Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-12-03 Thread James / Hans Kunz
you may use time zone of Seoul/Korea to get the 1h shift if you can't find Osaka in your list James On 02/12/2006, at 16:55, Ronda Brown wrote: On 02/12/2006, at 3:28 PM, Gordon Campbell wrote: Because I probably missed it somewhere in the thread, I do have an On Topic question. Is there

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-12-02 Thread Ronda Brown
On 02/12/2006, at 3:28 PM, Gordon Campbell wrote: Because I probably missed it somewhere in the thread, I do have an On Topic question. Is there any patch for Mac OS X to do this changeover automatically (like is available for Windows XP) or are we stuck with fudging it ourselves? No Pat

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-12-02 Thread Gordon Campbell
Because I probably missed it somewhere in the thread, I do have an On Topic question. Is there any patch for Mac OS X to do this changeover automatically (like is available for Windows XP) or are we stuck with fudging it ourselves? Paul wrote: Malcolm McCallum wrote: I will be the pony :-)

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-12-02 Thread Paul
Malcolm McCallum wrote: I will be the pony :-) ? (W.A.M.S.B.U.G) Hehe, hi Mac, theres always one ;-) West Australian Mac Soap Box User's Group - democracy is alive yet! Now lets have a Socialism vs Conservatism thread sorry just joking. I know I'm bad ;-) Cheers Paul

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-12-02 Thread Malcolm McCallum
I will be the pony :-) ? (W.A.M.S.B.U.G Mac On 02/12/2006, at 7:49 AM, Paul wrote: Hi all Sorry to bump this thread but I feel left out ;-) (dodges rotten tomatoes) I agree with Roger about the levels of feeling some folk have on this. I honestly thought people were joking, I still choose

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-12-02 Thread Reg Whitely
Hi All Can't resist a brief comment and weblink too. On 2 Dec 2006, at 7:49am, Paul wrote: 44 polls 8 yes votes, thats 18%. If I was a betting politician, I'd take that ;-) http://www.aec.gov.au/_content/when/referendums/dates.htm I promise I will post no more on this :-) Ah, statistics;

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-12-02 Thread Paul
Hi all Sorry to bump this thread but I feel left out ;-) (dodges rotten tomatoes) I agree with Roger about the levels of feeling some folk have on this. I honestly thought people were joking, I still choose to believe there was a little tongue in cheek... Seriously though, referendums imho ar

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-12-01 Thread Geoffrey & Barbara Maidment
I have a suggestion...why don't we leave this daylight savings stuff alone and get back to worrying about our computers? Have enjoyed the banter, but let's move on. Barb On 1/12/06 3:38 PM, "J Philippe Chaperon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Rod & everyone, > > Sorry to say this, but using

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-12-01 Thread J Philippe Chaperon
Hi Rod & everyone, Sorry to say this, but using that logic where time difference with the Eastern States means lots of money lost, why not advance our clocks to the Eastern States Standard time? That way your clients will never loose valuable time .. and the almighty $$$. And why not do it in

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-12-01 Thread Rod Lavington
On 1/12/06 11:19 AM, "Kelly Duffy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I tried not to join in, but why not! > > I don't want it. > > When I worked with horses, a long time ago, the daylight in the > morning was far more useful than at night. When you're up at 4-5am you > don't want it any darker. I

Re: Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-12-01 Thread Kelly Duffy
I tried not to join in, but why not! I don't want it. When I worked with horses, a long time ago, the daylight in the morning was far more useful than at night. When you're up at 4-5am you don't want it any darker. I expect it's the same for a lot of people that don't work standard 9-5 jobs. No

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-12-01 Thread Roger P Kortas
well said I can't believe all the passion that this has invoked and the real important things no one seems to care!! > > Original Message >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: wamug@wamug.org.au >Subject: Re: Daylight Saving OT >Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 10:56:36 +0800 &g

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-12-01 Thread Mark Secker
sigh, if only we could motivate the middle classes to care and be as vocal about real issues like rural health and education and pollution as they are over daylight saving then we would truly be the envy of nations the world over -- ~ Mark Secker Computer Support Officer ph# 61-8-6488 1855 (

Re: Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-12-01 Thread James Devenish
Hi, Anyone notice that the WA Government site links to which just links to a general article about changing your clock...? For those who have read Derek's articles, does the advice on the WA site relate to it okay

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-12-01 Thread Neil Houghton
Couldn't resist another 2c worth. Our democratic system certainly doesn't work by us voting on every regulation/policy that concerns us - we elect politicians who we hope have the best vision to govern our society and set appropriate policies, etc (shame about the choice we have to vote for someti

