[Webware-devel] Re: [Webware-discuss] Webware documentation

2002-10-24 Thread Stefan Schwarzer
Hi Ian On 24 Oct 2002, Ian Bicking wrote: > Anyway, I've been writing lots of documentation lately, and I've been > using reStructuredText (http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html). It's > worked pretty well for me -- the output looks decent, but more > importantly it's comfortable to write. Ke

Re: [Webware-discuss] RE: [Webware-devel] Webware documentation

2002-10-24 Thread Aaron Held
Personally I find that I can write the fastest when I write in XML because I do not have to think at all about the layout. But the fundamental problem is the content. I would not mind compiling a list somewhere of what docs we need. I would reccomend that we all work towards a single book. Co

Re: [Webware-devel] Re: [Webware-discuss] Webware documentation

2002-10-24 Thread Ian Bicking
On Thu, 2002-10-24 at 09:06, Aaron Held wrote: > >>Anyway, I've been writing lots of documentation lately, and I've been > >>using reStructuredText (http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html). It's > >>worked pretty well for me -- the output looks decent, but more > >>importantly it's comfortable t

RE: [Webware-devel] Webware documentation

2002-10-24 Thread Geoffrey Talvola
I'm willing to try reST or an XML format. One thing I do like about HTML with styles is that anyone can contribute to the documentation with just their favorite text editor and a web browser. Whatever solution we use should be very easy to install and use, and I'd like to see a "documentation how-

Re: [Webware-devel] Re: [Webware-discuss]Webware documentation

2002-10-24 Thread Ray Leyva
Hi, I talked a few months back about a book, but it never seemed to get any traction. I'm big on Xml / Xsl, and am very willing to lend myself to a project like this. With Python you want the gnome / libxml2 & libxslt python bindings. They are fantastic. I also recommend using the Gentoo sty

[Webware-devel] Re: [Webware-discuss]Webware documentation

2002-10-24 Thread Michael Engelhart
Hi - I'm new to this list and while I just barely have scratched the surface of Webware (and python for that matter), I would be glad to take files in XML format and generate the HTML documentation using XSLT. Unfortunately I've had a lot of problems generating output with the Python XSL proc

RE: [Webware-devel] Webware documentation

2002-10-24 Thread Geoffrey Talvola
I kinda like just using HTML with simple styles for documentation, as we are now. It works, it's easy to edit by hand, and it's just one less thing to learn. You're right, it's the content that's lacking, not the formatting. I don't really care one way or the other if we split it up or leave it

Re: [Webware-devel] [UPDATE] Autoreload feature in CVS

2002-10-24 Thread Ian Bicking
Looks good. I changed it a bit so it would also monitor modules that were loaded before ImportSpy was started up (e.g., Application.py). It would be good to also add any configuration files -- I suppose a hook could be added to Configurable. To do that ImportSpy should probably not auto-install

[Webware-devel] Deprecating OneShot

2002-10-24 Thread Ian Bicking
Now that we have auto-restart I'd like to deprecate OneShot.cgi. There's lots of weird corner-cases and bad behavior that comes about from OneShot, the performance is really bad, and it just doesn't seem worth it. Right now auto-reload only works on Posix, but reading the os docs it looks like it

[Webware-devel] [UPDATE] Autoreload feature in CVS

2002-10-24 Thread Jason Hildebrand
Earlier this afternoon I committed an auto-reload feature to Webware CVS. I'd like to credit Tavis Rudd, who provided the initial implementation for this feature. Here are the details: Overview The purpose of this feature is to make life easier on the developer by having the appserver n

[Webware-devel] Webware documentation

2002-10-24 Thread Kendall Grant Clark
> "ian" == Ian Bicking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ian> The Webware documentation isn't in very good shape, as it hasn't ian> been actively updated in a while. Ah, Ian gives me the opening I've been looking for... I've recently become the managing editor of Py, the Python print journal (

[Webware-devel] Webware documentation

2002-10-24 Thread Ian Bicking
The Webware documentation isn't in very good shape, as it hasn't been actively updated in a while. Anyway, I've been writing lots of documentation lately, and I've been using reStructuredText (http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html). It's worked pretty well for me -- the output looks decent, bu

Re: [Webware-devel] Re: [Webware-discuss] Webware documentation

2002-10-24 Thread Aaron Held
Anyway, I've been writing lots of documentation lately, and I've been using reStructuredText (http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html). It's worked pretty well for me -- the output looks decent, but more importantly it's comfortable to write. Keeping the documentation up-to-date is the most esse

Re: [Webware-devel] Re: [Webware-discuss] Webware documentation

2002-10-24 Thread Mike Warren
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ian Bicking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I might be able to get over my annoyance with XML if I look deeper > into Emacs -- I'm sure there's something in there to make it more > pleasant (maybe abbrev...) Yes, there's sgml-mode. Supplied with a DTD,

Re: [Webware-devel] Webware documentation

2002-10-24 Thread Aaron Held
Please comment on this plan: 1) We need content to be written / collected - I will try to organize something in the next week or so 2) Docstrings will continue to be used in order to describe API's and classes. (This will be lifted into the appendix section of the Webware book) 3) Other docs

Re: [Webware-discuss] Re: [Webware-devel] Re: [Webware-discuss]Webwaredocumentation

2002-10-24 Thread Aaron Held
Ray Leyva wrote: With Python you want the gnome / libxml2 & libxslt python bindings. They are fantastic. I also recommend using the Gentoo stylesheets. I've been working with them for a year now, and have found them to be lighter / easier to write to than DocBook. I also like Gentoo, and I us

RE: [Webware-devel] Webware documentation

2002-10-24 Thread Geoffrey Talvola
I forgot to mention, the documentation tools need to work on Windows. Not everyone uses Linux to work with Webware. - Geoff > -Original Message- > From: Geoffrey Talvola > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:54 PM > To: 'Ian Bicking' > Cc: Webware devel; Webware discuss > Subject: RE: [

[Webware-devel] Re: [Webware-discuss] Webware documentation

2002-10-24 Thread Ian Bicking
On Thu, 2002-10-24 at 07:18, Stefan Schwarzer wrote: > > Actually, I guess my real issue is that inline documentation doesn't > > distinguish between user interfaces and internal interfaces -- > > particularly when those internal interfaces are not entirely internal, > > like methods that you may w

RE: [Webware-devel] Webware documentation

2002-10-24 Thread Ian Bicking
On Thu, 2002-10-24 at 10:37, Geoffrey Talvola wrote: > I kinda like just using HTML with simple styles for documentation, as we are > now. It works, it's easy to edit by hand, and it's just one less thing to > learn. Yeah, reST is little weird to learn thoroughly, though the basic structure is si