Gergo, do you mind if people continue discussing this? I'm finding it
very interesting and fruitful. I hadn't thought through these issues
before, and there are likely to be others on this list who haven't
either.
Best!
,Wil
On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Gergo Tisza
Actually, as an employee of the WMF, Asaf may be able to contribute
here. Asaf, this is an issue that you feel the organization you that
pays you to help fulfill its mission must address. How are you going
to lead within the WMF to make sure it gets addressed?
Best.
,Wil
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at
the
ush.
Thanks for bringing me up, MZMcBride; should get a lot more people to look
at those IRC logs I was hoping to bring to everyone's attention.
Best!
,Wil
On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:28 PM, MZMcBride <z...@mzmcbride.com> wrote:
> Wil Sinclair wrote:
> >With all due respect, no
I think it's a matter of common sense that we shouldn't ask for more
money unless we can credibly demonstrate with stuff like success
metrics and improving trends that we can spend the money we've already
been given effectively.
Risker's comments made me wonder, however, about the more specific
I'd like to know more about the proposal; is there a page on Meta that
describes it in more detail?
Specifically, I'd like to know:
* You mention platform. Are you proposing a new top-level wiki
project that would require critical mass to succeed?
* Wouldn't this be a good fit for additions to
Hi Damon, looking forward to meeting you. I'd like to welcome you not
only to WMF, but to the wikimedia-l list. I encourage you to join the
discussions here, even if you feel like you don't have the deep
expertise and broad community context that a lot of the big shots who
post here may have. I
Yeah, uncyclopedia is a good suggestion for one possible form of
content, but what I'm talking about is really much more about having a
good time onwiki by poking fun at ourselves and putting things in to
perspective.
Someone sent me a link to this project privately:
to this audience.
Thanks.
,Wil
On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 6:19 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Wil Sinclair wrote:
I'm wondering if there is place where the lighter side of individual
Wikimedians and our movement can be shown front and center. What I'm
talking about would leave
Howdy all,
One thing I've noticed in my short time as an active part of our
community is that the more welcoming and likable aspects of our
individual personalities aren't reflect in our most public
conversations. For example, if a new editor went by this forum alone,
we might come off as taking
Actually, I'd like to speak up on the name.
I imagine the name reflected the enthusiasm of its first attendees,
but Wikimania has all the wrong connotations in today's world. True
mania is marked by little control, commitment, and rest. It also
implies that attendees have to be dyed-in-the-wool,
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi,
Asap stands for as soon as possible. It is obvious that there I do not
like the talk pages at all. That does not mean that it makes sense to
replace them tomorrow.
I want us to cut the crap. Absolutely
Tim, do you think that this list of all the useful stuff that talk
pages can currently includes things that aren't being done because
they are too advanced for newbie editors or too inconvenient for
veterans?
Regardless, you make a strong argument for keeping a meta-document
that spans threads
Hi Pete. I agree that the app could do more to explain to the user
what is appropriate for commons. And I'd hate to see this app
sunsetted, because it makes it very convenient to snap pictures and
upload them in a few gestures. A couple of questions, tho:
* Pete, there's already a tour when you
I don't know how many people here remember their first discussion on
WP, but I do. Probably because it was less than 6 months ago. :)
My first impression was you have got to be kidding me. I was annoyed
I had to learn a new markup dialect, but that didn't deter me. Since I
had some experience
Where is it failing for you? The popup form works for me on both
Safari and Chrome on OSX 10.8.5. I didn't go through the whole wizard,
tho, because I didn't want to add dummy data to the database.
,Wil
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Nasir Khan nasir8...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Siko,
Create a
Your suggestion is to be dismissed with prejudice because it is so
obviously wrong in so many ways.. I do not care about a possible potential
of a broken system at all I may want to think about features that are
actively used in this broken system.
Thanks,
GerardM
I won't be
Let me begin with this: my preferences lie far closer to yours,
Gerard, than Diego's. I believe that we have a document oriented
system that works well for stuff like encyclopedic content. But I
think that we should be conducting our discussions in a discussion
oriented system. That doesn't
The way I see it, there is something each and every one of us can do
to help with attrition right now with no interference from or
dependencies on anyone else.
