Re: [Vo]:Is lenr just a more efficient muon catalyzed fusion process ?

2013-07-12 Thread David ledin
Apparently lenr is combination of Pyroelectric_fusion process and Rydberg matter result is a more efficient muon catalyzed fusion process . On 7/12/13, David ledin wrote: > Muon-catalysed fusion by microwave ionization of a Rydberg atom. > > http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0811/0811.4038.pd

[Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread Axil Axil
https://www.google.com/patents/US8419919?dq=11/859,499&hl=en&sa=X&ei=A5rfUe70HMen4AO3yIFw&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA This U.S. Navy patent transmutes radioactive elements into less harmful elements through a benign low energy nuclear reaction process. The patent was granted April 16, 2013 for a device and

Re: [Vo]:Is lenr just a more efficient muon catalyzed fusion process ?

2013-07-12 Thread Edmund Storms
You need to realize this paper does NOT describe LENR. This is a variation of hot fusion. This is another way to produce the typical hot fusion process. The involvement of the muon ONLY increases the rate of hot fusion. Nothing about the reaction is changed except its rate. While the ambien

RE: [Vo]:Is lenr just a more efficient muon catalyzed fusion process ?

2013-07-12 Thread Jones Beene
David, This paper has little relevance to LENR ... other than as metaphor. Muon catalyzed fusion is hot fusion - with all the indicia of hot fusion. The closest comparison one can make between the two is that one form of LENR seems to be described best as "polariton catalyzed fusion" ... but eve

RE: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread Jones Beene
Curious, that the Navy cites Mitchell Swartz's applications (and Arata) as prior art - all of which have NOT been granted, and the Navy does NOT mention the one which they flagrantly copy. We need a massive overhaul of USPTO due to extreme incompetence. US Navy or not . this patent seems to be

[Vo]:Science2.0 on E-cat test by Elforsk

2013-07-12 Thread Alain Sepeda
Quite funny to see conspiracy experts repeat the holy words More On Rossi's E-Cat: Ericsson And Pomp Rebut "Independent" Test http://www.science20.com/quantum_diaries_survivor/more_rossis_ecat_ericsson_and_pomp_rebut_independent_test-116259

Re: [Vo]:Is lenr just a more efficient muon catalyzed fusion process ?

2013-07-12 Thread David ledin
Jones Beene I know this paper is not about lenr but when you put fact together i think you can see big picture here i'm not talking about lenr as Edmund Storms believe must be defined i'm talking about what rossi and defkalion and Finnish patent claimed we know they claim gamma ray , Nuclear tra

Re: [Vo]:Jet Energy - nanor/phusor question

2013-07-12 Thread Jack Cole
Dr. Swartz, Yes, that helps to greatly increase my confidence in what you've achieved. I know you have put a great deal of time, effort, thought, and money into this over the years to achieve something remarkable. I'm looking forward to your papers and what you will achieve in the future. Best

Re: [Vo]:Science2.0 on E-cat test by Elforsk

2013-07-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda wrote: Quite funny to see conspiracy experts repeat the holy words > Your response is good. There is a mistake we all make from time to time, but I think people such as Mary Yugo are especially prone to making it. You start by saying: "I think X is true." And then: "There may be

RE: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread Jones Beene
Curious detail in all of this Navy-gravy is worth a quick mention . since we are all concerned about getting LENR to market quickly. Who would have expected that Guam, of all places, would be benefiting from this breakthrough power source? Well . Navy Base Quam and an associated airfield ar

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread Peter Gluck
Re the US 20030201167 A1 patent of the Cincinnati Group: I have met Gleeson and Holloman at Asti -7, we became friends and Don has donated a Cincy Cell to me for testing, does it transmute elements or not. The cell was filled with a dilute solution of a thorium salt and HCl and after the forced hi

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread blaze spinnaker
The Genie sounds like LENR after it's been accepted: 1. Our experiments are repeatable. 2. Our experiments have been replicated by others. 3. Our experiments provide direct evidence that nuclear reactions are involved including the production of high-energy neutrons. Although our ex

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread blaze spinnaker
What's interesting to me is that if this works, LENR isn't as important. The GeNiE Reactor is not prone to melt down since it doesn't rely on a chain-reaction to produce high-energy neutrons. The GeNiE Reactor will extract more energy from the fuel than conventional nuclear Reactors. The GeNiE Rea

RE: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread Jones Beene
From: Peter Gluck Both inventors- who have later worked with Americium, have died due to leukemia. It was a tragedy- however no transmutation takes place, sorry for that. Yes too bad, and your report casts doubt on the GEC implementation (unless the two died of neutron radiation unbeknown

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread Robert Dorr
Just an observation, but it looks as though the G.E.C site hasn't been updated since 2010. There's been a lot happening in the LENR field in those three short years. Where have they been? Bob On 7/12/2013 12:26 PM, blaze spinnaker wrote: The Genie sounds like LENR after it's been accepted:

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread blaze spinnaker
The advantage of using Uranium is that it's production is controlled by friendly powers (US/Canada/Australia/etc). Perhaps this was a way to get various scientifically naive but highly influential individuals on board. The GEC board of directors, Khim says, includes some well-known Washington D.

