Data extraction? isn't that brain surgery?
Don
On Oct 10, 2009, at 9:38 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Oct 10, 2009, at 11:58 AM, David Holt wrote:
On 2009-10-10, at 10:53 AM, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Oct 10, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Guido Neitzer wrote:
On 9. Oct. 2009, at 22:30 , Stephane Guyot wro
On Oct 10, 2009, at 11:58 AM, David Holt wrote:
On 2009-10-10, at 10:53 AM, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Oct 10, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Guido Neitzer wrote:
On 9. Oct. 2009, at 22:30 , Stephane Guyot wrote:
today I don't believe the challenge is on the server anymore.
As long as you can't
I think we already fulfilled all requirements for international consideration
today - we had multiple links to French sites that I didn't even bother to
understand. :-)
Tim
UCLA GSE&IS
On Oct 10, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Miguel Arroz wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Would you please use the metric system? Celsius
Hi!
Would you please use the metric system? Celsius anyone? :P
Yours
Miguel Arroz
On 2009/10/10, at 20:20, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Oct 10, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
So many WO-devs on the list on a Saturday how about that?!
Sad, isn't it? My excuse is that I live
LOL :-)
On Oct 10, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Oct 10, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
So many WO-devs on the list on a Saturday how about that?!
Sad, isn't it? My excuse is that I live on the other coast and just
dragged myself out of a warm, soft bed.
Too
On Oct 10, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
So many WO-devs on the list on a Saturday how about that?!
Sad, isn't it? My excuse is that I live on the other coast and just
dragged myself out of a warm, soft bed.
Too cold outside for you in the frozen tundras of the north
On 2009-10-10, at 10:53 AM, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Oct 10, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Guido Neitzer wrote:
On 9. Oct. 2009, at 22:30 , Stephane Guyot wrote:
today I don't believe the challenge is on the server anymore.
As long as you can't pull the data out of the user's nose,
I believe
So many WO-devs on the list on a Saturday how about that?!
Too cold outside for you in the frozen tundras of the north Chuck?! ;-)
Well, since this is the time of year to dig Chuck about preparing for
his very cold winter in the frozen tundras of the north, let me say
that I am now goin
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Joe Little wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Chuck Hill wrote:
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>> On Oct 10, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Guido Neitzer wrote:
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>>> On 9. Oct. 2009, at 22:30 , Stephane Guyot wrote:
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today I don't believe the challenge is on the server anymore.
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Chuck Hill wrote:
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> On Oct 10, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Guido Neitzer wrote:
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>> On 9. Oct. 2009, at 22:30 , Stephane Guyot wrote:
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>>> today I don't believe the challenge is on the server anymore.
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>> As long as you can't pull the data out of the user's n
On Oct 10, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Guido Neitzer wrote:
On 9. Oct. 2009, at 22:30 , Stephane Guyot wrote:
today I don't believe the challenge is on the server anymore.
As long as you can't pull the data out of the user's nose,
And when you can, I think, I shall retire.
--
Chuck Hill
On 9. Oct. 2009, at 22:30 , Stephane Guyot wrote:
today I don't believe the challenge is on the server anymore.
As long as you can't pull the data out of the user's nose, the
challenge will always be on the server. The presentation layer might
not be assembled on the server anymore
le.org/confluence/display/WO/WebObjects+with+Scala
IMHO Scala is to Java what Objective-C was to C.
My first impressions of Scala is akin to what i felt about
Objective-C when i first discovered it 15 yrs ago...
interesting...
For most developers i suspect that a sore-point of usin
On 10/10/2009, at 4:30 PM, Stephane Guyot wrote:
Interesting thread
today I don't believe the challenge is on the server anymore.
I don't agree. Certainly the presentation layer is a changing
landscape nowadays but the server-side will continue to remain an
important
is...Java.
So maybe you need to look at Java-alternatives not WO-
alternatives :)
Yeah, Java is certainly one point of consideration for its lack of
dynamism. Certainly utilising Groovy or Scala could help here.
But honestly I believe the major sore point (if there be one
amongst the surveys) i
C was to C.
My first impressions of Scala is akin to what i felt about
Objective-C when i first discovered it 15 yrs ago...
interesting...
For most developers i suspect that a sore-point of using
WebObjects nowadays is...Java.
