Re: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-06-02 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 2 Jun 2014 10:05:10 -0700: Hi, [snip] >However, experience rules – and if there is found to be no longer wl than >this in physics– then the relative disproportion can be explained possibly >via some higher power law. For instance the square of 137 is an ap

Re: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-06-02 Thread Bob Cook
Jones- You mention high spin emitters. What were they? I would assume that the larger the magnetic field the spin emitters were in, the greater the emitted energy would be since the difference between the energy levels of adjacent states would be greater. Things to consider: An

RE: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-06-02 Thread Jones Beene
From: David Roberson In the RF world emissions can be generated by antennas that are far shorter than the wavelength of the radiation. The efficiency of the radiator becomes lower as the size decreases but it emits non the less. Y

Re: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-06-02 Thread David Roberson
, Jun 1, 2014 1:46 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis From:Bob Cook As robinpoints out the size of the wave length of the EM radiation does not depend uponthe size of the emitting entity. Hi Bob, Did Robin say that? – if so,his point comes

Re: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-06-01 Thread Bob Cook
Robin, etal--- It is via coupling to a magnetic field that energy is added to increase the angular momentum of a nucleus in NMR devices and hence the energy of the subject nucleus. The energy is then re-deposited in the magnetic field when the field strength changes from a resonance value f

Re: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-06-01 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 1 Jun 2014 10:46:36 -0700: Hi, [snip] >The shortest emission wavelength (lowest quanta of energy) which I have seen >from a relatively cold nucleus (non kinetic radiation) corresponds to mass >energy around 6 keV. If there is anything shorter in the lite

Re: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-06-01 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 1 Jun 2014 10:46:36 -0700: Hi, [snip] >In fact, my belief (pending a citation from you or Robin to contradict it) - >is that this blanket statement above about lack of a geometrical parameter is >completely incorrect - and in fact no nucleus can emit lon

Re: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-06-01 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Bob Cook wrote: However, the MRI absorption and emission of energy may not be called EM > radiation the way you are using the term. Nevertheless MRI does entail > nuclear emission of low energy quanta IMHO I'm wading into a thread that I have no business wadin

Re: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-06-01 Thread Bob Cook
Jones-- As a further comment I have copied a paragraph from Wikipedia which is what I am describing as nuclear magnetic resonance. Nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR) is the name given to a physical resonance phenomenon involving the observation of specific quantum mechanical magnetic propert

Re: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-06-01 Thread Bob Cook
from Robin’s email of May 23,2014: 16:58:19 -0700 The problem with "normal" nuclear radiation is that it is very short >wavelength - which is not seen in LENR experiments. Working backwards from a >spectrum which could have escaped detection, we can hypothesize that there >needs to be an emi

RE: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-06-01 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Cook As robin points out the size of the wave length of the EM radiation does not depend upon the size of the emitting entity. Hi Bob, Did Robin say that? – if so, his point comes under the category of opinion AFAIK - since the emission of EM radiation always depends to

Re: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-05-31 Thread Axil Axil
In vacuum dynamics, it is important to get the chain of causation correct. The key in all this is to produce a huge magnetic field. In order to get a huge magnetic field, charge must be removed from the electrons that produce the spin that in turn will produce this magnetic field. Electric

Re: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-05-31 Thread Bob Cook
I apologize for responding so tardily. But I have been in transit and outfitting for my summer/fall in Alaska. Jones-- The dimensions of the emitter associated with spin transitions in a nucleus or during nuclear magnetic momentum transitions does not have anything to do with the size o

Re: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-05-30 Thread Axil Axil
There is a process that is strong enough to overcome the coulomb barrier between the fermions in a cooper pair. In type II superconductors, this process is called fractionalization. When a large group of electrons are packed so tightly together by the arrangement of atoms in the superconductor mate

Re: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-05-26 Thread Axil Axil
There is a process that is strong enough to overcome the coulomb barrier between the fermions in a cooper pair. This process is called fractionalization. When a large group of fermions are packed so tightly together, in order for one to move one beyond another, they must tunnel to where they are fo

Re: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-05-26 Thread Bob Cook
If the spin down in the halo nucleus is the result of progressively lower spin energy states separated by small differential energy, there may be no gammas or x-rays. Bob aSent from Windows Mail From: Jones Beene Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎May‎ ‎18‎, ‎2014 ‎5‎:‎07‎ ‎PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com

Re: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-05-23 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 18 May 2014 17:07:47 -0700: Hi Jones, [snip] >Tritium is seen in Farnsworth Fusor, for instance and zero helium is seen - >indicating that a different channel that looks more like hot fusion is >available for tritium. Do you have a reference for this? A

Re: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-05-20 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 18 May 2014 16:58:19 -0700: Hi, [snip] >-Original Message- >From: mix...@bigpond.com > >> Why invoke electrogravity when the normal nuclear force will do just fine? >Note that the neutrons in the deuterons are already within range of this >force,

RE: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-05-18 Thread Jones Beene
Good points. However, tritium could result from a completely different type of LENR reaction than helium (4He). 3He, if seen, would then be the decay product of tritium. Tritium is seen in Farnsworth Fusor, for instance and zero helium is seen - indicating that a different channel that

RE: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-05-18 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com > Why invoke electrogravity when the normal nuclear force will do just fine? Note that the neutrons in the deuterons are already within range of this force, as the deuteron is already bound. Yes, of course. That's the basic problem. The nucleu

Re: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-05-18 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 18 May 2014 11:36:19 -0700: Hi, [snip] >It builds on the insight of Bob, Dave and Robin that "exclusivity" to one >channel can be ingrained if the QM reaction can happen only in a reversed >mode where energy release precedes actual fusion as an operative c

RE: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-05-18 Thread torulf.greek
Sounds good. But to fit observed tritium production you also must have an halo nucleus for tritium. And if the neutrons spiral down (quantified) emitting EUV in the beginning the size are shrinking and there would be x-rays and at gamma at the end.

RE: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-05-18 Thread Jones Beene
From: Eric Walker Instead, the "diproton plus halo" explanation sees EUV coming from electrogravitational collapse of transient halo neutrons into a diproton core. Is gravity integral to this halo neutron explanation? Only in the sense of electrogravity – as a unification of grav

Re: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-05-18 Thread Daniel Rocha
I don't know what Jones will answer, but the equations for gravity near a neutron star are similar, as a 1st aprox., to Maxwell equations. 2014-05-18 16:01 GMT-03:00 Eric Walker : > On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > > Instead, the "diproton plus halo" explanation sees EUV c

Re: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-05-18 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Jones Beene wrote: Instead, the "diproton plus halo" explanation sees EUV coming from > electrogravitational collapse of transient halo neutrons into a diproton > core. > Is gravity integral to this halo neutron explanation? Eric

Re: [Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-05-18 Thread Daniel Rocha
Yes, this is aprox. the idea I developed with Akito. The fusing atoms are like mini neutron stars. 2014-05-18 15:36 GMT-03:00 Jones Beene : > > This explanation would be that D+D occasionally forms > incompletely, not as 4He but instead as a two proton core - the diproton > speci

[Vo]:An emerging "diproton plus halo" hypothesis

2014-05-18 Thread Jones Beene
A newly-found paper, coincidence, metaphor and side notes are converging into a new "diproton plus halo" explanation for deuterium-to-helium "slow fusion" sans gamma. My apology to Ed Storms if this reflects his own viewpoint, but in fact it came up as an alternative way to arrive at a defensibl