Get Smart (as crazy as that sound).
I can't help but wonder if the TV Program Person of Interest is causing
similar but more secretive interest.
Of course the TV program could be a fictional disclosure of something real,
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=67+franklin+st+watertown+mass&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hn
ear=0x89e378195bfc6943:0x45ca5a08ed9dc5fe,67+Franklin+St,+Watertown,+MA+0247
2&gl=us&ei=8N1xUZjhLsmw2QXZw4A4&ved=0CDQQ8gEwAA
Someone posted the google satellite view - of the address of where the
suspect was hiding in a b
>
> Do you have any idea whether the inactive one would frequently be made
> active by variations in display setttings?
Not very likely.
There are various difficulties, not that it should stop you but you should
be aware of them.
Aetheric energy can couple over large distances, additionally it
Mark, I have made a new one especially for you.
Now this image deals heavily with colour so it may not work if your monitor
or videocard is at fault.
Feel about 1.5 to 2 feet away from the image, this will make it easier to
tell the sensation apart from the monitor and will give the image more
sp
Well placebo effect is one thing when we're talking about physical maladies
and quite another when we're talking about subjective impressions, as was
the topic.
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> James Bowery wrote:
>
>
>> The null hypothesis upon which to base the control
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 6:02 PM, John Berry wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 2:57 AM, James Bowery wrote:
>>
>> So, let me ask you again for an acceptable control experiment but in
>> different terms:
>>
>> What sort of picture does your theory predict will be very similar to the
>> experime
James Bowery wrote:
> The null hypothesis upon which to base the control experiment: Even
> though a placebo effect may be present and in fact much larger . . .
>
This is drifting off topic, so let me rename the header.
I do not think the placebo effect exists. I read several papers years ago
I find it intriguing that they didn't cite Radin's paper:
http://www.boundaryinstitute.org/bi/articles/rngma.pdf
that explicitly addresses publication bias aka the "file drawer problem" in
meta analysis -- and that was despite referencing several of Radin's other
papers both before and after.
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 2:57 AM, James Bowery wrote:
>
> So, let me ask you again for an acceptable control experiment but in
> different terms:
>
> What sort of picture does your theory predict will be very similar to the
> experimental treatment picture, but lack the essential aspects that produ
This paper uses a meta analysis of all the evidence and concludes that any
evidence for psychokinesis can be explained as publication bias. Should the
conclusion be taken seriously?
Similar arguments have been used to prove that PF effect is not real,
i.e include all the failed attempts to reproduc
Yes, printed works.
Although differently in many ways, good lighting helps as does a decent
printer, additionally I am sure some images are all too subtle in their use
of colours for printing to work well.
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 9:29 AM, leaking pen wrote:
> have you tried printing it out?
>
>
This has been disclosed in the thread: Re: [Vo]:Any experimenters, aether
theorists here?
Short version: After 18-19 years of researching the aether (which is a
gas/fluidic substance that makes up everything) I have found that
Terrahertz EM fields (AKA visible light) can effect (structure) the aet
have you tried printing it out?
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:20 PM, John Berry wrote:
> All should work, but it does make a difference.
> LED/LCD seems best, I have not yet tried it on a CRT.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 1:56 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 5:05 AM, John Be
All should work, but it does make a difference.
LED/LCD seems best, I have not yet tried it on a CRT.
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 1:56 AM, Terry Blanton wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 5:05 AM, John Berry
> wrote:
> > To the RIGHT side of your monitor.
>
> Does it matter if your monitor is a CRT,
Thanks for giving it a try.
And thanks for reporting back.
I have had some people who have been unable to feel anything for an
extended number of tries, but still felt it eventually, or occasionally
(comes and goes).
I don't expect you to be so persistent as that.
John
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 1
> From: "David Roberson"
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:53:22 AM
> How would the nickel/hydrogen mixture be at a lower temperature than
> the region that completely surrounds it? Heat would travel toward
> the cooler center until it was in equilibrium.
>
>
> Dave
In between the two there'
Steorn might have relevant in 2007 when that video was made. Since then they
failed to deliver any working devices, disbanded their validation jury and fan
club, and dumped the Orbo tech in order to pursue overunity water heaters. At
this point only Sterling Allan takes them seriously.
Logic su
On Fri 4/19 Alex said [snip] I continue to have a difficult time accepting the
concept that there is one special velocity to use as a reference.[/snip].
Alex,
That is not what I am saying, in fact the velocities are so
different below the Planck scale we have wormholes forming to rel
> From: "Jed Rothwell"
> Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 9:08:35 AM
> Someone informed me that the ISCMNS article at Wikipedia is up for
> deletion:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Society_for_Condensed_Matter_Nuclear_Science
>
> I did not know there is an article on this. I con
I think you should also do a version where "passive" images are printed
paper and kept in sealed envelopes.
