RE: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air!

2008-10-28 Thread Remi Cornwall
all [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 October 2008 01:06 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air! I'll work it out for you tomorrow after I've done some main work. I map out how I will calculate in the morning. It's not that trivial and runs

RE: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air!

2008-10-28 Thread Remi Cornwall
:30 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air! I take it none of you guys has been in Indian traffic or seen the typical vehicle mix. A compressed air car would be perfect for India. Even on the highways the speed limit is 60 kph, roughly 40 mph. It's never th

RE: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air!

2008-10-28 Thread Michael Foster
I take it none of you guys has been in Indian traffic or seen the typical vehicle mix. A compressed air car would be perfect for India. Even on the highways the speed limit is 60 kph, roughly 40 mph. It's never that high in the cities. Imagine the type of traffic you get when no one pays any

RE: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air!

2008-10-28 Thread Remi Cornwall
nks outside the box) -Original Message- From: Remi Cornwall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 October 2008 21:12 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air! It's obvious. The air is a storage medium which has been compressed adiabatically then a

RE: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air!

2008-10-28 Thread Remi Cornwall
ir engines". Piece of piss to do. -Original Message- From: Remi Cornwall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 October 2008 20:51 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air! Seriously about the ice... Could not a form of regenerative braking be achieved?

RE: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air!

2008-10-28 Thread Remi Cornwall
Seriously about the ice... Could not a form of regenerative braking be achieved? -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 October 2008 20:42 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air! I would like to suggest that we

Re: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air!

2008-10-28 Thread Terry Blanton
I would like to suggest that we no longer refer to the infernal combustion engine as an ICE. Water ice is such a marvelous and beautiful material and is degraded by the acronym. I believe it would be more appropriate to refer to the combustion engine as an IC engine. "Icky" better describes the

Re: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air!

2008-10-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Edmund Storms wrote: > OK, perhaps I was too power hungry. However, my point is that the ICE in > an air car would have to be more than a toy. If the ICE is equal to > that of a Prius, which is big enough, why not buy a Prius or the cheep > Chinese version? I dunno -- I've never driven a compre

Re: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air!

2008-10-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: If the ICE is equal to that of a Prius, which is big enough, why not buy a Prius or the cheep Chinese version? Well, the air motor might be cheaper, and it has a remarkably long range at low speeds. This kind of series hybrid engine design is simpler than a parallel desi

RE: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air!

2008-10-28 Thread Remi Cornwall
> OK, perhaps I was too power hungry. ROFL You get lots of ICE when you release compressed air! On Oct 28, 2008, at 2:13 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Edmund Storms wrote: > >> A normal car needs at least 100 hp to meet the needs of speed and >> hills in the US. > > The Prius ICE delivers 70 hp

Re: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air!

2008-10-28 Thread Edmund Storms
OK, perhaps I was too power hungry. However, my point is that the ICE in an air car would have to be more than a toy. If the ICE is equal to that of a Prius, which is big enough, why not buy a Prius or the cheep Chinese version? Ed On Oct 28, 2008, at 2:13 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmun

Re: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air!

2008-10-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms wrote: A normal car needs at least 100 hp to meet the needs of speed and hills in the US. The Prius ICE delivers 70 hp max. As Stephen A. Lawrence pointed out, small cars such as the older VWs had 35 hp motors, and kept up with traffic. However they were kind of dangerous at

Re: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air!

2008-10-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Edmund Storms wrote: > > ... A normal car needs at least 100 hp to meet > the needs of speed and hills in the US. This is a startling statement. I submit that the word "needs" is an UNDEFINED TERM in the sentence, as is the word "normal". Speed limits are no higher than they were a few decad

Re: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air!

2008-10-28 Thread OrionWorks
Ed sez: As you say, it is another way to build a hybrid. However, this one has two engines, one running from compressed air and another running using gasoline to pump more air into the first engine. Is compressing air more efficient than putting electric energy in a battery?

Re: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air!

2008-10-28 Thread Edmund Storms
On Oct 28, 2008, at 12:03 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Edmund Storms wrote: I suppose a top speed of 35 mph on flat roads with a small car makes technological sense and perhaps practical sense in India. However, who in the US would want such a toy? First of all, if we can judge by t

Re: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air!

2008-10-28 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Edmund Storms wrote: > I suppose a top speed of 35 mph on flat roads with a small car makes > technological sense and perhaps practical sense in India. However, who > in the US would want such a toy? First of all, if we can judge by the success of Zenn and a couple other companies selling guss

Re: [Vo]:Tata Motors - full of compressed air!

2008-10-28 Thread Edmund Storms
I suppose a top speed of 35 mph on flat roads with a small car makes technological sense and perhaps practical sense in India. However, who in the US would want such a toy? Ed On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:19 AM, OrionWorks wrote: See: http://www.kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archi