Re: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects

2015-08-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
CB Sites cbsit...@gmail.com wrote: Hii All. Based on pdf and from that question Jed translated, (ie the translation sighted by Jed), it's no worst than an NSF proposal, or NIH proposal. Yes, it seems reasonable. The problem is that all remaining cold fusion researchers in Japan are retired

Re: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects

2015-08-03 Thread CB Sites
Hii All. Based on pdf and from that question Jed translated, (ie the translation sighted by Jed), it's no worst than an NSF proposal, or NIH proposal. The grant writing processes make you jump through hoops, and from that one translation, it doesn't sound out of line with a grant application.

Re: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects

2015-07-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Let me point out that Fleischmann and Pons both worked at government-owned, government-run institutions for their entire careers, as did Mizuno, Srinivasan, Storms, Miles and many others. Most cold fusion research has been paid for by governments and conducted by government employees. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects

2015-07-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote: Once again - nothing wrong with people in large organizations. I am saying they could be more effective if broken down and organized for rapid changes (read adapt to the reality we live in). You are saying people could be more effective, in your

Re: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects

2015-07-31 Thread Lennart Thornros
Hello Jed, Once again - nothing wrong with people in large organizations. I am saying they could be more effective if broken down and organized for rapid changes (read adapt to the reality we live in). I have no problem that many devoted and successful people have government affiliation. On the

Re: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects

2015-07-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
The point I am getting at here is that the early stages of basic research into things like cold fusion are seldom profitable. Corporations seldom do basic research for this reason. There was a time when ATT supported a lot of fundamental research at Bell Labs, and IBM used to do a lot of

Re: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects

2015-07-31 Thread Lennart Thornros
Hello Vincent, I could not agree more. Large and aged private enterprises suffer from the same decease. There is no way that a CEO or department head can make a culture penetrate the organization of age and size. The hope is that even large organizations are allowed to fail. Not like many

Re: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects

2015-07-31 Thread Lennart Thornros
Yes, Jeff only the politician can handle it. BS the reality is that we let them. We accept that we have less and less input on the over all financial operations. I believe that your priority list is accurate, or close enough. Are you happy with that? I am not. I have several reasons in descending

RE: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects

2015-07-31 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Jed, So corporations are pretty much ruled out. They cannot do cold fusion research even if they want to, because it will not lead to immediate profits. Also because the stockholders and Wall Street speculators would be outraged to learn that a corporation is doing cold fusion.

RE: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects

2015-07-30 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Jed: Mizuno informed me that the Japanese government agency NEDO has issued a Request for Proposal (RFP) for projects in cold fusion. The date is 2015, title Energy / Environment New Technology Program http://www.nedo.go.jp/content/100754489.pdf Item D4 on p. 13 here

Re: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects

2015-07-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
I think Mizuno meant that is no one left in Japan who is capable of applying for this grant, or interested in applying for it. The document (http://www.nedo.go.jp/content/100754489.pdf) is entirely in Japanese, but if you look at the pages below 15, you will see the application form. You will

Re: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects

2015-07-30 Thread Lennart Thornros
Jed I like your reaction The conclusion to me is that government is not good at entrepreneurship, innovation or other things not fully understood as the result is part of the task to be delegated. Government by definition cannot delegate. I think Steven's example proves it. That is why risk taking

Re: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects

2015-07-30 Thread Lennart Thornros
OK Jed it was not very well stated. Yes, there are good people all over the place. My point was that in new organizations it is easier to get the culture to stay. If you have clear messages from the top and enthusiasm then it can work. I think - without having any connection worth mentioning -

Re: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects

2015-07-30 Thread Eric Walker
Hi Steven, I'm sympathetic to your feelings about new, inexperienced managers barging in and arrogating to themselves important decisions without the benefit of consulting the people who are in the best position to know what the implications will be. But going beyond that, let me propose that

Re: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects

2015-07-30 Thread Lennart Thornros
. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks *From:* Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2015 4:40 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects Jed I like your reaction

Re: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects

2015-07-30 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: But going beyond that, let me propose that each government is dysfunctional in its unique way, and the primary challenge faced by the US government seems to be that it is overly bureaucratic. I do not want to overstate this. I do not mean that other governments are not also too

RE: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects

2015-07-30 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Hello again Lennart, I wanted to comment on: Example of good result in the government is not enough to convince me that government can handle change and improvements I would say the same criticism applies towards a number of private corporations as well. Jed has been very good at

RE: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects

2015-07-30 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
1960s technology. There's that Internet thing, too. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson OrionWorks.com zazzle.com/orionworks From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 4:40 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion

Re: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects

2015-07-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote: Yes I agree with that NASA did something I would say in spite of being a government organization. Driving forces JFK and W von Braun. Not the organization . That is not a bit true. Most of the NASA people were top notch. The movie Apollo 13 is an

RE: [Vo]:NEDO RFP for cold fusion projects

2015-07-30 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Jed: I did not know Grace Hopper but no one contributed more to software than she did. She was an admiral in the Navy. Back around 1980 when I still had a few visible fledgling feathers I got to see Grace Hopper at a talk she gave in Madison on one of her numerous speaking