Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Alan Fletcher
Wow! A total of TWENTY events! Implosion velocity within 5% of ignition. *AT* 5% of ignition

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Alan Fletcher
Wow! A total of TWENTY events! Implosion velocity within 5% of ignition. *AT* 5% of ignition In should concentrate more. It was WITHIN not AT

[Vo]:OT- Google.com and Roswell Day Anniversary---FUN

2013-07-08 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex, http://google.com and their very interactive webpage is great fun to navigate. By clicking your cursor you should get: a Lasso as well as a radioactive gas can ( Aliens are pre-LENR). A fun way to waste a few minutes on a Monday Morning. Ron Kita, Chiralex Doylestown PA

Re: [Vo]:OT- Google.com and Roswell Day Anniversary---FUN

2013-07-08 Thread Terry Blanton
One solution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=9iU4NHAeRWE But there are more than the single solution. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Vortex, http://google.com and their very interactive webpage is great fun to

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Edmund Storms
Eric, ion bombardment has a rich literature containing 90 references in my library. You need to read this before speculation is useful. Ion bombardment can produce either hot fusion and/or cold fusion, depending on the conditions and applied energy. Low energy favors cold fusion if the NAE

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Eric, ion bombardment has a rich literature containing 90 references in my library. You need to read this before speculation is useful. Ion bombardment can produce either hot fusion and/or cold fusion, depending on the conditions and applied energy.

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

2013-07-08 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Well, it looks like this bet thingie isn't going anywhere. No one is signing up to be the intermediary, and the Impact Factor lacks openness. On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: So far I can't get a handle on what Impact Factor really is. Reuters

Re: [Vo]:OT- Google.com and Roswell Day Anniversary---FUN

2013-07-08 Thread Ron Kita
Thanks Terry: Note: Alien drinks Radioactive fuel then pee-s on vine. then vine GROWS. Sounds technically correct. Grins, Ron On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: One solution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=9iU4NHAeRWE But

[Vo]:Grasshopper flight

2013-07-08 Thread a.ashfield
Video of the grasshopper rising to altitude and descending again to the launch pad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=eGimzB5QM1M

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

2013-07-08 Thread Edmund Storms
Yes, I also would like to know when we can consider cold fusion to be accepted. Three kinds of events seem to be relevant. 1. Reviewers allow papers to be published in Science, Nature and Scientific American. 2. Large amounts of investment money becomes available so that finding enough

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Edmund Storms
I'm glad to see a paper by Mizuno. But this paper raises an interesting question, Are nanoparticles the NAE? I personally believe nanoparticles alone are inert. However, particles of a critical size are the HOST for the NAE. In other words, the nano-gap I propose to be the NAE grows in a

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Axil Axil
*How to build a nano-cavity* http://nanophotonics.csic.es/static/publications/pdfs/paper203.pdf Organized Plasmonic Clusters with High Coordination Number and Extraordinary Enhancement in Surface-Enhanced Raman Scattering (SERS) To illustrate a pivotal principle from Nano-engineering that bears

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Axil Axil
Here is more... Fano resonance between nano-particles produce whispering gallery waves between nano-particles. This was discovered only three years ago. The Nanoplasmonic research community has not optimized the formation of Fano resonance to any degree yet. They have only gotten it up to 10^^15

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

2013-07-08 Thread Alain Sepeda
Maybe we could add 4- Reputable/rational organization use LENR practically. but probably all will happen in a matter of month, with 1 being the last. I think also about a 3bis : China launching a great LENR investment... maybe they won't phase out anything, just be control the technology, and

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

2013-07-08 Thread blaze spinnaker
Well, I think everyone accepts some form of cold fusion. I don't see that in doubt at all. What's in doubt is that Rossi has created an eCat with an absurdly high (and seemingly controllable) COP that is relying on cold fusion / LENR. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Edmund Storms

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

2013-07-08 Thread Edmund Storms
The journal reviewers to not accept the concept. The DOE does not accept the concept. Most physicists do not accept the concept. As for Rossi, his claims are totally consistent with how such an energy source will behave based on simple engineering analysis. He could not make up behavior

