Greetings all,
I kind of like Mike¹s idea, and probably there is room for a couple
alternatives. By default for classroom or enterprise deployment, I would
think that Kieran¹s template for /Application, /Developer,
/Developer/Hudson, and /Library/Tomcat makes perfectly good sense.For
user
Ok -
I convinced this company to get a mac. That gave us a three year old macbook
running snow leopard.
so... where is the all-in-one installer located for snow leopard?
Thanks
James
On Oct 10, 2010, at 4:08 AM, ISHIMOTO Ken wrote:
My installation is in my MacBook Pro is:
Harddisk 1 :
My installation is in my MacBook Pro is:
Harddisk 1 : System and default Application that comes with OS X
Harddisk 2 : My User Folder with ~/Application (All Application with Eclipse)
1. That makes it more easy to switch to a new machine
2. Make clones from System Data int different Storage,
I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. Why would
we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up and running
install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure ~/Applications is
_better_ but it's not _normal_.
If they're advanced enough to
I think Lachlan's point about permissions is the reason to do this ... If you
put it in /Applications, you WILL run into problems, because the natural
permissions are to be o-w. Because Eclipse has no concept of privilege
escalation, it would then be impossible for you to install new plugins
I agree with Dave on this one.
Timo
Am 07.10.2010 um 13:54 schrieb David Avendasora:
I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by
default. Why would we make an installer that's targeted at getting
new users up and running install in a place other than the normal /
I have not shared MY development machine(s) with other people for as long as I
can remember, so I've installed Eclipse in /Applications. Not that I'm
advocating for this...
Do you guys actually share your machines with other developers?
Paul
On Oct 7, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Timo Hoepfner wrote:
On a complete tangent:
Mike's wo setup script is AWESOME.
http://gist.github.com/610081
Anyone want a double-clickable wrapper built around this?
On 2010-10-07, at 9:54 AM, Paul D Yu wrote:
I have not shared MY development machine(s) with other people for as long as
I can remember, so I've
I don't share my machine (and I kind of doubt anyone does), but it does feel
dirty to have an installer that puts a writable application into /Applications.
We really only have two choices here:
1) /Applications/Eclipse.app and world(ish) writable
2) ~/Applications/Eclipse.app and slightly
it's in the not pretty but gets the job done category ...
ms
On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:00 AM, David LeBer wrote:
On a complete tangent:
Mike's wo setup script is AWESOME.
http://gist.github.com/610081
Anyone want a double-clickable wrapper built around this?
On 2010-10-07, at 9:54 AM,
btw -- a little pro-tip ... download the eclipse tar.gz yourself and drop it in
~/Sites, then change the script to point to
http://localhost/~you/eclipsetar.gz. then you can spit out new eclipse
folders really quickly -- you just take the hit to download plugins (which
isn't too bad).
ms
How many of you who gave an opinion actually USE the all-in-one installer?
Probably not many? Who is the target audience for this? Where would they
expect to find it?
John
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Le 2010-10-07 à 10:24, John Huss a écrit :
How many of you who gave an opinion actually USE the all-in-one installer?
Probably not many?
I don't.
Who is the target audience for this?
People new to WebObjects.
Where would they expect to find it?
From wocommunity.org and the wiki.
Yep, same here ... keeping everything (Eclipse, WO Roots with different
versions, framework install locations, etc.) means painless migrations to new
machines, which for speed-thirsty devs can mean once per year usually.
On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:55 PM, Q wrote:
On 07/10/2010, at 10:38 AM,
I think a double-clickable wrapper is a rocking idea.
On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:00 AM, David LeBer wrote:
On a complete tangent:
Mike's wo setup script is AWESOME.
http://gist.github.com/610081
Anyone want a double-clickable wrapper built around this?
On 2010-10-07, at 9:54 AM, Paul D
David,
I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree with Mike and others. ;-)
In summary 2 good reasons for installing in ~/Applications, considering that
novice/intermediate users are the ones we are trying to make life easy for.
1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep writeable in user dir.
I have put eclipse into /Applications forever and I've never had a single
problem with permissions. I think that is a non-issue.
John
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kieran Kelleher kelleh...@gmail.com wrote:
David,
I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree with Mike and others. ;-)
In
I don't
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:24 AM, John Huss johnth...@gmail.com wrote:
How many of you who gave an opinion actually USE the all-in-one installer?
Probably not many?
Probably zero.
Who is the target audience for this?
New users.
Where would they expect to find
That's because you either made it world-writable or you run as an admin user,
either of which is kind of evil.
ms
On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:53 AM, John Huss wrote:
I have put eclipse into /Applications forever and I've never had a single
problem with permissions. I think that is a non-issue.
