Jones Beene wrote:
> Jed Rothwell has put countless hours and his own funds over 25 years to
> memorialize the efforts of dozens of scientists and thousands of papers. None
> of these experiments going back to 1989 – representing 25 years of blood,
> sweat and tears - has
Hi Bob,
You seem to be describing a kind of nuclear "band," where there are so many
nuclear levels from participating nuclei that they merge into a band
analogous to a band in a semiconductor, and the energy levels lose their
distinctness and become continuous.
How do the nuclei communicate with
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
In short (at the risk of being repetitive) ... this theory is an
> embarrassment to the two guys who proposed it since they did not recognize
> the insurmountable problems.
I don't know. I think it's kind of an
It seems to me that the reading and analysis of the Lugano report that was
done by Lunden and Lidgren was at best superficial. The information about
the fuel and ash is very deep and needs to be mulled over for a
considerable amount of time. The smallest experimental detail can make or
break a
From: Eric Walker
Ø We should be encouraging and not take too critical an eye to attempts such
as the one by Lunden and Lidgren. In addition, we should be open to fragments
of insight that might be hidden in such attempts.
Maybe so … but... there are limits to gullibility. This
In the Lugano test, each nickel atom comprising the 100 micro nickel
particle swapped either 1, 2, 3 or 4 neutrons from multiple lithium 7 atoms
to get to pure Ni62 from Ni58, Ni60 and Ni61 and this swap happened to all
billion atoms of the that particle in one operation. This is what this
latest
Jones,
No I did not say it was blunt. BTW I changed my signature:)
No, I said it was a little contradictory to the general complaints, here in
Vortex, saying that there is no room for accepting explanations that does
not jive with the book.
I think the same goes for religious people who throws the
Jones
Do you have ghosts at home?
How can this be to shame either Mats or Rossi.
If it is a 1 of April joke then you have certainly taken the edge off it.
Besides the people involved would not risk their careers for an April 1
joke.
Nobody can say you did not see through it if it is one.
The
Regarding Geneste's paper, the 'strange radiation' tracks described were
replicated by Keith Fredericks and reported at ICCF18:
http://www.ecoinventions.ca/iccf-18-keith-fredericks-possibility-of-tachyon/
His analysis suggested they might be superluminal tachyons.
On 10/16/2015 12:38 PM,
These tracks are produced by analog black holes call "dark mode surface
plasmon polaritons" (dark mode SPP). it is well know that these polariton
solitons produce monopole magnetic fields. Being a black hole, the inside
of the soliton contains negative energy due to the fact that loads of power
I think it is appropriate for forums such as Vortex-L to debate the value
of new papers. We should be fair, honest, and not defamatory. We should
not impugn the integrity of the authors. I tried to be fair and explicit
in what I said. I would love for the authors to respond on Vortex - lets
I see some of my favorite words in that * Geneste *paper. You might have
had this * Geneste *information available to you right here on vortex.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Lennart Thornros
wrote:
> Jones
> Do you have ghosts at home?
> How can this be to shame either
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Bob Higgins
wrote:
I think it is appropriate for forums such as Vortex-L to debate the value
> of new papers.
>
I agree. I wasn't criticizing your very apt points. I was just commenting
on the decision of the authors to propose the
.
Bob Cook
From: Bob Higgins
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 12:52 PM
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I think it is appropriate for forums such as Vortex-L to debate the value of
new papers. We should be fair, honest
stable O-17
>and it goes to O-18 which is also stable.
>
>Bob Cook
>
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>
without gammas. It's too
easy to measure gammas for so many experimenters to have missed them.
Bob Cook
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From: Bob Cook
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Subject: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation
> break-through
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I believe the authors know what they are about.
>>
>
> The authors a
. The field or
fields provide the couple. (It’s spooky action at a distance.)
Bob Cook
From: Eric Walker
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 11:12 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
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Hi Bob,
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 12:41 AM
Mats blog also indicates following remarks:
*Lundin and Lidgren have made a brief successful experiment and they have
verified the model through calculations against results from well-known
LENR experiments such as the Lugano report with Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat
gamma have to be emited in most case, or else energy is transfered as
momentum, who finish as indirect gamma or impacts.
anyway the implicit that may not be true is that this happen in one shot.
the key idea of ed Storms is that the emission of excess energy is not done
in one shot, but by the
they disturb.
Bob Cook
From: Alain Sepeda
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 2:14 AM
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gamma have to be emited in most case, or else energy is transfered as momentum,
who finish as indirect gamma or impac
Jones,
You might be right they understand nothing - nada.
But as you said first thing first.
To be categoric about others believe might backfire. There might be a shred
of truth in their ideas, why not just find out if that is so and add that
to the previous knowledge.
A couple of comments. Those
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>
> In reply to Teslaalset's message of Fri, 16 Oc
iverson
From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 12:52 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through
I think it is appropriate for forums such as Vortex-L to debate the value of
new papers. We
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
Maybe the intent is to shame Mats – or Rossi, or the whole field by
> promoting a spoof? Can you rule this out?
