On May 26, 2013, at 8:38 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Sat, 25 May 2013 12:14:15
-0600:
Hi Ed,
[snip]
OK Eric, I understand. My confusion resulted because you had Ni in
the
equation. You are really suggesting H+D = He3 fusion. This was
suggested in
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Mon, 27 May 2013 06:58:29 -0600:
Hi Ed,
[snip]
It apparently
results from D+H+e fusion, which was proposed as early as 1996 based
on the effect of the D/H ratio.
Could you explain how the effect of D/H ratio proves that this is the mechanism?
Regards,
Robin, the amount of tritium produced is sensitive to the D/H ratio,
increasing to a maximum rate as the ratio approaches 1. The maximum
rate does not occur when the ratio is exactly unity in the gas because
the reaction is controlled by the ratio in the NAE. The ratio in the
NAE is
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Mon, 27 May 2013 16:33:01 -0600:
Hi Ed,
Thanks for the explanation.
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
In reply to Andrew's message of Mon, 27 May 2013 20:22:25 -0700:
Hi Andrew,
[snip]
Robin,
Is Blacklight simply a patent repository these days or does it attempt to
make and sell equipment also?
I don't really keep tabs on them, but as I understand it they have always sold
licenses, and I think
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Sat, 25 May 2013 12:14:15 -0600:
Hi Ed,
[snip]
OK Eric, I understand. My confusion resulted because you had Ni in the
equation. You are really suggesting H+D = He3 fusion. This was
suggested in 1989 and efforts were made to look for the resulting He3
In reply to DJ Cravens's message of Sat, 25 May 2013 15:47:30 -0600:
Hi,
[snip]
where as about 1 out of 6400 or so hydrogen atoms in hydrogen gas is
deuterium, I don't think that equates to 1 out of 6000 of them being D2. Most
of the deuterium would likely be in the form of HD instead. D2
In reply to David Roberson's message of Fri, 24 May 2013 23:46:36 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
Catch me a large number of hydrinos in a jar to measure. Would this be
possible in principle? If not, why?
Dave
Mills used to have photos of the jars on his website. :)
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Fri, 24 May 2013 21:16:37 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
(I know you don't think there are fast particles -- this is something I'm
still keeping tabs on and haven't convinced myself of yet.)
Neither have I.
I have a Geiger counter and a smoke alarm. When the detector is
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:00 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
I have a Geiger counter and a smoke alarm. When the detector is right in
front
of the Am241 pellet it rapidly registers a high count. Put the detector
behind
the PC board on which the circuit was built, but at a closer distance to
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Nice sanity check. The next thing to check would be to put your alpha
source in heavy water. :)
Sorry, context switch, there. I was thinking of Pd/D. But that set of
questions is also interesting and possibly relevant
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Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
Nice sanity check. The next thing to check would be to put your alpha
source in heavy water. :)
Sorry, context
Hi,
We were picking up an ongoing thread concerning whether fast particles are
being generated in any quantity in an Ni/H cold fusion reaction. (We've
been debating it for several months now, I think.) We were proceeding on
the assumption that Ni/H is real. Then I inadvertently mixed in Pd/D.
Eric, when you speculate, you need to apply some basic science. For
example, a reaction involving three nuclei, one of which has a very
low concentration has a probability of occurring that is near zero,
based on the random chance that all three can get together at the same
time at the
For misunderstanding the context, my apologies. The Rossi stuff has the
potential for generating frustration too.
Andrew
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From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 2:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 7:08 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
Eric, when you speculate, you need to apply some basic science. For
example, a reaction involving three nuclei, one of which has a very low
concentration has a probability of occurring that is near zero, based on
the
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 7:08 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
For example, a reaction involving three nuclei, one of which has a very low
concentration has a probability of occurring that is near zero, based on
the random chance that all three can get together at the same time at
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
I am currently tracking down the experimental and theoretical basis for the
conclusion that there are no alphas detected in cold fusion experiments.
Sorry -- I meant to say *prompt* alphas. In Pd/D experiments, there
Eric, my comment has no relationship to any theory, mine or Ron's. It
is based purely on probability of the events you imagine happening at
a useful rate. The most probable event is an encounter between one H
and one Ni. A less probable event will occur when two H arrive at the
same Ni at
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
I would expect that if a Ni were able to fuse with 1D and 1H, it would fuse
with 2 H much more often.
