Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Ken Arromdee wrote: > There's a good solution: don't have a ridiculously strict policy. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think the current image policy is a compromise between those who believe enwp should have no non-free images, which would be a very simpl

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

No, being wrong isn't a function of my opinion. Mr. Farrar doesn't even argue for being right, he just thinks we should make an exception for when we're having fun. Plus I thought it'd be neat to arbitrarily pick a number to add to my unnecessarily definitive statement. Nathan

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

Are you kidding me? Person X has one opinion. Person Y has another. You agree with person Y, so you conclude person X is "completely wrong." ObSheesh: Sheesh. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Nathan wrote: > Instance number 192,453,345,252 that someone complains about something that > "makes

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

Instance number 192,453,345,252 that someone complains about something that "makes no sense" and turns out to be completely wrong. Next! Nathan ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

2009/1/19 James Farrar : > Oh, we always have a choice. In this case, one available choice is "do > nothing and see if they send us a C&D". We could do that in a lot of cases. Rather runs into the problem that wikipedia is meant to be free content though. >Another would be to contact > them and a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Announcing "Epistemia", a new wiki encyclopedia

> But do they attract readers? When I research topics for WP articles, I often > come across existing WP links and can't remember seeing any links to even > major WP forks; this is the main problem I think Epistemia faces- > penetration and hence credibility. Whereas I realise that what might be >

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_blocking - Chris On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Wilhelm Schnotz wrote: > Hsefline should be hardline... Sorry about the double post. > > On 1/18/09, Wilhelm Schnotz wrote: > > Then I think the thing to do is urge the developers to provide some > > sort of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson

Hsefline should be hardline... Sorry about the double post. On 1/18/09, Wilhelm Schnotz wrote: > Then I think the thing to do is urge the developers to provide some > sort of global block list... Perhaps this is an issue to discuss on > meta. > > From what you describe, wikimedia would have to ta

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson

Then I think the thing to do is urge the developers to provide some sort of global block list... Perhaps this is an issue to discuss on meta. >From what you describe, wikimedia would have to take a hsefline against *all* proxies on *all* wikimedia foundation wikis. This would then have to be enfor

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

I'm glad you liked my link to WP:LAME. The primary reason we cannot accept "permission" from a company is that permission does not make that image free. (our license and mission means we should maximize free content..., in addition we cannot accept permission for wikimedia only as re-users (legit

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson

We have bots that do that, grawp still gets through(part of the reason is that these proxies need to be blocked globally or else grawp can still abuse SUL and TOR to create accounts and make the required 10 edits before he has to find an unblocked proxy on enwiki). - Chris On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson

A bot can do that.. Provided that feed is 100% accurate. If we can't trust the feed we can have a program verify its open and then block. ( dunno how practical it is to verify an open proxy by bot) A bot can simply hardblock for a month and have humans check after that if theft are still open. (mos

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

2009/1/19 Ken Arromdee : > On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, The Cunctator wrote: >> I think James's point is that wikilawyers have lost all perspective. > > In this case, the image actually may be unusable even under fair use. It's > the *real* law which has lost all perspective. We have no choice but to > f

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson

>can continue to use unblocked proxies until we block them all. ( >Blocking *all* proxies is nigh on impossible because computers get >comprimised daily... So new "open proxies" are created daily.) Maybe it would if we could hook someone like (rss feed for jus

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009, The Cunctator wrote: > I think James's point is that wikilawyers have lost all perspective. In this case, the image actually may be unusable even under fair use. It's the *real* law which has lost all perspective. We have no choice but to follow it. But it is sort of amusin

Re: [WikiEN-l] Announcing "Epistemia", a new wiki encyclopedia

> But do they attract readers? When I research topics for WP articles, I often > come across existing WP links and can't remember seeing any links to even > major WP forks; this is the main problem I think Epistemia faces- > penetration and hence credibility. Precisely, that's the problem. They ne

Re: [WikiEN-l] Announcing "Epistemia", a new wiki encyclopedia

Thomas Dalton wrote: >> 2009/1/19 Brian : >>> Many of the roughly 1.5 million Wikipedia articles that are near >>> start or stub quality are at that level for good reason: Lack of >>> public interest. However, if one were to start a new encyclopedia >>> with the aim of improving them and could find

Re: [WikiEN-l] Announcing "Epistemia", a new wiki encyclopedia

2009/1/19 Brian : > Many of the roughly 1.5 million Wikipedia articles that are near start or > stub quality are at that level for good reason: Lack of public interest. > However, if one were to start a new encyclopedia with the aim of improving > them and could find a sizable number of people whos

Re: [WikiEN-l] Announcing "Epistemia", a new wiki encyclopedia

Many of the roughly 1.5 million Wikipedia articles that are near start or stub quality are at that level for good reason: Lack of public interest. However, if one were to start a new encyclopedia with the aim of improving them and could find a sizable number of people whose tolerance for incredibly

