Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

2011-07-15 Thread Joshua Cude
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Semantics. Yes, steam can be much wetter than 20%, particularly after condenstation, under marginal conditions it could approach

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

2011-07-15 Thread Damon Craig
Why did you choose the words red herring for a discriptive? Who uses these? On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: In many discussions of this, it was assumed that the only issue was steam quality. If we were to assume very wet steam, say 20% by

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

2011-07-15 Thread Rich Murray
Well, since now it is pretty clear to many of us that none of the demos provide proof of excess heat, then the judgement call is whether to decide that there is no Rossi excess heat. I came up intuitively, out of my sensitive vapors, with the scenario that Rossi found that increasing the electric

[Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

2011-07-14 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:01 AM 7/13/2011, Harry Veeder wrote: If we apply the logic of the block box to the eCat then it is possible to argue it is a hoax even if the output is only dry steam. This is based on the assumption that it is theoretically possible to use a 600-700 watt resistance heater to

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

2011-07-14 Thread Daniel Rocha
Hmm, I wonder if Krivit was really telling the truth and he played tricks on Rossi. On his website, Rossi said that there wasn't an output of 4KW: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=497cpage=9#comment-47686 Dear Marcia Pires: ***4000 kW is a power we never reached. The speed in

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

2011-07-14 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: In many discussions of this, it was assumed that the only issue was steam quality. If we were to assume very wet steam, say 20% by weight, we would then be able to infer excess heat, assuming complete boiling

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

2011-07-14 Thread Rich Murray
The 15 seconds when Rossi waved the misty end of the black hose against the black sweater were the Waterloo of this mistaken claim... Any signs that his associates are starting to face this unwelcome reality?

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

2011-07-14 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Rich: The 15 seconds when Rossi waved the misty end of the black hose against the black sweater were the Waterloo of this mistaken claim... Any signs that his associates are starting to face this unwelcome reality? The waterloo of [Rossi's] mistaken claim? Heavens, Rich, how many more

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

2011-07-14 Thread Rich Murray
I examined the video frame by frame for the 15 frames that were part of the 15 seconds that showed the end of the black hose -- several frames clearly show the water mist expanding as a cone directly from the end of the hose -- thus no proof that invisible steam made it to the end of the 3 m hose.

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

2011-07-14 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Richard: I examined the video frame by frame for the 15 frames that were part of the 15 seconds that showed the end of the black hose -- several frames clearly show the water mist expanding as a cone directly from the end of the hose -- thus no proof that invisible steam made it to the

RE: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

2011-07-14 Thread Mark Iverson
Steven wrote: For now, I think I'll reserve a definitive conclusion on the Rossi matter. As Richard Feynman said, there are some who are very uncomfortable not making a decision... Some individuals tend to operate in a binary mode, and are constantly changing their 'decision' as new data comes

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

2011-07-14 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: As Richard Feynman said, there are some who are very uncomfortable not making a decision... Some individuals tend to operate in a binary mode, and are constantly changing their 'decision' as new data comes in.  I,

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

2011-07-14 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:50 PM 7/14/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: In many discussions of this, it was assumed that the only issue was steam quality. If we were to assume very wet steam, say 20% by weight,

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

2011-07-14 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:49 PM 7/14/2011, Rich Murray wrote: The 15 seconds when Rossi waved the misty end of the black hose against the black sweater were the Waterloo of this mistaken claim... Any signs that his associates are starting to face this unwelcome reality? Rich, you are making an assumption, that a

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

2011-07-14 Thread Harry Veeder
Abd, you are correct of course. It was 3am when I wrote that post in a vain effort to persuade myself that Rossi demonstrations are too ambiguous arrive at any sort of conclusion. However, unlike you, I do think the evidence is sufficient to make a judgement about the veracity of Rossi claims.

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

2011-07-14 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: Semantics. Yes, steam can be much wetter than 20%, particularly after condenstation, under marginal conditions it could approach 100%. This, however, wouldn't be called steam. It would be called hot water. Yes,