There's no presumption of fusion of Ni with d and h. The assumption is
that Ni receives some of the momentum of the
On May 25, 2013, at 11:41 AM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
I would expect that if a Ni were able to fuse with 1D and 1H, it
would fuse with 2 H much more often.
There's no presumption of fusion of Ni with d and h. The
Most of the theories discussed here are localized theories. They depend on
the the reaction whatever it is, to happen in or very near the NAE.
But what if it can be shown that the reaction inside the NAE can affect
atoms at a some distance from the NAE. Can that be possible in any theory
that
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
You are really suggesting H+D = He3 fusion. This was suggested in 1989 and
efforts were made to look for the resulting He3 without success. The only
time He3 was detected, it resulted from tritium decay. Nevertheless,
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
I object to theories that either suggest ideas that have no relationship to
known behavior or are pure hand waving. This idea seems to be in both
classes. Would you not expect the nuclear reaction would be very common
-0700
Subject: Re: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 7:08 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Eric, when you speculate, you need to apply some basic science. For example, a
reaction involving three nuclei, one of which has a very low
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sat, 25 May 2013 00:20:10 -0700:
Hi,
Sorry, I'm pretty much restricted to what I can do in my living room, with
what's available to me.
[snip]
Nice sanity check. The next thing to check would be to put your alpha
source in heavy water. :)
1. Without the PC
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 25 May 2013 01:53:06 -0400:
Hi,
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2013/may/23/quantum-microscope-peers-into-the-hydrogen-atom
Take a picture of a Hydrino for me
Why not ask Mills? He has lots of them.
[snip]
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
What happens if the pictures come out wrong? Mills will have to go back to
lancing boils and setting bones.
From the high priest of the universe to a common sawbones, what a bummer.
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 6:48 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 25 May 2013
On May 25, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Edmund Storms
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
I object to theories that either suggest ideas that have no
relationship to known behavior or are pure hand waving. This idea
seems to be in both classes. Would
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
If D+H can fuse, what effect do you think the relative concentration of D
and H has on the rate? The D2O contains as much H2O as the H2 contains
deuterium. Therefore, both conditions should produce the same amount of
and cool[/snip].
Fran
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Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:55 PM
To: c...@googlegroups.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
A great deal of discussion has been
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Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:55 PM
To: c...@googlegroups.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
A great deal of discussion has been generated by the Rossi test. I
would liker to add my contribution.
Rossi
, May 24, 2013 1:05 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
Thanks Fran. It's nice to get an occasional agreement :-) However, how
do you propose to make helium and tritium from D and H by a process
other than fusion? Of course
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To: c...@googlegroups.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
A great deal of discussion has been generated by the Rossi test. I
would liker to add my contribution.
Rossi has demonstrated
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To: c...@googlegroups.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
A great deal of discussion has been generated by the Rossi test. I
would liker to add my contribution.
Rossi has
a molten surface into the
ceramic.
Fran
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 2:12 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
The other very important piece of the puzzle that this Rossi demo has revealed
is how extreme the LENR
: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
Thanks Fran. It's nice to get an occasional agreement :-) However, how
do you propose to make helium and tritium from D and H by a process
other than fusion? Of course, the process is not like hot fusion, but
this does not remove another process
the induced suppression as well as
melting to form Rayney nickel. Your analysis does support sonofusion and plasma
engines.
Fran
From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 2:18 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
sitting there radiating away it’s heat from a
molten surface into the ceramic.
Fran
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*Sent:* Friday, May 24, 2013 2:12 PM
*To:* vortex-l
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The other very
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2013 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
The other very important piece of the puzzle that this Rossi demo
has revealed is how extreme the LENR can get. This tells us
important new things about the LENR reaction.
When
, then
this form of LENR would be a bulk effect.
Dave
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From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2013 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
The other very important piece of the puzzle that this Rossi
temperature?
Dave
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From: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2013 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
Please people, stay in the real world
: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
The other very important piece of the puzzle that this Rossi demo has
revealed is how extreme the LENR can get. This tells us important new
things about the LENR reaction.
When the E-Cat melts down, its temperature reaches at least 2000C
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Cc: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2013 2:38 pm
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Please people, stay in the real world. The description Alex gives
has no relationship to what has been described in the paper or to
what is possible. We have
catalyst. In other words, we know nothing that would support
such speculations.