So maybe you need to look at Java-alternatives not WO-alternatives :)
On 9. Oct. 2009, at 07:38 , Pascal Robert wrote:
In fact, we should tell people that we don't use WO, we should tell
people that we develop with Eclipse and open source frameworks
(Wonder/LEWOStuff/Houdah/other).
You're late to the game. I was telling some customers since eight
years that
i felt about Objective-
C when i first discovered it 15 yrs ago...
interesting...
For most developers i suspect that a sore-point of using WebObjects
nowadays is...Java.
So maybe you need to look at Java-alternatives not WO-alternatives :)
Yeah, Java is certainly one point of consid
it 15 yrs ago...
For most developers i suspect that a sore-point of using WebObjects nowadays
is...Java.
So maybe you need to look at Java-alternatives not WO-alternatives :)
Thanks,
Ravi
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On Oct 9, 2009, at 10:02 AM, David Holt wrote:
Yeah, but we can't READ them :-)
Please note:
These ebooks are not compatible with Apple MacIntosh or Linux systems.
There is always Old Skool:
http://www.amazon.com/Good-Calories-Bad-Gary-Taubes/dp/1400040787
Better science in that one too.
Yeah, but we can't READ them :-)
Please note:
These ebooks are not compatible with Apple MacIntosh or Linux systems.
On 9-Oct-09, at 9:51 AM, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Oct 9, 2009, at 8:14 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
Le 09-10-09 à 11:09, Mike Schrag a écrit :
If Apple decided to NEVER ship an
On Oct 9, 2009, at 8:14 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
Le 09-10-09 à 11:09, Mike Schrag a écrit :
If Apple decided to NEVER ship another WebObjects version, how
would your life be different?
The only thing that bugs me is that they might ship a new version
of OS X with no Java JVM on it, or tha
Hi!
On 2009/10/09, at 16:09, Mike Schrag wrote:
Also, when Apophosis hits Earth in 2029
Can we have that happening earlier, please?
Yours
Miguel Arroz
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I am working on a set of rather complex apps serving a major
entertainment site with tens of millions daily visitors. Feel free to
email me if you have specific questions about this setup.
I should mention here that Tapestry having a built-in dependency
injection container is a big part of
All,
Has anyone any experience/comments on a Tapestry / Cayenne combination?
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On Fri, 9 Oct 2009, Joe Litt
Then you should go to Nieue to herd goats for relaxation and a healthy
diet of goats milk and berries. ;-)
On Oct 9, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
Le 09-10-09 à 11:09, Mike Schrag a écrit :
If Apple decided to NEVER ship another WebObjects version, how
would your life be differe
Yes, I find Grails or more specifically GORM to be the closest
analogy. Very Rails inspired, but where it differs, it feels just like
WO. I just hate JSP/GSP presentation layer, so GRAILS in the end
doesn't float my boat.
LiftWeb is painful to the eyes. Scala is great, LiftWeb just won't
gain trac
Le 09-10-09 à 11:09, Mike Schrag a écrit :
If Apple decided to NEVER ship another WebObjects version, how
would your life be different?
The only thing that bugs me is that they might ship a new version
of OS X with no Java JVM on it, or that 5.4 have serious bugs with
Java 7. I guess we ca
If Apple decided to NEVER ship another WebObjects version, how
would your life be different?
The only thing that bugs me is that they might ship a new version of
OS X with no Java JVM on it, or that 5.4 have serious bugs with Java
7. I guess we can move development to a Linux or Window box if
Pascal, I seriously doubt it's a possibility that OS X ships without
JVM . try to keep the thread intelligent please;-):-P
... and even if Apple did not compile the JavaVM, er, I am sure it
would be a short time before an installer is available . we would
have to install it
People are acting like Apple treated us like a top-tier developer community and all of a sudden yanked the rug out from under us. For that, I must add that I think that a lot of people are expecting Apple to treat us like a top-tier developer community because of the years of when Apple/NeXT was s
Le 09-10-09 à 10:32, Mike Schrag a écrit :
Ok, all innovations from the last 5 years come from Wonder, so I
don't care if WO is open sourced or not, because I know innovations
and bug fixes will come from Wonder, not from Apple. In fact, it's
almost easier to sell WO by talking of Wonder,
Ok, all innovations from the last 5 years come from Wonder, so I
don't care if WO is open sourced or not, because I know innovations
and bug fixes will come from Wonder, not from Apple. In fact, it's
almost easier to sell WO by talking of Wonder, because you can say
"Ok, so the core framewo
Le 09-10-09 à 09:28, Pascal Robert a écrit :Le 09-10-09 à 08:00, Q a écrit :On 09/10/2009, at 9:07 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:I'm wondering if we can just migrate and adapt Wonder on top of a project like GETobjects so that we can have a exit point, just in case...GETObjects, not likely, it's quite di
Le 9 oct. 09 à 15:28, Pascal Robert a écrit :
Le 09-10-09 à 08:00, Q a écrit :
On 09/10/2009, at 9:07 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
I'm wondering if we can just migrate and adapt Wonder on top of a
project like GETobjects so that we can have a exit point, just in
case...
