Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-25 Thread Axil Axil
en determine that it has indeed > demonstrated a tunneling that should not be possible? I suspect that the > uncertainty principle would preclude such an experiment. > > Dave > > > -Original Message- > From: Harry Veeder > To: vortex-l > Sent: Fri, Ma

Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-25 Thread David Roberson
To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, May 24, 2012 4:22 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic? I guess this is also Frank Znidarsic contention: "If the range of the strong nuclear force increased beyond the electrostatic potential barrier a nucleon would feel the nuclear force

Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-24 Thread Harry Veeder
> > -Original Message- > From: Harry Veeder > To: vortex-l > Sent: Thu, May 24, 2012 4:22 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic? > > I guess this is also Frank Znidarsic contention: > > "If the range of the strong nuclear force increa

Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-24 Thread David Roberson
! Dave -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, May 24, 2012 4:22 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic? I guess this is also Frank Znidarsic contention: "If the range of the strong nuclear force increased beyond the lectrostatic pote

Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-24 Thread Harry Veeder
I guess this is also Frank Znidarsic contention: "If the range of the strong nuclear force increased beyond the electrostatic potential barrier a nucleon would feel the nuclear force before it was repelled by the electrostatic force. Under this situation nucleons would pass under the electrostatic

Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-24 Thread Harry Veeder
As another way to over come the coloumb barrier, I vaguely recall a paper proposing that the range of the strong force may reach further under some circumstances. Harry

Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-23 Thread Axil Axil
When two like charged participles are cooper paired together, do they still have charge? They may not. Their charge may be delocalized and exist at a location that is far distant from the spin part of them. If they both had the same charge, how could they stick together? A quasi-neutron… jus

Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-23 Thread Axil Axil
*It isn't clear to me why a cooper pair of protons would be of nuclear dimensions, nor why they would be able to surmount the Coulomb barrier.* Essentially, there exists no Coulomb barrier at the point of charge concentration if that concentration is dense enough. These days, I am interested in

Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-23 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Tue, 22 May 2012 21:44:13 -0400: Hi, [snip] >The cooper pair of protons speculation It isn't clear to me why a cooper pair of protons would be of nuclear dimensions, nor why they would be able to surmount the Coulomb barrier. (They only have a reasonable chance

Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-22 Thread Axil Axil
--- > From: Axil Axil > To: vortex-l > Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:44 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic? > > There are a number of assumptions at issue in this tread that I would > like to counter. I believe that a cooper pair of Protons fuses with the

Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-22 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > > ** > > Another reason that Focardi/Rossi’s claim of nickel going to copper is > brain-dead. > Or a gambit intended to divert attention from what is really going on. Eric

Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-22 Thread David Roberson
Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 6:50 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic? Awkshully, the most stable isotope in the periodic table is not one of iron’s major isotopes. 62Ni has the highest binding energy per nu

Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-22 Thread David Roberson
I also suspect that the reaction is a bit more complex than a single hydrogen fusion. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:44 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic? There are a number of assumptions at issue in

Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-22 Thread David Roberson
ided the original input proton energy of 5.6 MeV is assumed to be unimportant as you suggest. Dave -Original Message- From: Finlay MacNab To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 5:23 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic? The easiest way to visualize the effe

Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-22 Thread Axil Axil
tra > heat. Could this be the effect that I am calculating? It does seem to add > up in the numbers. > > Dave > > -----Original Message- > From: Jones Beene > To: vortex-l > Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 5:22 pm > Subject: RE: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 En

RE: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-22 Thread Jones Beene
Awkshully, the most stable isotope in the periodic table is not one of iron’s major isotopes. 62Ni has the highest binding energy per nucleon of all isotopes, including iron, even though the average binding energy per nucleon for iron is slightly higher than nickel. Another reason that F

RE: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-22 Thread Finlay MacNab
that it has a single proton nucleus. Iron cannot fuse with itself inside a star because the resultant reaction would be endothermic, this is why stars burn out, not because of H + Fe fusion. To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic? From: dlrober

Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-22 Thread David Roberson
the numbers. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 5:22 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic? Are you discounting QM and quantum tunneling? One could say that the in tunneling - threshold energy is briefly

Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-22 Thread David Roberson
Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 5:22 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic? Are you discounting QM and quantum tunneling? One could say that the in tunneling - threshold energy is briefly "borrowed" and then a short time

RE: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-22 Thread Finlay MacNab
ginal Message- From: Finlay MacNab To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 1:50 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic? Your calculation does not take into account the fact that the activation energy barrier releases the energy added to overcome it during the rea

RE: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-22 Thread Jones Beene
Are you discounting QM and quantum tunneling? One could say that the in tunneling - threshold energy is briefly "borrowed" and then a short time later, the "debt" is repaid – before the net gain is obvious. From: David Roberson Could you help me understand how the 5.6 MeV is recov

Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-22 Thread David Roberson
53rd floor before climbing back down the the second floor to end their journey. This is the nature of all "activation energy barriers". To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic? From: dlrober...@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:35:41 -040

RE: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-22 Thread Finlay MacNab
the the second floor to end their journey. This is the nature of all "activation energy barriers". To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic? From: dlrober...@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:35:41 -0400 I have been researching the cold fusion reacti

[Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic?

2012-05-22 Thread David Roberson
I have been researching the cold fusion reaction that is suggested by Rossi and Focardi in their recent paper http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/files/Rossi-Focardi_paper.pdf and have a couple of questions. The authors suggest that 3.41 MeV of energy is released by the fusion of a pro