Ed Storms
On May 24, 2013, at 12:17 PM, David Roberson wrote:
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From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2013 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
Would you believe that it is possible to melt tungsten (MP 3422 deg C)
using only 10 watts? Try putting 10 watts into a 1 watt flashlight bulb.
It will burn out immediately as the tungsten filament melts. No LENR
reaction, just straight resistive heating. Power and temperature are not
directly
nothing that would support such speculations.
Ed Storms
On May 24, 2013, at 12:17 PM, David Roberson wrote:
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From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2013 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
The other very important piece
.
Dave
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From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com mailto:janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2013 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
The other very important piece of the puzzle
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
The other very important piece of the puzzle that this Rossi demo has
revealed is how extreme the LENR can get. This tells us important new
things about the LENR reaction.
When the E-Cat melts down, its temperature reaches at least
:12 pm
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
The other very important piece of the puzzle that this Rossi demo
has revealed is how extreme the LENR can get. This tells us
important new things about the LENR reaction.
When the E-Cat melts down, its temperature reaches
be a bulk effect.
Dave
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From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2013 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
The other very important piece of the puzzle that this Rossi demo
has revealed is how
Well. Okay. I DID say I have no idea..
Maybe AR piped in some liquid oxygen through one of those extra wires?
Ol' Bab
On 5/24/2013 5:30 PM, Edmund Storms wrote:
David, have you ever actually heated stainless steel. I suggest you
take a spoon from your collection in the kitchen and heat it
-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2013 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
The other very important piece of the puzzle that this Rossi demo has
revealed is how extreme the LENR can get. This tells us important new
things about the LENR reaction.
When
: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2013 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
The other very important piece of the puzzle that this Rossi demo has
revealed is how extreme the LENR can get. This tells us important new things
was open to
the external air. Where do you gather that there is H outside the
stainless reactor core?
-mark
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*Sent:* Friday, May 24, 2013 3:27 PM
*To:* vortex-l
*Subject:* Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test -how
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
I have proposed the heat results from deuterium production, which I'm
trying to get people to look for.
I am very interested to see whether the opposite result is seen -- i.e., a
significant *decrease* in deuterium
: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi test
The other very important piece of the puzzle that this Rossi demo has
revealed is how extreme the LENR can get. This tells us important new
things about the LENR reaction.
When the E-Cat melts down, its temperature reaches at least 2000C. The
melting point
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Fri, 24 May 2013 20:30:40 -0600:
Hi,
[snip]
First Eric, looking for deuterium would automatically see an increase
as well as a decrease. No additional effort is required. Second, what
reaction do you propose would use up the very small amount of D2 in
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Fri, 24 May 2013 14:12:07 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
LENR must function in liquid and vapor.
Riddle me that one batman.
Hydrinos don't care. :)
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Fri, 24 May 2013 14:38:09 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
The temperature difference between the melting point of stainless steel and
ceramic is 600 degrees C. To produce this temperature difference beyond the
melting point of nickel powder and stainless steel requires a
Catch me a large number of hydrinos in a jar to measure. Would this be
possible in principle? If not, why?
Dave
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From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2013 11:16 pm
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:My evaluation of the Rossi
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
First Eric, looking for deuterium would automatically see an increase as
well as a decrease. No additional effort is required.
You would be surprised what people will overlook if they're not expecting
it as a
I wrote:
N + p + d → Ni + fast 3He
That would be quite impressive. I meant to write:
Ni + p + d → Ni + fast 3He
Eric
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2013/may/23/quantum-microscope-peers-into-the-hydrogen-atom
Take a picture of a Hydrino for me
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 11:16 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Fri, 24 May 2013 14:12:07 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
LENR must
A great deal of discussion has been generated by the Rossi test. I
would liker to add my contribution.
Rossi has demonstrated two very important behaviors of the effect.
First, the effect can be initiated and sustained for a significant
time at temperatures above 800° C. This means the NAE
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Regardless of which theory a person wishes to apply, this description must
be acknowledged because it is based on engineering principles, not on a
theory of LENR.
I agree, but perhaps this description only applies to Ni-H, not Pd-D. Could
that be
We know from direct measurements and studies at the boiling point that
the Pd-D system has a positive temperature coefficient in this range.
This behavior is characteristic of the effect because the rate must be
determined by an endothermic reaction. The Pd-D system will not be
very
I appreciate the commonsense engineering concepts about the endothermic
character of diffusion of nuclei within a lattice into the NAE.
within the fellowship of service, Rich
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
We know from direct measurements and
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