Re: [Wiki-research-l] User type context sensitivity to introduction sections.

2019-02-12 Thread WereSpielChequers
Dear Stuart, The problem with notifying the article creators and templating the articles is that the people who wrote that content are not necessarily the ones who can rewrite it more clearly. And templating rarely solves problems, it often just adds more clutter to a confused article.

Re: [Wiki-research-l] User type context sensitivity to introduction sections.

2019-02-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Do realise that when this is the 'best practice' we will make the gap between English and the others only bigger.. From my perspective to improve quality, we could start with linking to Wikidata for blue, red and black links in any Wikipedia. This will have a measurable quality effect of some

Re: [Wiki-research-l] User type context sensitivity to introduction sections.

2019-02-10 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
This has been discussed many times, see also: https://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Multi-level_Articles_(By_Difficulty) https://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Filter_content_based_on_desired_level_of_detail https://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Divide_Wikipedia

Re: [Wiki-research-l] User type context sensitivity to introduction sections.

2019-02-10 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Stuart, No, I totally disagree. :-) I absolutely don't mean "plain English" but the special concept as described in the article linked. And I do not think that we need a software solution. We need good writing skills. Kind regards Ziko Am So., 10. Feb. 2019 um 03:02 Uhr schrieb Stuart A.

Re: [Wiki-research-l] User type context sensitivity to introduction sections.

2019-02-09 Thread Stuart A. Yeates
I believe that the English language term you are looking for is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_English and the problem is that en.wiki policies already require plain english. The core of the issue is that writing in plain english is hard and currently there are few tools to support editors

Re: [Wiki-research-l] User type context sensitivity to introduction sections.

2019-02-09 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Allow me to propose something different: Wikipedia needs better writing, not technical solutions. And for different target groups, we need different encyclopedias: * for children * for people with disabilities, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leichte_Sprache * for scholars, e.g. "Wikipedia

Re: [Wiki-research-l] User type context sensitivity to introduction sections.

2019-02-09 Thread Aaron Gray
I am thinking maybe we could use subdomains for layperson, and for schools, and maybe universities to have specialized [approved] content also ? Just an idea given this possible mechanism. On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 at 20:15, Aaron Gray wrote: > Thank you please keep suggestions and pragmatics coming

Re: [Wiki-research-l] User type context sensitivity to introduction sections.

2019-02-09 Thread Aaron Gray
Thank you please keep suggestions and pragmatics coming in ! I looked at this problem some time ago and the extra programming for what I am proposing is quite minimal utilizing existing MediaWiki libraries and adding extra code to support the tag structure with defaulting to make it seamless to

Re: [Wiki-research-l] User type context sensitivity to introduction sections.

2019-02-08 Thread Kerry Raymond
I think we might be missing the point here of the original request. I am a native fluent speaker of English and I have 4 university degrees. I don't need Simple English Wikipedia, but there are definitiely articles on English Wikipedia that I cannot read because they are not sufficiently

Re: [Wiki-research-l] User type context sensitivity to introduction sections.

2019-02-08 Thread Stuart A. Yeates
On the English language wikipedia the guidelines about ledes are pretty clear and such articles are in breach of them. Please tag them with {{lead rewrite}} when you find them. TW lets you do this via javascript magic. cheers stuart -- ...let us be heard from red core to black sky On Sat, 9

Re: [Wiki-research-l] User type context sensitivity to introduction sections.

2019-02-08 Thread Timothy Wood
Well the purpose of the Simple English Wikipedia is to provide a resource for children, people who are learning English, or others who have difficulty understanding the regular English Wikipedia. It's understaffed and underpopulated, but in principle it takes care of a lot of your problem if

Re: [Wiki-research-l] User type context sensitivity to introduction sections.

2019-02-08 Thread Adam Sobieski
] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_(web_decentralization_project) From: Wiki-research-l on behalf of Aaron Gray Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 7:15:21 PM To: Research into Wikimedia content and communities Subject: [Wiki-research-l] User type context sensitivity

Re: [Wiki-research-l] User type context sensitivity to introduction sections.

2019-02-08 Thread Aaron Gray
On Sat, 9 Feb 2019 at 01:01, Timothy Wood wrote: > This has been somewhat answered by the Simple English Wikipedia. But even > Simple was recently nominated for deletion in whole on meta, although the > nomination failed. I'm not sure it can be done without splitting off > multiple projects, but

Re: [Wiki-research-l] User type context sensitivity to introduction sections.

2019-02-08 Thread Timothy Wood
This has been somewhat answered by the Simple English Wikipedia. But even Simple was recently nominated for deletion in whole on meta, although the nomination failed. I'm not sure it can be done without splitting off multiple projects, but the problem with that is that our cross-wiki vandals are

[Wiki-research-l] User type context sensitivity to introduction sections.

2019-02-08 Thread Aaron Gray
I am suggesting WikiPedia has context-sensitive articles so if you are a kid or a layperson or an expert in a field you get a different introduction. Often the reason people don't read or use WikiPedia is articles are too complex at the start. Having an adaptive setting that can be chosen but