Re: [WikiEN-l] Announcing "Epistemia", a new wiki encyclopedia

> * has not been growing exponentially; instead, growth is a "straight line"; It's worse than that. Not only is growth in article numbers linear, median word count per article is decreasing fairly rapidly so it would seem they're just writing stubs. I would advise you to try and avoid that - the o

Re: [WikiEN-l] Announcing "Epistemia", a new wiki encyclopedia

Hi David, > Citizendium has a community of writers and appears to be ticking along okay. > > Unfortunately, more than a few appear to be driven by resentment of > Wikipedia, and by far the most effective method of getting publicity > so far has been to bitch about Wikpedia (the "let's you and him

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

2009/1/18 The Cunctator : > I think James's point is that wikilawyers have lost all perspective. That may well be his point. The example he gave does not support it, though. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

I think James's point is that wikilawyers have lost all perspective. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Wilhelm Schnotz wrote: > Hah, > > I am not defending top or bottom posting here, but merely explaining > why it happens. Several services and programs are programmed by > default to top post, and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson

I asked *where*, as in a link. Even suspected sockpuppets are fine, because checkuser is not a crystal ball, and I am not too shabby at patterns. The standard for reporting to police is common assault. That means an explicit threat of violence against a specific individual, organization or group

[WikiEN-l] [phish]

"Jon" wrote in message news:495aefc3.2040...@datascreamer.com... (...) > "Welcome to wikipedia. You didn't create a good enough article in > your allotted 60 seconds so we deleted it. Dont forget to sign your > posts!" > > Even though it was in jest, it is true. (...) Actually, no, not litera

[WikiEN-l] Blocking Verizon for slack enforcement regarding Jeremy Hanson/LtWinters

I hav seen the SpamAssasin configuration of Tera-Byte internet. I do not remember where it is, and I could ask them again. It did not contain much in the way of content scans, except for SMTP validity. It contained a *lot* of Realtime-Block-List ratings a year or two ago. Open relays are a close

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

Hah, I am not defending top or bottom posting here, but merely explaining why it happens. Several services and programs are programmed by default to top post, and users don't tend to change those defaults as that requires extra work. (assuming its even possible) For those remotely curious... The

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GRAWPTHEGIANT07 BTW, since this guy has been confirmed as LtWinters, then my suspicion that he is grawp is also confirmed. I will look for the template for placing that suspicion, because I am not sure that the same people are looking at the same records. I see

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

Gmail mobile hides all quotes. However from a mobile device using google mobile, I am unable to change the setting from top post to anything else. I can't even copy paste my response to the bottom of the mail because I can't "see" the comments, so I have no way to post "under" them. On 1/18/09, T

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson

The problem is not so much that he edits from a range as much as he abuses proxies. If you don't know, proxies are a way to appear as if you are posting from a different address. So in reality a determined person like grawp can continue to use unblocked proxies until we block them all. ( Blocking

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

2009/1/18 Alvaro García : > Yeah, Gmail and the iPhone/iPod touch built-in e-mail client put the > answers on top; it's much more intelligent, because in this way, you > don't have to scroll all the way down to see what has been answered. If we want to cater for people with extremely small screens

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

2009/1/18 James Farrar : > >http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spider-Man_sculpture > Existing copyright law is not wikimedia's fault. -- geni ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe fr

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jeremy Hanson

I hav dynamic IP, myself, and it seems that typically, I get the same IP I had last time if it is available, and it is always within the same 64k block. What is more impractical is the manpower demanded by what we are doing now, which is blocking one IP# at a time. "Al Tally" wrote in message

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

Yeah, Gmail and the iPhone/iPod touch built-in e-mail client put the answers on top; it's much more intelligent, because in this way, you don't have to scroll all the way down to see what has been answered. -- Alvaro On 18-01-2009, at 15:08, "Wilhelm Schnotz" wrote: > The reason why it is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

The reason why it is top posted is because that is the default action that google mail does. As I am writing from a mobile device, it is impossible for me to change that default. (google mobile mail hides comments on the assumption that you can just scroll up through the mail history.) So for me,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

My iPod puts the answers in the top, there's where they'll stay. -- Alvaro On 18-01-2009, at 14:40, "James Farrar" wrote: > 2009/1/18 Thomas Dalton : >>> [IFYPFY as well.] >> >> What does that mean? Google tells me it means "I fixed your post for >> you", but you don't seem to have made any ch

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

2009/1/18 James Farrar : > 2009/1/18 Thomas Dalton : >>> [IFYPFY as well.] >> >> What does that mean? Google tells me it means "I fixed your post for >> you", but you don't seem to have made any changes to the emails you >> are replying to when you quote them... > > I've been rearranging the contri