A video image is an "active" image in the sense that it requires an
electrical power source to be present. As a result a video image might
channel or focus EM fields and radiation in such a w
You do a double blind trial by automating the process and covering the
screen.
Program a computer to randomly display one of your images or a blank
screen every minute of so. The computer will keep a record of what was
displayed during each time interval.
During the interval test subjects will rep
I do feel a minor vibration in my right palm when holding both hands to teh
monitor. I KINDA feel what i could describe as a sucking feeling on my
left, it is too minor to differentiate from placebo to me, but the
vibration was an effect of muscles i could see on the skin, so a positive
effect of
I apologize, I just started reading these posts.
That is an interesting idea, but I continue to have a difficult time
accepting the concept that there is one special velocity to use as a
reference.
Really? I'm going to have to delve into this, because my primary issue with
relativity and physics
John
Ok, I didn't read the email discussing the approach to the test. Makes some
sense. I was one of those waving my hand up and down 3 inches from the side of
the monitor, LOL. I'll try a few things at home this weekend where my
co-workers wont think I'm completely nuts! By the way, LENR, Vort
umm... what? I'm missing something. A drawing is supposed to be generating
an energy flow?
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:00 AM, John Berry wrote:
> http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4113/shooterv6.png
>
> Place your palm to the side of your monitor with palm facing edge of the
> monitor.
>
> Anot
John
Left side of the monitor for the energy flow, correct? That's where I got the
sensation. Warm on the left, cool on the right. I agree that there is
allegorical information to suggest that Aether does respond to the mind. Look
at the Orgone research, and M-State materials. All fringe stuff,
The previous post on copper-hydride lasing was unclear.
The suggestion is that there is a remote possibility that Rossi could be
achieving internal photon coherency from copper hydride vapor. He would want
the coherency and not the beam. The photon coherency inside the reactor
would then be rela
You've got a hypothesis: A specific configuration, presented as treatment
of experimental subjects, produces an effect -- even if only an enhancement
of the placebo effect.
The null hypothesis upon which to base the control experiment: Even though
a placebo effect may be present and in fact much
Or is the copper vapour forming a catalytic layer on the Nickel to have
Hydrogen absorbed faster
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Teslaalset wrote:
> So, this is why Rossi claimed to have nickel converted into copper and
> recently says this is not the case anymore. Je probably does not
I had multiple orgasms that lasted 2 hours.
2013/4/19 Terry Blanton
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 5:05 AM, John Berry
> wrote:
> > To the RIGHT side of your monitor.
>
> Does it matter if your monitor is a CRT, LED or LCD?
>
>
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
So, this is why Rossi claimed to have nickel converted into copper and
recently says this is not the case anymore. Je probably does not use copper
tubes anymore for holding the nickel.
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
> Hmm... this may be the first time that the particular de
Jones Beene wrote:
> Rothwell has been saying for some time that the underneath the clown
> costume, Rossi is a brilliant inventor and that the is method in his
> madness.
>
To clarify, that is what people who have worked with him tell me. He does
have a solid track record in catalysis-related
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 5:05 AM, John Berry wrote:
> To the RIGHT side of your monitor.
Does it matter if your monitor is a CRT, LED or LCD?
Hmm... this may be the first time that the particular detail about copper
metal vapor has come up, but it raises the issue (if Rossi could be
believed) ... about copper vapor and an internal laser.
It could be inadvertent lasing but providing a window in his reactor could
indicate that it is also
Have tried every image you posted and feel nothing besides the heat
from the monitor's backlight.
In hope,
Mark Jordan
On 19/4/2013 09:51, John Berry wrote:
BTW an added interesting detail.
I am finding that my hand can deflect the energy making there little
to feel.
So to fee
BTW an added interesting detail.
I am finding that my hand can deflect the energy making there little to
feel.
So to feel it, one should have your hand a few feet away from the screen
inline with the assumed output and bring it in closer.
Just waving it up and down close to the right side of the
LOL – Copper is incredibly mobile with a vapour pressure several orders of
magnitude higher then Nickel at the same temperature. Even at 950C the copper
vapour is spreading is spreading copper everywhere… almost as annoying as all
the inconsistencies in Rossi’s patent.
From: David Roberson [mai
To the RIGHT side of your monitor.
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:00 PM, John Berry wrote:
> http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4113/shooterv6.png
>
> Place your palm to the side of your monitor with palm facing edge of the
> monitor.
>
> Another person from the list has emailed me privately to say t
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4113/shooterv6.png
Place your palm to the side of your monitor with palm facing edge of the
monitor.
Another person from the list has emailed me privately to say they felt
something very subtle in their hand inline with the horizontal line running
through an ear
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