RE: [Vo]:OT- Google.com and Roswell Day Anniversary---FUN

2013-07-08 Thread Jones Beene
From: Ron Kita ( Aliens are pre-LENR). A fun way to waste a few minutes on a Monday Morning. Indeed it is. Here is something else to throw into the idea-blender for a jolly old Roswell Day + 66 tribute (which is six solar cycles, if that means anything to you). Executive summary: they

[Vo]:NAVY LENR Patent Granted – Transmutes Radioactive Waste]

2013-07-08 Thread pagnucco
From Coldfusionnow.org -- NAVY LENR Patent Granted – Transmutes Radioactive Waste http://coldfusionnow.org/navy-lenr-patent-granted-transmutes-radioactive-waste/ EXCERPT: Examples of the types of particles generated and detected may include, but are not limited to: alpha particles, beta

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Ed, I don't understand why you are so reluctant to consider the gap between nanoparticles as capable of supporting NAE. The geometry is essentially the inverse of a skeletal catalyst- I am more likely to believe the particles are inert and solid - only the geometry formed

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

2013-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I think everyone accepts some form of cold fusion. I don't see that in doubt at all. I agree with Ed. Very very people accept any form of cold fusion. Most scientists and decision makers know nothing at all about cold fusion. Most of them

Re: [Vo]:Grasshopper flight

2013-07-08 Thread Terry Blanton
Now that's what I'm talkin' about. That's the way rockets *are supposed* to take off and land. Like in the SciFi classics of the 50's.

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

2013-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: What's in doubt is that Rossi has created an eCat with an absurdly high (and seemingly controllable) COP that is relying on cold fusion / LENR. In what sense is the COP absurdly high? Many devices have no input at all, with an infinite COP.

Re: [Vo]:OT- Google.com and Roswell Day Anniversary---FUN

2013-07-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: There is no good forensic evidence for physical visitation but there should be, if it were true. Heck, we can even tell what Otzi the ice-man had for his last meal 5,300 years ago but not a single bit of alien DNA has turned

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Axil Axil
The one advantage that knowledge gained from nanoplasmonics offers is that such knowledge can be trusted as experimentally validated. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: Ed, I don’t understand why you are so reluctant to

Re: [Vo]:Anyone willing to make a bet the eCat is not real?

2013-07-08 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Ed. Very very people accept any form of cold fusion. Most scientists and decision makers know nothing at all about cold fusion. I disagree. I work with a large number of professionals and everyone around

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Edmund Storms
Fran, the gap between nano-particles is arbitrary, undefined, and generally too big to achieve what I think is required. In addition, CF occurs in the absence of nano-particles. Therefore, their presence is not required. We agree that a gap is required. The only difference is in how the

RE: [Vo]:OT- Google.com and Roswell Day Anniversary---FUN

2013-07-08 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Dear Mr. Beene, et.al.: The 'knowledge filter' which has polluted the scientific process has been around since the beginning of that process. after all, we are only 'human'. There is extensive evidence in the field of archaeology, some of which being described in the book, Forbidden

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Axil Axil
*“generally too big to achieve what I think is required”* This is a false assumption not supported by experimental observation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opTbxZwUisg Because of electrostatic surface forces inherent in all types of nanoparticles, nanoparticle attracts each other. When

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:NAVY LENR Patent Granted – Transmutes Radioactive Waste]

2013-07-08 Thread Axil Axil
I believe that what is being produced on the surface of material are not ultra-cold neutrons but quasiparticles called skyrmions.

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I'm glad to see a paper by Mizuno. But this paper raises an interesting question, Are nanoparticles the NAE? I am sure they are the location of the NAE. The effect does not happen without the particles. I personally believe nanoparticles alone

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Axil Axil
Here is a movie of two nanoparticles touching. Notice the space above the point of contract is topologically identical to a crack on the surface of a material. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK58AnokWl4 On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *“generally too big to

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Axil Axil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiEEfUXcRvAlist=PLA93BDCCCAE8FC3F2 Formation of a NAE through electromigration. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Here is a movie of two nanoparticles touching. Notice the space above the point of contract is topologically