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

Hehe, I did the same and thought the same. I was going to ask him too. -- Alvaro On 18-01-2009, at 14:36, "Thomas Dalton" wrote: >> [IFYPFY as well.] > > What does that mean? Google tells me it means "I fixed your post for > you", but you don't seem to have made any changes to the emails you

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

2009/1/18 Thomas Dalton : >> [IFYPFY as well.] > > What does that mean? Google tells me it means "I fixed your post for > you", but you don't seem to have made any changes to the emails you > are replying to when you quote them... I've been rearranging the contributions of the ignorant top-posters

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

> [IFYPFY as well.] What does that mean? Google tells me it means "I fixed your post for you", but you don't seem to have made any changes to the emails you are replying to when you quote them... ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

It didn't offend me, I just find it inappropriate. -- Alvaro On 18-01-2009, at 14:26, "James Farrar" wrote: > 2009/1/18 Alvaro García : > >> On 18-01-2009, at 14:18, "James Farrar" >> wrote: >> >>> 2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz : On 1/18/09, James Farrar wrote: > 2009/1/18 Wilhelm Sch

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

2009/1/18 Alvaro García : > On 18-01-2009, at 14:18, "James Farrar" wrote: > >> 2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz : >>> On 1/18/09, James Farrar wrote: 2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz : > On 1/18/09, James Farrar wrote: >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_o

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

Watch your language -- Alvaro On 18-01-2009, at 14:18, "James Farrar" wrote: > 2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz : >> On 1/18/09, James Farrar wrote: >>> 2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz : >>> On 1/18/09, James Farrar wrote: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_S

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz : > On 1/18/09, James Farrar wrote: >> 2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz : >> >>> On 1/18/09, James Farrar wrote: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spider-Man_sculpture >>> Congrats a deletion discussion (that is not even over yet) i

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

You obviously have not given up on the discussions if you care enough to tell us all about it. :P On 1/18/09, James Farrar wrote: > 2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz : > >> On 1/18/09, James Farrar wrote: >>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spider-Man_sculpture >>>

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

2009/1/18 Thomas Dalton > 2009/1/18 James Farrar : > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spider-Man_sculpture > > You care less about Wikipedia because some people on Commons aren't > entirely sure of the law so see the need to go through standard > procedure

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

2009/1/18 Wilhelm Schnotz : > On 1/18/09, James Farrar wrote: >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spider-Man_sculpture >> > Congrats a deletion discussion (that is not even over yet) is not > going the way you want it to. I don't see your comments on it as far

Re: [WikiEN-l] Tracking spam for fun and profit

You have Gmail and your spam filter works badly? Hm, strange. -- Alvaro On 18-01-2009, at 13:08, Andrew Gray wrote: > Those of you whose spam filters work as badly as mine are no doubt > familiar with the genre of 419 spam emails. You know the thing, "Dear > Respected Sir. I am the Minister fo

Re: [WikiEN-l] Tracking spam for fun and profit

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Andrew Gray wrote: > This was on 15th December. And sure enough, if we look at the December > statistics for that page, we find that about four hundred people > followed the link over a couple of days: > http://stats.grok.se/en/200811/Maria_das_Neves > > There's

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

2009/1/18 James Farrar : > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spider-Man_sculpture You care less about Wikipedia because some people on Commons aren't entirely sure of the law so see the need to go through standard procedure in order to decide what to do? __

Re: [WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

Congrats a deletion discussion (that is not even over yet) is not going the way you want it to. I don't see your comments on it as far as I can tell, as it is not yet closed can we avoid canvasing on the mailing lists? My suggestion to you, go post your opinion and explain why those images should

[WikiEN-l] Tracking spam for fun and profit

Those of you whose spam filters work as badly as mine are no doubt familiar with the genre of 419 spam emails. You know the thing, "Dear Respected Sir. I am the Minister for Trade of Nigeria, and I wish to embezzle a BILLION dollars AMERICAN..." One element of these that you occasionally see is "su

[WikiEN-l] Reasons I care less about Wikipedia than I used to, No. 43

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Images_of_Spider-Man_sculpture ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

[WikiEN-l] new list summary posted, and the signpost

Belated announcement: New Foundation-l summary posted on LSS: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LSS/foundation-l-archives/2009_January_1-15 (the last summary for December was also posted a couple weeks ago: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LSS/foundation-l-archives/2008_December_15-31) I am behind on

Re: [WikiEN-l] Linking Dates

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Delirium wrote: > Skyring wrote: >> There's very little debate on which date format should be used for >> articles on U.S. or UK subjects, but for articles on (say) France or >> Brazil, there is a push to use U.S. date format, despite both of those >> nations using