We can treat each other with the respect that we all deserve. Before
hitting send or Save Page, we can ask ourselves if we've said what
I composed the following as part of a longer message, but I decided
not to send it unless others were having similar issues since I'm on
track to exceed my monthly allowance of posts here ;):
There's one thing in this discussion that troubles me greatly.
We've got a treasure trove of
: if the user accepts
reporting, you should really report the issue without asking to enter
a mail or some information the user does not know. I am fine playing a
guinea pig if it is useful, but here I can't even report anything.
Regards,
Yann
2014-09-07 11:15 GMT+05:30 Wil Sinclair w
Hi Yann, most of the issues you're describing sound like straight-up bugs.
When it comes to Android, it helps to know about issues that affect
some models but may not come up on the model/version that the
developer is using for testing. I think it's safe to say that the S4
is a '''must work'''
This somewhat circuitously brings us back to the subject. We have a
chance to rollout Flow the right way. There are some questions that
come to mind that might tell us if we're headed for a big win or a
bigger debacle:
1) Is the WMF working with the community as closely and substantially
as
Andreas, what would you do process-wise from the perspective of the
WMF and/or the broader community to improve communication and its
impact on development of Flow?
,Wil
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure the term loop is appropriate. So far, I
Interesting. What I'm noticing in both this discussion and the
discussions around MV is that a lot of us think that the solution has
value, but the features are not prioritized well. I don't have much
experience with Trello, but I know of lots of other tools (Bugzilla is
one, I believe) that can
with no
apparent saving graces other than the fact that the old software is old
and the new software will be new and that things will look nice.
If this is done wrong, it will be a catastrophe for WMF far bigger than
what happened with VE.
Wil Sinclair, an enthusiast for the LiquidThreads/Flow mechanism
the ingredients
to make a chocolate cake with the hope that it will be a suitable
replacement for vegetable stew.
Risker/Anne
On 5 September 2014 13:29, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
This somewhat circuitously brings us back to the subject. We have a
chance to rollout Flow the right way
tl;dr: We've been collectively whining about templates for long enough. Who
wants to help with fixing them?
I want to help fix them.
I hope we can, for the coming period, accomplish the following:
* Catalog the problems with templates. Make a comprehensive list that
enumerates the problems
up for
this discussion and where, and I'll make sure it gets done.
,Wil
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Martijn Hoekstra
martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
tl;dr: We've been collectively whining about templates for long enough
Hoi,
Maybe... but it assumes that we have plenty of time and work sequently.
Both are not the case and as it is, the framework is broken.to the extend
that people refuse to use it. So yes, ideally you want to fix many issues
nicely and in a collaborative manner. At the same time our readers
Hi Pine, I'd love to contribute. I'll mail you offlist about that, but
I have a few general questions that others may be wondering about.
Would this be similar to one of these newsletters?
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Newsletters#List_of_newsletters
If so, from your list of topics it sounds
We have had a number (not enough!) of Wikimedia (usually Wikipedia,
and typically English Wikipedia) discussion sites, but has there been
any previous ones that have used mediawiki? That is, other than
Meta.. ?
I can't answer your question about previous sites, but I can tell you
that the
Hi all, I'd like to try participating on this list again. Now that
there's much more context about me with respect to Wikimedia projects,
I'd appreciate a chance to re-introduce myself:
Hi, I'm Wil Sinclair. Strictly speaking, I've been a Wikipedian for 7
years, but I've been an active Wikipedian
Hi all, I've started a new wiki called Offwiki: http://offwiki.org.
Our community discusses potential changes to Wikipedia and its
Wikimedia sister projects that aren't easily discussed in forums like
this mailing list. We also try new ideas that we hope will be adopted
on-wiki- both social and
AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
As I mentioned to Sam, I have just one more thing to say here before I
let you guys deliberate on whether to block me.
I've been getting tons of private emails from people who say that they
don't want to see me blocked, but that they are afraid to say
Hi Fae, if you're referring to the discussion on this page, then I
think I make it quite clear why I won't engage with WMF employees
going forward:
http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14t=4680start=150.