Maybe. That possibility brings to mind this incident, where a fake article
written by a physics professor
From: Bob Cook
Ø If the authors are embarrassed as has been suggested they should be, I doubt
they will come to Vortex-L for consultation.
First things first. The real problem is that there is a fabulous Library of
LENR experiments, readily available to consult, and free to explore.
In reply to Teslaalset's message of Fri, 16 Oct 2015 09:50:19 +0200:
Hi,
[snip]
>*The scientists are now preparing for a well-planned experiment with all
>necessary safety measures, ideally with a transparent reactor body since
>the effect according to the scientists releases a lot of light.*
I had the same thought about the hypothetical hole.
Bob Cook
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Sent: Friday, October 16, 2015 2:43 PM
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In reply to Axil Axil's message of Fri,
Add some BORAX to the water, I hear that's even better.
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In reply
In reply to Craig Haynie's message of Fri, 16 Oct 2015 20:56:56 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>What am I missing here? Is hydrogen not really necessary for this reaction?
>Then why was it considered so important?
>
>Craig
.. another reason why their explanation is probably invalid, or they are
inventing a
Sokal article is clerly an danger in this field.
On Fri, 16 Oct
2015 16:59:32 -0500, Eric Walker wrote:
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:07
PM, Jones Beene wrote:
Maybe the intent is to shame Mats - or Rossi,
or the whole field by promoting a spoof? Can you rule this out?
Maybe.
That
There are many things I find wrong with the theory expounded by this paper
and the paper itself is poor. Here are some other complaints that you
Vorts may or may not have already noted (not in any particular order). [I
would be happy to hear how I might have gotten these wrong.]
- The first
From: Bob Higgins
* There are many things I find wrong with the theory expounded by this
paper and the paper itself is poor.
I agree. It is so poor that it reflects badly on the LENR community that it is
being praised.
From: Bob Cook
*
* The Li-7 would pick up a
The paper seems to have all bases covered except the experience of
“life-after-death.” It was not clear how the resonant conditions are
maintained by the conditions created by the mechanism proposed. It seems that
there must be some “ringing” of the lattice of Ni or some sound reflection
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To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 8:02 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through
Dave--
The Li-7 would pick up a neutron to reach Li-8 which decays to Be-8 by giving
up an electron and which in turn decays
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through
Bob, I understand that the process you are describing is one of them that they
assume is occurring. But, you know there must be other elements such as
aluminum within range of those low energy neutrons. If even
Dave--
The Li-7 would pick up a neutron to reach Li-8 which decays to Be-8 by giving
up an electron and which in turn decays to 2 alphas with no radiation. (The
the loose neutrons are slow and react quickly with the Li and Ni. There is not
much else around. A good Be outer shield could
Even if this isn't the right explanation, it is the one that patent
applicants should use. I've been saying all along that guys like Rossi and
P should have called it a super-resonating chemical reaction and just
keep experimenting until they have production units.
This might even explain how
In reply to Bob Cook's message of Thu, 15 Oct 2015 21:26:22 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
It doesn't matter which element/isotope absorbs the neutron, or which isotope it
creates. Every reaction is going to produce an energetic gamma immediately. ALL
the excess energy from this process is going to be in the
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Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation
break-through
In reply to Bob Cook's message of Thu, 15 Oct 2015 21:26:22 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
It doesn't matter which element/isotope absorbs the neutron, or which
isotope it
creates. Every reaction is going to produce
RE: [Vo]:Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-throughJones--
It was my conclusion reading the paper that the energy required to free a
neutron from Li-7 produced a thermal neutron which could be readily absorbed by
Ni-58. Note the paper does not address the use of other isotopes of
: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through
Dave--
I too think that Al-27 + Thermal-N might be a problem. It gives Al-28 which
decays in minutes with a 1.7 mev gamma. That should be observed, if it is
above the cosmic background level. However, no gammas there were
I wrote:
Only after this first step is the energy debt paid back in a second step
> involving the exothermic neutron capture reaction (which would be
> accompanied by deexcitation gammas).
>
Note that there's two sources of gammas. There's the gamma that is
released during the reaction (Robin's
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:55 PM, Bob Cook wrote:
I believe the authors know what they are about.
>
The authors approach the energy balance problem in two steps, and the first
step is extremely endothermic. It's pretty difficult to separate a neutron
from 7Li or d and
What any reasonable theory of LENR must explain is how the positive
feedback loop between the site of atomic transformation is occurring and
the site of LENR causation. What transfers the reaction energy(binding
energy?) to and fro. Then there is all the miracles of LENR to be
explained. In
;vortex-l@eskimo.com>
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Subject: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through
The paper seems to have all bases covered except the experience of
“life-after-death.” It was not clear how the resonant conditions are
maintained by the condit
: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 9:14 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Re: Swedish scientists claim LENR explanation break-through
The paper seems to have all bases covered except the experience of
“life-after-death.” It was not clear how
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