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Edmund Storms
Axil, I know you are incapable of discussing or even believing what I suggest, but I see no indication in the movie you provided that the contact between particles is topologically identical to a crack on the surface of a material. Have you ever seen a crack, examined surfaces, or even

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Axil Axil
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0708/0708.0876.pdf *Plasmons in nearly touching metallic nanoparticles: singular response in the limit of touching dimers* * * The response of gold nanoparticle dimers is studied theoretically near and beyond the limit where the particles are touching. As

[Vo]:Skeptics still out in force in the mass media

2013-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
If you doubt that skeptics still dominate mass media discussions of cold fusion, see the comment section following this article about global warming. See the comment I posted, and the responses to it:

RE: [Vo]:OT- Google.com and Roswell Day Anniversary---FUN

2013-07-08 Thread Jones Beene
From: Terry Blanton http://www.starchildproject.com/ Terry - This is not very convincing to me, even if it were not an Anniversary occasion - simply because it still assumes too much - including for starters that good old DNA is the only (or even the best) way to code for life. In

RE: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Frank roarty
Ed, Please consider Axil's movie from a 3d bulk perspective.. which is where I believe his argument was headed, the single point of contact becomes multipoint to many particles all self attracting into a bulk form. essentially a rigid if not solid conductor with open voids.. I do

RE: [Vo]:Skeptics still out in force in the mass media

2013-07-08 Thread Charles Francis
Jed In the comments you wrote: Also the effects are not weak. Heat has been detected at 100 W with no input by Toyota and others, lasting up to 3 months continuously, and tritium has been measured at 10E18 times background. I've read at least one Toyota LENR paper, but can't recall the

Re: [Vo]:Skeptics still out in force in the mass media

2013-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Charles Francis fran...@datacomm.ch wrote: I’ve read at least one Toyota LENR paper, but can’t recall the power measurements you quote. I’d appreciate a link if available. I may have exaggerated but they'll never check! See: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RouletteTresultsofi.pdf I will talk

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Edmund Storms
Of course, Fran, you are correct. But this is irrelevant in the real world. When two nano-particles touch, they immediately fuse and start to grow a bigger particle. This is a common and well understood behavior. We are not free to ignore what actually happens in Nature. Of course, pores

Re: [Vo]:Skeptics still out in force in the mass media

2013-07-08 Thread blazespinnaker
On 2013-07-08, at 3:19 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I may have exaggerated but they'll never check! Face palm

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Axil Axil
*“pores can be trapped in the growing structure but these are generally large and eventually disappear”* Whenever a heat or electric pulse is periodically applied to reinvigorate a LENR reaction in a cycle, one of its consequences is to disrupt this aggregation of nanoparticles, to reform these

Re: [Vo]:Skeptics still out in force in the mass media

2013-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: I may have exaggerated but they'll never check! Face palm Oh come now. I wasn't that inaccurate. Read the paper. The reaction lasted 158 days but most of the heat was over a 30-day period. There is no point to explaining that kind of detail to people who

RE: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Ed wrote: Fran, the gap between nano-particles is arbitrary, undefined, and generally too big to achieve what I think is required. and this. I believe a gap formed by stress relief is more general in its formation and has properties that I believe are important, that a gap between arbitrary

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:OT- Google.com and Roswell Day Anniversary---FUN

2013-07-08 Thread hohlr...@gmail.com
Yeah, I agree, but Pye has spent a fortune trying to prove otherwise. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:OT- Google.com and Roswell Day Anniversary---FUN Date: Mon, Jul 8, 2013 5:52

[Vo]:Interview with Professor Bo Höistad regarding eCat report

2013-07-08 Thread blaze spinnaker
With compliments to RenzoB for the corrections to Google Translate. http://it.ibtimes.com/articles/52396/20130708/fusione-fredda-gravi-critiche-test-indipendenti-intervista-bo-hoistad.htm There is no peace for Andrea Rossi and his E-Cat. The publication of the now famous independent third

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Edmund Storms
Mark, I'm not discussing what nanotech can achieve. I'm describing what Nature achieves in the various conditions known to produce CF. Later, once the NAE is properly identified, it will be made using nanotech. Meanwhile, we need to identify what actually needs to be made, not what someone