To be sure, I'm not used to having anyone from Lila's team immediately
emailing
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
If you're talking about the message left on Oliver's talk page, it was
a threat by a banned user which included reference to a dream about
him where knees were nailed to the floor from the back and other
such lovely
deleted anything on that page, ever. This is
information you can check for yourself instead of relying on the words of
others.
Risker
On 28 May 2014 12:23, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
Hi Fae, if you're referring to the discussion on this page, then I
think I make it quite clear why
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote:
A slight correction: the revision was rev-deleted by a member of the
community - a member of ArbCom, in fact - and not an employee of the
Foundation.
Snt frm m Phn
On May 28, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Wil Sinclair w
or not someone is WMF staff.
Risker
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Overview
On 28 May 2014 13:07, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
Thanks, I wasn't aware I could do this. I'm assuming that it would be
obvious who
:23 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
Thanks, I wasn't aware I could do this. I'm assuming that it would be
obvious who was an employee at Wikimedia in the log, too. I posted the
following to Wikipediocracy a few minutes ago
? Are they right?
,Wil
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
Thanks, I wasn't aware I could do this. I'm assuming that it would be
obvious who was an employee at Wikimedia in the log, too. I posted
Martijn asked me which things I thought that some people on this list
don't want anyone to discuss, so here are the two examples that I'm
most interested in:
Child Protection- I'd like to hear about ways that policy might be
changed here to better protect children, especially given some of the
.
,Wil
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Molly White
gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
Wil Sinclair wllm@... writes:
Thanks, I wasn't aware I could do this. I'm assuming that it would be
obvious who was an employee at Wikimedia in the log, too.
Indeed you can. If you navigate to
https
Ah, this segues well into the email I was just drafting: I have to say that
I was surprised to see the contents of what appears to be an internal staff
email being brought up both on Wikipediocracy and here by a non-staff
member. Wil, can you clarify if you were copied on the email, and if
Sorry, the n00b has to step in with a couple of clarifications. :) I
was asking about 2 separate issues, so no conflation there.
Also I asked very carefully for *all* sides of the issues: Now, I'll
just sit back and hear all sides of the story.
All right, back on topic! :)
,Wil
On Wed, May 28,
with everything Greg says, just that I
personally am glad someone is saying it. He added *Wil Sinclair*,
Partner of Lila Tretikov (Wikimedia Foundation executive director);
I'd prefer he just leave it at Wil Sinclair, but it's really his
call on what he puts on his own site.
Now, I don't know what
that
he's a very intelligent and eloquent individual with a knack for
investigative reporting. He holds WP and the WMF to their word, and I
personally thank him for that.* - *Wil Sinclair*, Partner of Lila
Tretikov (Wikimedia Foundation executive director) - May 22, 2014
Thanks
you were appropriately advised, considering her critical
role in the Wikimedia movement.
Fae
On 28 May 2014 23:18, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
First off, I said that about Greg, and I firmly believe it. He's
uncovered many controversies at Wikipedia. In fact, his article was
the first
is that the foundation tends to let the community do what it
wants, and it would be against that long-standing tradition for staff to
try to force a change in the community.
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
First off, I said that about Greg, and I firmly
good judgement in failing
to ensure you were appropriately advised, considering her critical
role in the Wikimedia movement.
Fae
On 28 May 2014 23:18, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
First off, I said that about Greg, and I firmly believe it. He's
uncovered many controversies at Wikipedia
at 3:45 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote:
l:
I don't know the first thing about the alleged safety concerns discussed on
IRC, but the following quote is troubling to me:
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
She replied a WMF employee emailed me
Someone already mentioned me on his talk page, and I responded. Please
do paste that quote there if you think he'd be interested in it. I
know he and Greg have disagreed in the past; he may offer me a
different perspective on the matter. I'm interested in everyone's
perspective.
,Wil
On Wed, May
the community of the wikis, I'm just saying that it wouldn't really
be kosher according to our current practices.
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
Yes, we did talk on IRC. But what are you referring to? I wasn't
referring to you anywhere. I don't even remember talking
this
to you, and I promise the last thing I desire is to shut you up - you're
just currently running through a minefield with no map, and it would be
much better if you had a map before continuing.
Kevin Gorman
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
You *can't
Hi Erik, just for guidance here- should I not publicly respond to
those who have publicly address me or talked about my actions or words
directly?