I agree with John. I understand that there could -possibly- be issues with
permissions in /Applications, but I've never run into them, and I don't recall
anyone posting to the list with those types of problems.
I can write to my Eclipse directory just fine in /Applications. Installing
plugins
How do 99% of all Mac users run? I'm guessing as admin users (there's a little
evil in all of us).
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Mike Schrag msch...@pobox.com wrote:
That's because you either made it world-writable or you run as an admin user,
either of which is kind of
I agree with John. I understand that there could -possibly- be issues with
permissions in /Applications, but I've never run into them, and I don't
recall anyone posting to the list with those types of problems.
I can write to my Eclipse directory just fine in /Applications. Installing
Doesn't mean we need to be complicit in their terrible life decisions. And, I
would wager that developers would be tend to be more discerning with respect to
permissions. I think this is officially a religious argument at this point. I
nominate that Jeremy just does whatever makes him feel good
On 2010-10-07, at 11:18 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
Doesn't mean we need to be complicit in their terrible life decisions. And, I
would wager that developers would be tend to be more discerning with respect
to permissions. I think this is officially a religious argument at this
point. I
dleber_wo...@codeferous.com wrote:
From: David LeBer dleber_wo...@codeferous.com
Subject: Re: TurnKey Installer Components
To: woproject-...@objectstyle.org
Cc: WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 11:21 AM
On 2010-10-07, at 11:18
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Mike Schrag msch...@pobox.com wrote:
I think this is officially a religious argument at this point.
Mike's commandments:
1) Thou shalt not write to /Applications
2) Thou shalt not put an alias on the desktop
3) Thou shalt not run as an admin user
If thou
Well, quite frankly I don't care for kittens.
Allergic, in fact.
:)
On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
Doesn't mean we need to be complicit in their terrible life decisions. And, I
would wager that developers would be tend to be more discerning with respect
to permissions. I
Just for my education, now.
So when I setup my clean machine from Apple, I should not use the default user
and be create a separate user? not not give the new user admin rights?
Paul
On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:50 AM, John Huss wrote:
3) Thou shalt not run as an admin user
what are the other seven?
On 2010-10-07, at 11:50 AM, John Huss wrote:
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Mike Schrag msch...@pobox.com wrote:
I think this is officially a religious argument at this point.
Mike's commandments:
1) Thou shalt not write to /Applications
2) Thou shalt not
That's the more secure way...
So...I've managed a few macs in my day, and created custom imageslots of IT
work.
Generally speaking, you don't let business users run as admins. Not that they
CANT do admin things (with an admin account ID and password), just that
they're not an admin off
Just for my education, now.
So when I setup my clean machine from Apple, I should not use the default
user and be create a separate user? not not give the new user admin rights?
yep -- the user i setup when i create a machine is Administrator, then I make
a regular user who does not have
: TurnKey Installer Components
To: woproject-...@objectstyle.org
Cc: WebObjects-Dev Mailing List List webobjects-dev@lists.apple.com
Date: Thursday, October 7, 2010, 11:21 AM
On 2010-10-07, at 11:18 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
Doesn't mean we need to be complicit in their terrible
life decisions
what are the other seven?
They are less relevant to this conversation, but I think they are something
like:
4) Thou shalt not use Maven
5) Thou shalt not use Jar frameworks
6) Thou shalt not develop on Windows
7) Thou shalt not use WO 5.4... oops, nevermind
Someone else will have to help with
How about making it a preference in the installer, something like:
a) for All Users (put it in /Applications),
b) for this User only (put it in ~/Applications) ?
This way the user should be in control, so everybody is happy and kittens will
be spared.
-ck
On Oct 7, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Mike
If someone wants it somewhere else, then maybe they can just drag it from
~/Applications to wherever they want to put it in.
:-)
On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Christos Konidaris wrote:
How about making it a preference in the installer, something like:
a) for All Users (put it in
YOU CAN DO THAT???
;-)
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Ricardo J. Parada rpar...@mac.com wrote:
If someone wants it somewhere else, then maybe they can just drag it from
~/Applications to wherever they want to put it in.
:-)
On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Christos Konidaris wrote:
How
My thought exactly. The new user would not be sure if it will break something
by moving things around.
-ck
On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:45 PM, John Huss wrote:
YOU CAN DO THAT???
;-)
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Ricardo J. Parada rpar...@mac.com wrote:
If someone wants it somewhere else,
If he wants to move it somewhere else then he's probably an advanced user.
When I install Eclipse it ends up in my ~/Downloads folder. Then I drag it to
where I want it to reside in /Developer/Applications. I have write permissions
to that folder.