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Interview with Professor Bo Höistad regarding eCat report

2013-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Thanks for posting this. If Ericsson and Pomp are the best thing the skeptics can come up with, Levi et al. are sitting pretty. It's over. This is like the evolution debate between Huxley and Soapy Sam Wilberforce, or Fleischmann versus Morrison:

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Axil Axil
AI have oftentimes repeated, all experimental references come from Nanoplasmonics and the references presented as fully supported by experimentation. The only unknown is the detailed mechanism of the nuclear transmutation process.. And even in this, the speculated mechanism is based on the latest

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:NAVY LENR Patent Granted – Transmutes Radioactive Waste]

2013-07-08 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:40 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Assuming the LENR claims are correct, does anyone know how much more economical LENR approaches are at generating cold neutrons? From the experiments I've seen so far in my reading, there are two typtes of neutron emissions --

[Vo]:John O'M Bockris dies

2013-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
I regret to announce that John O'M Bockis died on July 7, 2013 after a brief illness. He was hospitalized last week. He stayed alert and in good spirits, and was able to say goodbye to his friends and relatives. Here is a message from his assistant Trish Schulz: Dr. B has has some impact on all

[Vo]:Interview with Professor Bo Hoistad regarding eCat report - please respond here

2013-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
This thread title had a character that is not part of the U.S. ASCII system: ö The thread will run amok with multiple appearances. Please respond to this message if you wish to comment on it. - Jed

RE: [Vo]:John O'M Bockris dies

2013-07-08 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Oh No. not another true scientist. Infuriating does not describe the feeling that many who risked their careers will not be there to see this succeed and share in what they helped keep it alive when the multitudes tried to 'pill the plug' prematurely. -Mark Iverson From: Jed

Re: [Vo]:Interview with Professor Bo Hoistad regarding eCat report - please respond here

2013-07-08 Thread blaze spinnaker
Ah, good to know. Its good to see a full-throated defense from the co-authors. Between this and the Pekka patent, very encouraging. I'd still give odds the ecat doesn't exist, though. Maybe 3 to 1 and I'd take 10 to 1 On Monday, July 8, 2013, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: This

Re: [Vo]:Interview with Professor Bo Hoistad regarding eCat report - please respond here

2013-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Between this and the Pekka patent, very encouraging. I'd still give odds the ecat doesn't exist, though. Maybe 3 to 1 and I'd take 10 to 1 On WHAT basis?!? That's irrational. You do not have a scintilla of technical evidence that the claims are

Re: [Vo]:Interview with Professor Bo Hoistad regarding eCat report - please respond here

2013-07-08 Thread blaze spinnaker
*On WHAT basis?!? That's irrational. You do not have a scintilla of technical evidence that the claims are wrong. The skeptics have not come up with a single reason to doubt these results.* On the basis that I could arbitrage such a bet 10 ways to sunday. The world markets have not priced in

Re: [Vo]:Interview with Professor Bo Hoistad regarding eCat report - please respond here

2013-07-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: On the basis that I could arbitrage such a bet 10 ways to sunday. The world markets have not priced in something like the eCat on the horizon.. Perhaps I misunderstand. I don't know betting jargon. Are you saying that if the thing does exist,

Re: [Vo]:Interview with Professor Bo Hoistad regarding eCat report - please respond here

2013-07-08 Thread blaze spinnaker
It means if it exists, I get paid $10 for every $1 I bet. The implied probability is 1/(11) or ~9%. It it doesn't, I pay out 3 to 1 with an implied probability of 25% Usually people will average that spread out to get my real probability (assuming I risk the same amounts). That comes to

RE: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Ed: You've analyzed all the LENR data way more than I, and I certainly hope you are able to persuade some of the experimentalists to heed your advice on how best to proceed. however, even if ALL future experiments heeded your advice, I still think the repeatability and COP will not be much

Re: [Vo]:Interesting paper from nature about successful cold fusion experiment

2013-07-08 Thread Axil Axil
*I think we can agree that there is a particular geometry or size which is conducive to LENR; * I hold hope that such a thing is possible and can be found. I point to the polariton laser as a well conceived example of purpose build nano-engineering. If a long lived polariton laser can be