You guys are moving in a *very* sketchy direction here. These mails
are archived; it will be quite clear what everyone said before I was
blocked if
I'm starting a thread with the correct title, so that everyone knows
that we're discussing whether I should be banned and for what reasons.
,Wil
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Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
groups? I'd especially like
to hear about this from a female perspective.
Thanks.
,Wil
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Martijn Hoekstra
martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
Martijn asked me which things I thought that some people
requests to slow down.
Erik Moeller writes:
As a reminder, this list has an official soft limit of 30 posts per [month]
Wil Sinclair writes:
just for guidance here- should I not publicly respond to those
who have publicly address me or talked about my actions or words
I find it helpful to quote
for suggestion; reckless, if you
would. Please be kind. As you can see from the comments of others,
there is no such consensus, mainly just requests to slow down.
Erik Moeller writes:
As a reminder, this list has an official soft limit of 30 posts per [month]
Wil Sinclair writes:
just
What???
What talk page are you talking about? How in the world am I making an
unsafe environment?
Those are some *very* serious charges. I'm really just stunned.
*No wonder people are afraid to post here!*
,Wil
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28 May
.
Newyorkbrad/IBM
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
What???
What talk page are you talking about? How in the world am I making an
unsafe environment?
Those are some *very* serious charges. I'm really just stunned.
*No wonder people are afraid to post here
Ah. You mean the edit that I didn't write, I didn't post to IRC, and
I've never actually seen.
Got it.
,Wil
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Molly White
gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
Wil Sinclair wllm@... writes:
What???
What talk page are you talking about? How in the world am
, she is instead trying to deal
with the fallout of her life partner creating havoc amongst her staff and
the volunteers who contribute to the projects for which she will be
imminently responsible for. That's sad beyond words.
Risker
On 28 May 2014 23:54, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote
*ding don* false dichotomy bell rings: why are so many discussing about wiki
stuff on Facebook? Or in person with their family? Or or or or or?
Besides knowing for a fact that we're not discussing anything like
this in our family for obvious reasons, I don't know whether they are
being
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 4:39 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 12:16 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
The main thing to keep in mind is that, even when the community
members are being INFURIATING IDIOTS (and almost certainly considering
you an
Ha! Awesome stuff. I wish I could find the one of CJ telling Will that his
one and only task is to never let the press corps see that they've gotten
under his skin...
Hi Pete. What are you referring to here?
Thanks.
,Wil
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Wikimedia-l mailing
of hope that she can
chart a better course through the crippling dynamics of the last couple
years.
Pete
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
I'm going to give you a serious piece of advice here as someone who has
held one of the most public position
I just ask for a chance to
show you guys that I can be a productive member of the WP community in
my own way as myself and nobody else. Fae, will you please give me
that chance?
...
Sure. Give me a link to some articles on the English Wikipedia you
have created, at least one being a
Hey what happened to disclaiming any relevant link between the two of you?
Not exactly consistent with you canvasing for an apology on her behalf. Of
course it is somewhat alarming that you are suggesting that our new ED
can't handle robust criticism but I personally prefer to trust the
Craig, I was trying to be kind. If you consider that a threat, then I
apologize to you, Pete, and the whole list.
I think at this point words have served us about as well as they ever
will. Some of you don't like the fact that I've participated on
Wikipediocracy. Others are uncomfortable because
So perhaps you can understand why you emerging from WO with questions
about child protection rang all sort of alarm bells. You didn't look
like you were genuinely curious but as though you were simply aping one
of their calls for war. Coming from most anyone else, it'd have been
dismissed
I don't know about any specific incidents Newyorkbrad has referred to
below, but I generally agree with his characterization of the site.
I've told them exactly what I think of the nature of some discourse
there when I started this thread:
http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13t=4527.
Wil, I've been here ten years and I can't usefully answer your
question what's going on? in a sentence (or a paragraph or an
essay). You can only learn by participating. You can learn some things
by reading all the justifiably-banned users have to say, but I'm not
sure they're things that
Is the following a full statement of Wikipedia's Child Protection
Policy, reflecting all responsibilities that the Wikipedia community
and the Wikimedia Foundation have taken on to protect children in all
of the projects they are involved with and/or sponsor?
Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote:
On May 23, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 May 2014 13:05, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
Is the following a full statement of Wikipedia's Child Protection
Policy, reflecting all responsibilities that the Wikipedia community
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 May 2014 19:23, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
Is it correct that each project/subdomain of Wikipedia and Wikimedia
has its own, potentially unique Child Protection Policy?
No. The meta policy at
https://meta.wikimedia.org
Wil, no need to apologize -- nobody accused you of doing anything wrong,
just pointed out the likely consequences of certain approaches. But I do
think it's very likely that, given your strong connection to the Wikimedia
Foundation, your choice to engage extensively at the Wikipediaocracy site
Then stick to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk
Straight What is the policy on X questions aren't really the purpose of
this mailing list.
--
geni
Thanks for the advice; that's exactly the kind of thing a newbie like
me could use. Also, thanks for the link; I'll read
OK, can you explain why you participate on Wikipediocracy?
Thanks, Edward! I was starting to worry that no one would ask.
I participate on WO because I think every voice deserves to be heard.
And I will go wherever people feel comfortable speaking freely to hear
them. Some of us feel
Not really. Generally people are concerned about
a) giving legitimacy to an organised group for consensus manipulation, ad
hominem attacks and harassment of wikimedian;
2) getting distracted by hypothetically legitimate but secondary or
irrelevant issues.
Nemo
Hi Nemo, thanks for the
I figure since you're new it bears repeating: Wikipediocracy isn't really
the go-to general purpose discussion forum for Wikipedia. Wikipedia itself
is the place contributors in good standing talk about the future of the
project. Wikipediocracy is where people go to gossip and troll,
I'm not against anyone participating in any site that criticizes or mocks
Wikipedia or the WMF. But I do get the sense that Wil is jumping into his
wife's new territory with both feet, and not necessarily taking the ginger
approach to the most controversial issues that have confronted the
Doesn't it strike you as odd that the question came from an active
wikipediocracy memeber?
Honestly, I hadn't thought about it. I'm much more interested in the
question that who asked it.
You know where 4chan is I assume.
No, actually. Can you tell me? What is it?
Again you cite free
I'm going to give you a serious piece of advice here as someone who has
held one of the most public position of authority on the English
Wikipedia (the scare quotes are quite on purpose, ask me about them some
day).
Thanks. I appreciate any advice.
Wikipedia Review and its successor WO are
From the interactions I've observed, you (Wil) are too smart to be doing
what you're doing, which makes some of your behavior all the more worrying.
Thanks!
You're willfully ignoring the consequences (real and potential) of your
actions. I'm worried about what it says when you have 18 posts
I don't think it's a secret that I've also been active on the
Wikipediocracy forums. I've seen some rough stuff over there, and I've
even started a thread lecturing them on the nature of their discourse:
http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13t=4527
That said, I haven't seen anyone on
One of the tricks about using metrics to make decisions is that many
metrics are more or less easily manipulated to affect the decisions
themselves. It's a sort of social version of the Uncertainty
principle, and the uncertainty in this case would be the integrity of
the metrics.
That's not to
Maybe the name of the thread should be changed, then.
,Wil
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:11 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8 May 2014 17:42, edward edw...@logicmuseum.com wrote:
Geni:
You seem to think its straightforward. If you think that you should be
able to propose a study
I'm a total newb here, and I know the grant system between WMF and the
different chapters has been debated in the past. But I have a simple
question: if WMF is funding these efforts through grants and the grant
money is used to review and/or manage content, wouldn't it be
indirectly getting
I looked at WMF's grant page here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants. I don't see any mention of
grants for academic research. Does the WMF give such grants? If not,
why not?
,Wil
On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 1:06 AM, Thyge
Would it be possible for WMF or another organization to initiate and
potentially fund a project modeled on the Human Genome Project? That
is, WMF or some other institution could host a large database of data
that researchers can contribute to and that makes all the data
available for researchers
I'm Wil Sinclair, Lila Tretikov's significant other.
I've always wanted a good excuse to get involved in the Wikipedia
project and the Wikipedia community. Lila's appointment would be about
as good as it gets. :)
I'm looking forward to getting to know everyone and understanding more
about what
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