Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia "paid volunteers"

2014-04-04 Thread
Yann, the nuclear industry controversy was more the issue of control/ownership of content (which can happen on Commons, for example the news today about attempts to restrict reuse of Barack Obama's image). It is a tangent to this proposal. If you have other examples and think current project polici

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia "paid volunteers"

2014-04-04 Thread Yann Forget
Hi, In 2007, there was some significant conflict on the French Wkipedia, when people working for the nuclear industry edited related articles, and denied anyone without a PhD on nuclear physics any autority about this subject. Further more they refused any reference from outside the nuclear indust

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia "paid volunteers"

2014-04-04 Thread
On 04/04/2014, Richard Symonds wrote: > Just a quick correction, you say that "Even a paid researcher on a > university project would not meet this definition, unless the project were > part funded or in partnership with Wikimedia. " > > This is not quite accurate: even a student on a university p

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia "paid volunteers"

2014-04-04 Thread Richard Symonds
Just a quick correction, you say that "Even a paid researcher on a university project would not meet this definition, unless the project were part funded or in partnership with Wikimedia. " This is not quite accurate: even a student on a university project would meet this definition if his univers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia "paid volunteers"

2014-04-04 Thread
On 4 April 2014 14:33, Gryllida wrote: > On Fri, 4 Apr 2014, at 22:14, Fæ wrote: >> *Definition of "paid volunteer":* >> Paid volunteers are employees, contractors or part time contractors of >> Wikimedia organizations or other organizations having agreements or >> partnerships with Wikimedia. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia "paid volunteers"

2014-04-04 Thread
On 4 April 2014 14:05, Richard Symonds wrote: ... > It seems to me that the term 'paid volunteer' is an oxymoron. ... Yes, it is oxymoronic, many common terms are, though I am open to an alternative form of words. I understand that volunteers who are also employees do not want to be required to a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia "paid volunteers"

2014-04-04 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I can understand the sentiment and, it makes some sense. However, I do not like weasel words ... "paid employees".. Bah They are not volunteering. They are on a job, have a mission. I think that employees of any organisations may work for the benefit of bringing the sum of all knowledge toget

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia "paid volunteers"

2014-04-04 Thread Gryllida
On Fri, 4 Apr 2014, at 22:14, Fæ wrote: > *Definition of "paid volunteer":* > Paid volunteers are employees, contractors or part time contractors of > Wikimedia organizations or other organizations having agreements or > partnerships with Wikimedia. The paid volunteer contributes to Wikimedia > pro

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia "paid volunteers"

2014-04-04 Thread Richard Symonds
A bit of unsolicited advice from a chapter staff member and long-time volunteer coming up. It doesn't represent my view on this proposal, but is, as I said, simply unsolicited advice! Feel free to ignore it if you want. Here we go... It seems to me that the term 'paid volunteer' is an oxymoron. A

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia "paid volunteers"

2014-04-04 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Perhaps I'm just being obtuse, but I'm a little unclear on the definition of a paid volunteer. Could you possibly try rephrasing it so that I'm more clear? pb *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org

[Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia "paid volunteers"

2014-04-04 Thread
Proposal: "Paid volunteers" should take care to identify themselves on Wikimedia Projects and discussions related to Wikimedia Projects. Sue Gardner's initial report by the WMF into the Belfer case makes a key decision that there must be effective processes for escalation of employee activities t