I've seen the Finder ask the user to
On 7/Oct/2010, at 9:37 AM, Christos Konidaris wrote:
a) for All Users (put it in /Applications),
b) for this User only (put it in ~/Applications) ?
Um, option a) is asking for troubles because of the previous mentioned
permissions problems when multiple users attempt to install/update plugins.
Le 2010-10-07 à 12:21, John Huss a écrit :
what are the other seven?
They are less relevant to this conversation, but I think they are something
like:
4) Thou shalt not use Maven
5) Thou shalt not use Jar frameworks
6) Thou shalt not develop on Windows
7) Thou shalt not use WO
Emacs!
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When I was first trying out eclipse, I was on a multi user machine with eclipse
in /Applications. I couldn't work out why sometimes a user could install
plugins and sometimes a user couldn't. As a Mac user I never expected it to be
important which user had installed the original application
So...from the old installer fileshere is a list of what was installed in
the past (some components optional)
1) Eclipse (whatever)
2) WOLips (stable)
3) EOGenerator Templates (I believe these are no longer needed by anyone???)
4) Launchd scripts for wotaskd and womonitor
5) Wonder Frameworks
Le 2010-10-06 à 15:17, Jeremy Matthews a écrit :
So...from the old installer fileshere is a list of what was installed in
the past (some components optional)
1) Eclipse (whatever)
2) WOLips (stable)
3) EOGenerator Templates (I believe these are no longer needed by anyone???)
4)
And the mod_WebObjects adaptor compiled for snow leopard.
John
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Pascal Robert prob...@macti.ca wrote:
Le 2010-10-06 à 15:17, Jeremy Matthews a écrit :
So...from the old installer fileshere is a list of what was installed
in the past (some components
And what is the consensus on the location for Eclipse?
Last thread made me feel like we're leaning towards /Applications...
/Applications
/Developer
other?
Thanks,
jeremy
On Oct 6, 2010, at 3:43 PM, John Huss wrote:
And the mod_WebObjects adaptor compiled for snow leopard.
John
On Wed,
On 6/Oct/2010, at 2:06 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
I'm a /Developer/Applications fan, personally ... I also like shuffling the
config around so I only have an Eclipse.app and the plugins and configuration
folders are inside the bundle.
Ick, clearly NOT someone who erases and installs every new
On 07/10/2010, at 8:48 AM, Mark Ritchie wrote:
On 6/Oct/2010, at 2:06 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
I'm a /Developer/Applications fan, personally ... I also like shuffling the
config around so I only have an Eclipse.app and the plugins and
configuration folders are inside the bundle.
Ick,
Thinking like a complete noob, I'd put it in Applications.
Dave
On Oct 6, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
I'm a /Developer/Applications fan, personally ... I also like shuffling the
config around so I only have an Eclipse.app and the plugins and configuration
folders are inside the
Like Lachlan, I install eclipse in ~/Applications. If you have more than one
user on your Mac using eclipse, but only one installation of eclipse, you have
all sorts of permissions problems when each one is installing their own plugins.
Tim
On 07/10/2010, at 7:55 AM, Lachlan Deck wrote:
On
I put dev apps in ~/Applications
and everything to do with development in ~/Developer
Regards, Kieran
On Oct 6, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
And what is the consensus on the location for Eclipse?
Last thread made me feel like we're leaning towards /Applications...
I install eclipse in ~/Developer/Applications/
On 07/10/2010, at 7:00 AM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
And what is the consensus on the location for Eclipse?
Last thread made me feel like we're leaning towards /Applications...
/Applications
/Developer
other?
Thanks,
jeremy
On Oct 6,
So it sounds like the majority is ~/something ... I think ~/Applications is a
reasonable choice.
ms
On Oct 6, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Q wrote:
I install eclipse in ~/Developer/Applications/
On 07/10/2010, at 7:00 AM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
And what is the consensus on the location for
On 07/10/2010, at 10:38 AM, Stephen R. Smith wrote:
FWIW - I'm also a /Developer/Applications fan.
I'm the only user on my machines, so I don't use ~/Applications at all.
Office and Photoshop aren't really dev apps, so they logically belong in
/Applications. Conversely, Xcode and Eclipse
I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and forgot to
copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my home directory
instead.
If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home directory I
would have no reason to keep it there also.
I had no idea what I was getting myself intoheh.
This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do ~/Applications...maybe
offer a choice...dunno yet.
-j
On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and forgot to
copy
On 07/10/2010, at 11:38 AM, Stephen R. Smith wrote:
FWIW - I'm also a /Developer/Applications fan.
I'm the only user on my machines, so I don't use ~/Applications at all.
Office and Photoshop aren't really dev apps, so they logically belong in
/Applications. Conversely, Xcode and Eclipse
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