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-11-30 Thread J Philippe Chaperon
Hi Everyone, Well, we live in a democracy and we are free to like it or not. What some have been questioning though is the fact that the WA parliament voted to introduce daylight savings although the majority voted against it. Maybe next they'll vote to introduce a 3-year trial of no alcohol in th

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-11-30 Thread Alexia Langley
Couldn't resist my two bits :) Some of us have never had the chance to vote on this, this will be the first time we can, and I'll be voting yes. I don't see what all the fuss is about, daylight savings works over east and in countries a over the world. I was indifferent towards it until I li

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-11-29 Thread Michael Kane Taylor
I have no particular objection to Daylight Saving. But I imagine that those living in the northern tropics would find it completely pointless and insane. Michael Ph: 61 (0)8 9498 0952 Mob: 0406 760 696 Skype: Mikanta http://www.kanetaylor.id.au

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-11-29 Thread Roger
OK there is always going to be different opinions and that's fine. I suppose I have lived more than half my life with day light saving and I like it. So of course I am as biased as everyone is. The way it was done was not good but it is now done. Bear in mind I work at the West and this means

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-11-29 Thread Rob Davies
Wow its so nice to get some sane comments, really just try it and if you don't like it then you will have a chance to vote. If I am not mistaken we already did vote last election, and it was a resounding NO. I am not in favour of the later sleeping pattern due to excessive late night heat,

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-11-29 Thread Brett Carboni
I'm telling my mate from Osaka to set his time to Osaka time. Even though I hate non daylight saving time (missed another Eastern States phone call today as I get up late in this game) I don't agree that they did what they did. Democracy means people get to vote even if they're wrong (IMHO)

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-11-29 Thread Reg Whitely
Hey, Roger, wait a minute. We've voted twice by referendum. The vote was "No". Now our politicians take control and say our vote was unworthy. That is, they don't care about popular choice (Vox populii?). They have negated popular consensus. You suggest we wait and vote on it. That's after

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-11-29 Thread Roger
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> From: Jude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: Daylight Saving OT >> Cc: >> Bcc: wamug >> X-Attachments: >> >>> On 29/11/2006, at 4:47 PM, James Devenish wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> season

Fwd: Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-11-29 Thread Jude
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:26:21 +0800 To: Robert Howells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: Jude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Daylight Saving OT Cc: Bcc: wamug X-Attachments: On 29/11/2006, at 4:47 PM, James Devenish wrote: seasonal retail behaviour might change, and certain busines

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-11-29 Thread Jude
On 29/11/2006, at 4:47 PM, James Devenish wrote: seasonal retail behaviour might change, and certain business might like to stay open longer to compensate? I wonder what, if anything, happens in the Eastern states? Trading hours stay the same in the East. They open at nine and close at five

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-11-29 Thread Neil Houghton
Isn't is amazing the depth of feeling this issue generates! I'm not excluding myself here - I hadn't been is WA long when the last daylight saving trial was introduced and it made an amazing difference to my life - for the better in my case! Reason - I tended to work late anyway and before daylig

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-11-29 Thread Robert Howells
On 29/11/2006, at 4:47 PM, James Devenish wrote: Hi, So the question was...if daylight saving does what its propoents claim, then people will spend an extra hour on recreation, thus seasonal retail behaviour might change, and certain business might like to stay open longer to compensate? I won

Re: Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-11-29 Thread James Devenish
Hi, So the question was...if daylight saving does what its propoents claim, then people will spend an extra hour on recreation, thus seasonal retail behaviour might change, and certain business might like to stay open longer to compensate? I wonder what, if anything, happens in the Eastern states

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-11-29 Thread Robert Howells
On 29/11/2006, at 1:16 AM, Brett Carboni wrote: I'll be happy for an extra hour of darkness (I get to bed at 4am sometimes and it's getting light so harder to sleep). Yep ! I'm sure you would , but will it happen ? IF that's IF... people decide to use the extra daylight and then

Re: Daylight Saving OT

2006-11-29 Thread Brett Carboni
I'll be happy for an extra hour of darkness (I get to bed at 4am sometimes and it's getting light so harder to sleep). BTW has anybody received their new 17" MBP yet? Brett Carboni Tsunami "Now with more time to eat your sushi" On 28/11/2006, at 5:04 PM, Hugh Griffiths wrote: Bob, do you re

RE: Daylight Saving OT

2006-11-28 Thread Hugh Griffiths
Bob, do you really think that the temperature of the day will change? Surely not??? Best Regards Hugh Griffiths -Original Message- From: WAMUG Mailing List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Howells Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:51 PM To: WAMUG Mailing List Subject: Re