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread Daniel Rocha
Maybe by the time Navy's patent was filed in, the others were still not analyzed. 2013/7/12 Jones Beene > Curious, that the Navy cites Mitchell Swartz’s applications (and Arata) > as prior art – all of which have NOT been granted,** > > ** > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Mo wins

2013-07-12 Thread mixent
In reply to H Veeder's message of Thu, 4 Jul 2013 11:24:41 -0400: Hi, [snip] >The problem with the explanation offered in the video is that it could >apply to a rope but ropes don't behave like that so the explanation is not >specific to the behaviour of the chain. > >Harry It may be related to t

Re: [Vo]:"Hot Spot" Fusion

2013-07-12 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 7 Jul 2013 02:48:07 -0400: Hi Axil, [snip] >This condition exists when dipole excitation form on the surface of a metal >surrounded by a dielectric material. When the conditions are right, a >Nanoplasmonic structure comprised of an intense collective ball of

Re: [Vo]:"Hot Spot" Fusion

2013-07-12 Thread Axil Axil
What causes the defeat of coulomb barrier? Mixent - kinetic energy of nuclear collision. Axil – EMF- namely charge concentration and anapole magnetism. The defeat of the coulomb barrier can’t be kinetic energy because from the experience gained with the kinetic collisions of nucle

[Vo]:Technova Poster at ICCF 18: excess 20 watts over a week

2013-07-12 Thread blaze spinnaker
http://www.claudiopace.it/giappone-fusione-fredda/?goback=%2Egde_4132340_member_257368745

Re: [Vo]:Technova Poster at ICCF 18: excess 20 watts over a week

2013-07-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
20 W is good! That is a lot of heat for most laboratory-scale calorimeters. As long as input is below ~100 W it is hard to imagine they would have difficulty measuring that. It is actually easier to measure heat from 10 to 100 W than, say, 1000 W. I doubt the s/n ratio improves much at 1000 W. De

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread blaze spinnaker
> > > However, if fast neutrons are being produced - they would NOT need uranium > and all the baggage that goes with this element, both in terms of PR and > cost. Therefore, one has to doubt the veracity of some of the information > coming out. > > ** ** > > > Interesting patent: http://pate

Re: [Vo]:Technova Poster at ICCF 18: excess 20 watts over a week

2013-07-12 Thread blaze spinnaker
Like you say, it depends on the input. Also, I missed the "up to 20 W" in my original post title. It'll be interesting to see the details behind what that means. ICCF and NI WEEK could turn out to be very exciting this year. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > 20 W is good

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:52 PM, blaze spinnaker wrote: The GeNiE Reactor is lower cost since it doesn't required enriched uranium > and it doesn't produce hazardous nuclear waste that is costly to handle. > One problem with neutrons is that we want fewer of them in the world, not more of them.

Re: [Vo]:"Hot Spot" Fusion

2013-07-12 Thread David Roberson
Axil, I am not confident that the fact that there is little kinetic energy remaining after the collision is the reason for the low level of gamma radiation. I understand that many of the productive fusion events associated with hot fusion happen at the tail end of the thermal distributions. I

Re: [Vo]:Technova Poster at ICCF 18: excess 20 watts over a week

2013-07-12 Thread David Roberson
This would be great news if proven accurate. I would rather see the 20 watts of excess heat being generated with an input of less than 20 watts to prove that the thing has a good beginning COP before stability issues are handled. The larger that ratio is, the less flak will be generated by th

Re: [Vo]:Technova Poster at ICCF 18: excess 20 watts over a week

2013-07-12 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 4:45 PM, blaze spinnaker wrote: http://www.claudiopace.it/giappone-fusione-fredda/?goback=%2Egde_4132340_member_257368745 Can I just say how cool it is that someone can point to a blog post in Italian, and the non-Italian speakers can go read a decent automatic translatio

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Jones How is connected GENIE with the Cincy Cell- in your opinion? Americium per se is very dangerous, see please: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americium#Health_issues Peter On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > *From:* Peter Gluck > > ** ** > > Both inventors- w

Re: [Vo]:U.S. Navy LENR patent

2013-07-12 Thread blaze spinnaker
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:52 PM, blaze spinnaker < > blazespinna...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The GeNiE Reactor is lower cost since it doesn't required enriched uranium >> and it doesn't produce hazardous nuclear waste that is costly to handle. >

Re: [Vo]:Technova Poster at ICCF 18: excess 20 watts over a week

2013-07-12 Thread James Bowery
No what would be great is if proven reliably replicable. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:33 PM, David Roberson wrote: > This would be great news if proven accurate. I would rather see the 20 > watts of excess heat being generated with an input of less than 20 watts to > prove that the thing has a g

Re: [Vo]:Technova Poster at ICCF 18: excess 20 watts over a week

2013-07-12 Thread Daniel Rocha
The important invention there is not the measured power but the measuring device. 2013/7/13 James Bowery > No what would be great is if proven reliably replicable. > > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:33 PM, David Roberson wrote: > >> This would be great news if proven accurate. I would rather see