Re: Secrecy for a short time, it might be wise.

2004-07-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mike Carrell writes: > Wise remarks from Hoyt. Jed is a programmer, and in his logical world one > can reverse engineer code, in fact there are programs that will give one a > good start. Of course I realize that machines or experiments can be much more difficult to reverse engineer than software,

Re: Secrecy for a short time

2004-07-07 Thread Nick Palmer
My point was not that any machine cannot be reverse engineered or even that the theory behind construction of devices could be kept secret for a long time. It was that a working machine correctly demonstrated to the right people (that is why I suggested that Mark should give Jed a few) would unleas

RE: Secrecy for a short time

2004-07-06 Thread Steven Vincent Johnson
> From: Mike Carrell > > >From: Steve Johnson wrote: > > > > > I googled "Tastatika machines" and was directed to one link > > containing an interesting interview on "free energy" device > > between Hans Holzherr and Stefan Hartmann. I presume this device > > has already been discussed at some len

Re: Secrecy for a short time

2004-07-06 Thread Mike Carrell
Steve wrote: > > I googled "Tastatika machines" and was directed to one link containing an > interesting interview on "free energy" device between Hans Holzherr and > Stefan Hartmann. I presume this device has already been discussed at some > length within vortex-l? I just read the same interview

RE: Secrecy for a short time

2004-07-06 Thread Johnson, Steven
Hi Mike, > From: Mike Carrell > There is also the case of the 100 monkeys. Naturalists observed that > monkeys on an island developed the habit of washing their food before > eating it. On a nearby, but isolated, island monkeys did not wash their > food -- until suddenly they all did, as if t

Re: Secrecy for a short time

2004-07-06 Thread Mike Carrell
Stephen wrote: > Nick Palmer writes: > > > As long as you keep the THEORY behind the construction of the machines > secret > > In various "psi" experiments, rats on one side of the world were trained in > how to escape a particular maze. Miraculously (or not, depending on your > viewpoint) other

Re: Secrecy for a short time, it might be wise.

2004-07-06 Thread Mike Carrell
Wise remarks from Hoyt. Jed is a programmer, and in his logical world one can reverse engineer code, in fact there are programs that will give one a good start. An added note about one of Hoyt's examples: > Rolls Royce bought the design of an automatic transmission from an > american company. > T

RE: Secrecy for a short time

2004-07-06 Thread Johnson, Steven
> Nick Palmer writes: > > > As long as you keep the THEORY behind the construction of > > the machines secret > > In various "psi" experiments, rats on one side of the world > were trained in how to escape a particular maze. Miraculously > (or not, depending on your > viewpoint) other rats in

Re: Secrecy for a short time

2004-07-06 Thread Stephen Lawrence
Nick Palmer writes: > As long as you keep the THEORY behind the construction of the machines secret In various "psi" experiments, rats on one side of the world were trained in how to escape a particular maze. Miraculously (or not, depending on your viewpoint) other rats in other parts of the wo

RE: Secrecy for a short time, it might be wise.

2004-07-05 Thread William Beaty
On Sun, 4 Jul 2004, Mark Goldes wrote: > I'm surprised at your rant. Well, I'm suprised that you're suprised (and I'm also suprised that you're confident that OU development is just another example of normal inventions and normal patent procedures.) > Companies and inventors who have not releas

Re: Secrecy for a short time, it might be wise.

2004-07-05 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
Steam engines were developed before the science of thermodynamics. In fact, as I recall, thermodynamics was a result of the steam engine. I have worked on several projects where reverse engineering would have been unlikely. There are many subtleties of some devices that are almost impossible to

Re: Secrecy for a short time, it might be wise.

2004-07-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Nick Palmer writes: > People like Bill and Jed retain their scepticism for a very > good reason. They have had experience, or have knowledge, of how literally > hundreds of "free energy" type schemes have worked out. Yup. Bill's essay is excellent. The Manning book describes many examp

RE: Secrecy for a short time, it might be wise.

2004-07-05 Thread Keith Nagel
he vortex list. K. -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 11:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Secrecy for a short time, it might be wise. Nick Palmer writes: > engineerable" by a competitor but this is not import

Re: Secrecy for a short time, it might be wise.

2004-07-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Nick Palmer writes: > engineerable" by a competitor but this is not important. As long as you keep > the THEORY behind the construction of the machines secret (unless it would > be very obvious to infer it from the machines themselves) . . . The machine would be an expression or embodiment of the t

Re: Secrecy for a short time, it might be wise.

2004-07-05 Thread Grimer
At 10:08 am 05-07-04 +0100, you wrote: >Sorry about the capitalisation later on... > >Bill Beatty wrote to Mark G >opinions you express here are a rare lack of good judgement>> > >Hi Mark, > People like Bill and Jed retain their scepticism for a very >good reason. They have had ex

Re: Secrecy for a short time, it might be wise.

2004-07-05 Thread Nick Palmer
Sorry about the capitalisation later on... Bill Beatty wrote to Mark G <> Hi Mark, People like Bill and Jed retain their scepticism for a very good reason. They have had experience, or have knowledge, of how literally hundreds of "free energy" type schemes have worked out. They are p

RE: Secrecy for a short time, it might be wise.

2004-07-04 Thread Mark Goldes
Dear Bill, I'm surprised at your rant. Companies and inventors who have not released results publically have patent lawyers who understand the law. I assure you there will be no secrecy on our part once machines are in production and I believe that will be next year. There is every intention of