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The biggest mystery in astrophysics is the mismatch between reactions fusion reation rate on earth and those seen in space. This mismatch is caused by electron screening and what’s more, this screening is much more intense than screening theory predicts. With regards to electron cloud screening

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In reply to David Roberson's message of Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:51:37 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] > >Relative is the operational word here Robin. I misunderstood your description >of the 2 billion years half life of He2. He2 doesn't have a half-life of billions of years. The pp reaction does, but tha

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In reply to David Roberson's message of Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:33:15 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] > >>There is also a competing reaction: > >He3 + p => He4 + neutrino + beta+ (or maybe e- capture) (weak force mediated >decay).< > > >I would not expect to see He4 formed directly by the proton addition to H

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In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:15:00 -0700: Hi, [snip] >When the Wikipedia article talks about a ratio of 1:400 for pep to pp, is >that the ratio of successful deuterium formation for each of these >branches, Yes. [snip] >Also, when you mention "days" in connection with

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couple of examples demonstrating its unique characteristics. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 12:38 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 9:33 PM, David Roberson wrote: I would not expect to se

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temperature would suggest that more fusion would occur leading to ever higher temperature until boom. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 12:04 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology In reply to David Roberson's message of S

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On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 9:33 PM, David Roberson wrote: I would not expect to see He4 formed directly by the proton addition to > He3 because the binding energy would tear it apart unless it is released > quickly. Every viable fusion reaction that has He4 as a final product > releases one or mo

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ry viable fusion reaction that has He4 as a final product releases one or more large nucleons(proton, neutron or alpha) that help carry away the binding energy. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 12:01 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 

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On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 9:01 PM, wrote: Slight misunderstanding here. The Diproton doesn't exist. It falls apart > immediately into two protons. The only time you get D is when the > conversion of > a proton to a neutron just happens to occur during the very brief instant > in > time that the dip

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In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:01:58 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] >I am inclined to believe that the beta plus decay from P-P to H2 is relatively >fast since the release of .42 MeV occurs. Then may I suggest that you work out the percentage of H in the solar core that act

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In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:16:36 -0700: Hi, [snip] >On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 3:16 PM, wrote: > >Unfortunately AFAIK, all the energy of the p-e-p reaction is carried by the > >neutrino which of course escapes, hence no net measurable energy effect. :( >> > >Yes, indeed

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In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 22 Jul 2012 21:12:36 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] > >I do not think all of the energy can be carried away by means of a neutrino >emission since the remaining nucleus must rebound to preserve momentum. This >of course would also require energy to be impre

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On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 3:16 PM, wrote: Unfortunately AFAIK, all the energy of the p-e-p reaction is carried by the neutrino which of course escapes, hence no net measurable energy effect. :( > Yes, indeed. For the following calculation, I'm getting exactly 1.44 MeV, the amount thought to be c

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. Robin, are you confident that a gamma is not released at the same time as the neutrino? Dave -Original Message- From: mixent To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 1

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6:23 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:33:07 -0400 (EDT): i, snip] Obviously it works within stellar domains. I may have made an error, but I once worked out that the half-life of the p-p eaction in the Sun

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In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:33:07 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] >Obviously it works within stellar domains. I may have made an error, but I once worked out that the half-life of the p-p reaction in the Sun is on the order of billions of years. Since tunneling of p to p s

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In reply to David Roberson's message of Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:14:39 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] >And of course we have been searching very hard to find a process that does not >release strong gammas and this would fit that requirement as long as we >overlook the 511 keV ones. There are actually two p

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]:principles of DGTG 's technology On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:14 PM, David Roberson wrote: Are you considering an additional fusion reaction to follow up on the initial one discussed to use the hydrogen fuel more efficiently? If there is anyway to end up with helium 4, that problem would vap

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On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:14 PM, David Roberson wrote: Are you considering an additional fusion reaction to follow up on the > initial one discussed to use the hydrogen fuel more efficiently? If there > is anyway to end up with helium 4, that problem would vaporize. > That's right -- I'm think

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c, not yes-no. There are black swans out there. But riding one of those rare creatures is a difficult issue indeed.) Guenter Von: Jed Rothwell An: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" Gesendet: 23:34 Dienstag, 17.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:principles of

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more efficiently? If there is anyway to end up with helium 4, that problem would vaporize. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:01 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 5:38 PM, wrote: Never

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about danger I notice in wikipedia the following facts for 30-500keV "The most biological damaging forms of gamma radiation occur in the gamma ray window, between 3 and 10 MeV", so we are ut of the worst danger zone

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In reply to Peter Gluck's message of Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:39:41 +0300: Hi, [snip] >The team is working very hard on this and they will publih the data soon. I >have noticed your wish and will try to let you know at least the "spirit" >of the results- they say about the first real theory. >Peter >>

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On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 5:38 PM, wrote: Never mind. Entirely my mistake. > > I totally forgot to include gammas released during the neutron captures. > These can be significant. > No worries. I think the neutron capture reactions will result in characteristic radiation that you would be able t