GETObjects, not li
I don't care for the XML databases per se, but the wider self declared
NoSQL "movement", aside from the annoying hype that is so hard to
escape, presents some interesting RDBMS alternatives, none requiring
an ORM. E.g. a content repository API that is presumably great for CMS
apps:
http
Le 09-10-09 à 08:00, Q a écrit :
On 09/10/2009, at 9:07 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
I'm wondering if we can just migrate and adapt Wonder on top of a
project like GETobjects so that we can have a exit point, just in
case...
GETObjects, not likely, it's quite different, not API compatible,
I say this with the utmost respect of the work put into the open
source ORM frameworks out there, but if I were to look at tech outside
of WO, it would probably be something other than a "me too" ORM
framework. I can't say I've looked much, but I've yet to find
anything outside of WO that
On 09/10/2009, at 9:07 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
I'm wondering if we can just migrate and adapt Wonder on top of a
project like GETobjects so that we can have a exit point, just in
case...
GETObjects, not likely, it's quite different, not API compatible, and
not as complete. You would be
I'm wondering if we can just migrate and adapt Wonder on top of a
project like GETobjects so that we can have a exit point, just in
case...
GETobjects needs some work, but has potential if you couldn't use WO.
http://www.getobjects.org
On 09/10/2009, at 9:04 AM, Daniel Mejia wrote:
Hi al
GETobjects needs some work, but has potential if you couldn't use WO.
http://www.getobjects.org
On 09/10/2009, at 9:04 AM, Daniel Mejia wrote:
Hi all,
If you have to choose another framework for Web Development ,
different than WO, what could be your selection?
We are looking for alternat
On Oct 9, 2009, at 5:53 AM, Daniel Mejia wrote:
Thank you for your information. In the ORM side we have in the list
Hibernate, Cayenne and EclipseLink .
For the presentation layer we are going to check Tapestry.
Saludos,
Daniel.
Hi Daniel,
As one of Cayenne authors, I should mention th
Thank you for your information. In the ORM side we have in the list
Hibernate, Cayenne and EclipseLink .
For the presentation layer we are going to check Tapestry.
Saludos,
Daniel.
On 08/10/2009, at 09:03 p.m., John Ours wrote:
Cayenne is surely the closest ORM. I'd pick GWT or Tapestr
Chuck,
First of all let me tell you that I have invested many years in WO, I
have developed many systems with less bugs and much faster than with
any other platform that I know. I´m very happy with the product and
with the support that you and many other people provides, that is much
bett
Daniel,
You may have to find 2 cooperating technologies, one for presentation
(think wo appserver/WOComponents) and one for persistence (think EOF).
I have never used these, but:
- Apache Cayenne was inspired by EOF, and founded by Andrus Adamchik
(who is the guy behind objectstyle.org an
Cayenne is surely the closest ORM. I'd pick GWT or Tapestry for the
presentation depending on the type of application it is.
GWT and Cayenne don't mix that well because of the JS serialization
but it does work.
John
On Oct 8, 2009, at 7:04 PM, Daniel Mejia wrote:
Hi all,
If you have
On Oct 8, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Daniel Mejia wrote:
Hi all,
If you have to choose another framework for Web Development ,
different than WO, what could be your selection?
We are looking for alternatives and I would like to know if somebody
knows something close to WO...
If we knew somethi
Hi all,
If you have to choose another framework for Web Development ,
different than WO, what could be your selection?
We are looking for alternatives and I would like to know if somebody
knows something close to WO...
Regards,
Daniel.
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