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Eric, Never mind. Entirely my mistake. I totally forgot to include gammas released during the neutron captures. These can be significant. --- Lou Pagnucco I wrote -- > Eric, > > You may be correct, but using data from Wikipedia's "Isotopes of nickel" > page at URL -- http://en.wikipedia.org/

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Guenter Wildgruber > wrote: The simplest thing would be to show a working Hyperion during the two days. not disclosing anything. It would be easy to set up such a demonstration, because their claimed COP is above any doubt, and this is not a milliwatt i

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Peter is not infected by Alzheime'rs disease -he is most reaonable and insigthful, I am sure) makes me a bit more optimistic. We'll see. Guenter Von: David Roberson An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 21:01 Dienstag, 17.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:principles

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On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:26 AM, David Roberson wrote: > I understand your position Jed. You point is well taken about the need for > verification of the data by independent organizations but I feel that any > data at this time is better than none. I plan to operate under the > assumption that

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12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology Dave, I appreciate your comments. My opinion of DGT was heavily influenced by one of the earlier Xanthoulis interviews where he admitted to have gained access, by subterfuge, the identity of Rossi's catalyst. The guy p

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Eric, You may be correct, but using data from Wikipedia's "Isotopes of nickel" page at URL -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_nickel the only naturally occuring stable isotopes of nickel are: 58Ni, 60Ni, 61Ni, 62Ni, 64Ni The only neutron captures that can occur with measurable probabil

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OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > I fully appreciate the fact that commercializing the hyperon product > trumps the need to generate independent verification. > I agree. I have no objection whatever if Defkalion wants to keep the results strictly secret. However, they announced that they w

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ICCF17 to advance their own agenda like they did with Rossi. Anyone willing to bet a steak lunch over this? - Original Message - *From:* David Roberson <mailto:dlrober...@aol.com> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 17

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? - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology Jojo, you are entitled to your opinions of the parties involved in this shaky afair. I feel that DGT s

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o To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:15 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology Peter, when someone has a technology that is as revolutionary as Commercial-level LENR as DGT has, they cease to have this implied protection anymore. LENR is a symbol and icon of hope for

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Dear Akira, More precisely I am an independent friend of the DGTG guys, just look what I have written about them. I am an old engineer and I have discovered that they an me- we are thinking similarly in technical and other problems. Somewhere in 1992 I have elaborated kind of understanding of Cold

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>From Akira: > Should we interpret this as "Peter Gluck is an independent observer" ? I would like to go on record saying that if Peter really IS acting as an independent observer, and he opines that as far as he can determine DGT's hyperon data IS valid, I certainly would be far less inclined to

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On 2012-07-17 02:58, Jojo Jaro wrote: Like many here, I am sick and tired of waiting, both for Rossi and DGT. I give 70% chance DGT will withdraw from ICCS17 at the last minute, 10% chance the data presented will be incomplete and 10% chance the data they will present will disappoint (poor COP,

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continuing adoration and attention. > > > Jojo > > > > - Original Message ----- > *From:* Peter Gluck > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:48 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology > > Dear Steven, > > Thi

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: Tue, Jul 17, 2012 10:11 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology Peter Gluck wrote: Their responsibility is not toward people who are just curious and unpatient. I think it is irresponsible for anyone to make claims of this nature without at the same time prese

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On 2012-07-17 15:22, Peter Gluck wrote: Mainly their own data, but why are you asking- do you think only independent data = good? DGTG has reciprocal NDA with independent observers. in the next paper you will receive these data- I also have a very strict NDA with them. - DGTG has reciprocal NDA

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Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology > Mainly their own data, but why are you asking- do you think only independent data = good? DGTG has reciprocal NDA with independent observers. in the next paper you will receive these data- I also have a very strict NDA with them. Hi

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Peter, I look forward to seeing the data that you have from the DGTG testing. Please post it as soon as is possible. Dave -Original Message- From: Peter Gluck To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:22 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology Mainly their own

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Dear Jed, Have you read the interview with Defkalion re their business strategy? If yes you can see to which people they have responsibilities. Let's be serious, we here are kind of electronic paper tigers with no impact, no real influence, no capital, no fame; can we change, improve or stop somet

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ubject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology IMHO, Rossi & DGT should stop squabbling, patch up their differences, and team up again. I think both entities would be stronger collaborating together. They would be better equipped to withstand what is sure to be an onslaught of competition.

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27;s IP and come out with a straight face. Unbelievable how you think this company deserves our continuing adoration and attention. Jojo - Original Message - From: Peter Gluck To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles o

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> This could be significant only if DGTG is in some trouble, however they will > demonstrate their Hyperions, get them on the market and that's all. Almost > equally interesting is their > contribution to understanding of LENR > Then they will publish more data, independent ones included. > Their s

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Peter Gluck wrote: > Their responsibility is not toward people who are just curious > and unpatient. > I think it is irresponsible for anyone to make claims of this nature without at the same time presenting independent confirmation. If this were an ordinary industrial process there would be no

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Dear Steven, This could be significant only if DGTG is in some trouble, however they will demonstrate their Hyperions, get them on the market and that's all. Almost equally interesting is their contribution to understanding of LENR Then they will publish more data, independent ones included. Their

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> Mainly their own data, but why are you asking- do you think only independent > data = good? DGTG has reciprocal NDA with independent observers. > in the next paper you will receive these data- I also have a very strict NDA > with them. Hi Peter, I assume the biggest complaint that will be raise

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Mainly their own data, but why are you asking- do you think only independent data = good? DGTG has reciprocal NDA with independent observers. in the next paper you will receive these data- I also have a very strict NDA with them. Peter On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Pete

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Peter Gluck wrote: > From hundreds of watts to kilowatts, do not worry, please. > Peter: Did Defkalion provide you with data collected by independent observers showing watts and kilowatts of anomalous heat? - Jed

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d thing to deduce its function. Hence, > they could have come up with a better catalyst and claim it as their own > innovation. > > Yes, DGT may have a "better" reactor, but only because they ripped off > Rossi's technology and built on it. > > Jojo > > > > >

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Thank you Eric! I hope this is not a new sign of my Alzheimer progressing. I have made the correction. it seems the W-L theory has value and a role in the real LENR story. Peter On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:31 PM, wrote: > > That patent #7,983

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On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:31 PM, wrote: That patent #7,983,414 should be #7,893,414. > I see. It's easy to accidentally mis-transcribe a large number like that. However, do any Ni + neutron --> Cu decays produce gammas? > There appear to be a number of Ni(n,g)Ni gamma decays. I'm not sure

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Eric, That patent #7,983,414 should be #7,893,414. However, do any Ni + neutron --> Cu decays produce gammas? Eric Walker wrote: > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Peter Gluck > wrote: > > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/07/some-basic-principles-of-defkalions.html >> >> This action of pu

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On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 5:46 AM, Peter Gluck wrote: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/07/some-basic-principles-of-defkalions.html > > This action of publishing will continue and we will get fine realistic > answers to questions that have > obsessed us for long years. > It will last a bit longe

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--- Original Message - From: Terry Blanton To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote: Peter maybe being set up for a fall. And their reason would be? T

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ks.. so that they can deny it later on. > Peter maybe being set up for a fall. > > > > Jojo > > > > > > > - Original Message ----- > *From:* Peter Gluck > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 17, 2012 3:39 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG

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On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote: Peter maybe being set up for a fall. > > And their reason would be? T

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Hi Peter, Thank you for sharing your DGTG info with us. Early after the breakup between Defkalion and Rossi, Xanthoulis said he had re-engineered Rossi's core and made many improvements, overcoming the issues Rossi had (at that time) in controlling his reaction. I know this must be a very se

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o that they can deny it later on. Peter maybe being set up for a fall. Jojo - Original Message - From: Peter Gluck To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology The team is working very hard o

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Being a great concern to me, the people and/or organizations that have discovered LENR+ would hold that technology off the market who knows for what reasons. For LENR to develop properly, this important technology needs visibility, credibility, competition, and acceptance in the marketplace. DGTG

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Surely he will be known. But I hope that he was known from before because it would decrease the chances of looking like a famous joke 2012/7/16 Peter Gluck > Dear Daniel, > > More important, he will be a known person after that. > I have not read their presentation- the organizers of ICCF-17

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atts > or even watts of power but the kilowatts they have been advertising. Any > advance general tidbit on that issue? > > Thanks > > Ransom > > - Original Message - > *From:* Peter Gluck > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Sent:* Monday, July 16, 2012 2:39 PM &

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To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology The team is working very hard on this and they will publih the data soon. I have noticed your wish and will try to let you know at least the "spirit" of the re

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Dear Daniel, More important, he will be a known person after that. I have not read their presentation- the organizers of ICCF-17 have helped them to make a presentation of everything they want to show. Peter On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > Peter, whoever is going to annou

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Peter, whoever is going to announce results on ICCS 17, is a known person? Will they present results by independent teams in the name of well known companies? 2012/7/16 Peter Gluck > The team is working very hard on this and they will publih the data soon. > I have noticed your wish and will try

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The team is working very hard on this and they will publih the data soon. I have noticed your wish and will try to let you know at least the "spirit" of the results- they say about the first real theory. Peter On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:50 PM, wrote: > Good work, Peter > > Thanks for the informat

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Good work, Peter Thanks for the informative update. Do you have, or can you get data on the isotopic composition of the reaction products? -- Lou Pagnucco > My dear friends, > > I have just published: > > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/07/some-basic-principles-of-defkalions.html > > This

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One of the comments bears repeating, and rephrasing: 50eV - 300 eV is NOT compatible with WL theory. This is in the UV to extreme UV - the frequency where matter most efficiently absorbs photons; and it's orders of magnitude above thermal photons and below gamma photons. In fact, this spectrum i

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Richard, Read this link On Monday, July 16, 2012, Peter Gluck wrote: > My dear friends, > > I have just published: > > > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/07/some-basic-principles-of-defkalions.html > > This action of publishing will continue and we will get fine realistic > answers to questi