Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group

2012-08-04 Thread Martin Poulter
Asking people to comment on something they haven't seen would indeed be unreasonable. Fortunately, Jon did something entirely different: inviting those interested to get in touch with the person who will write the response. Why not take up the suggestion? On 3 August 2012 20:41, geni

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group

2012-08-04 Thread Deryck Chan
On Aug 3, 2012 5:07 PM, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 03/08/12 15:46, Michael Peel wrote: 'We' the editing community (all 1000 that !voted online) felt SOPA/PIPA was relevant, and blacked out the site. 'We' the charity communicated the decision and views of the community to the

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group

2012-08-04 Thread geni
On 4 August 2012 12:14, Martin Poulter infob...@gmail.com wrote: Asking people to comment on something they haven't seen would indeed be unreasonable. Fortunately, Jon did something entirely different: inviting those interested to get in touch with the person who will write the response. Why

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group

2012-08-04 Thread Gordon Joly
On 04/08/12 19:14, Deryck Chan wrote: No they aren't, and they shouldn't be expected to, because the two have a great overlap of membership and the same goals. Overlap of membership is no reason to make two groups identical, either in reality or in the mind of third parties. Gordo

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group

2012-08-04 Thread rexx
Human perception is rarely governed by either reason or reality. -- Rexx On 4 August 2012 21:52, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote: On 04/08/12 19:14, Deryck Chan wrote: No they aren't, and they shouldn't be expected to, because the two have a great overlap of membership and the

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group

2012-08-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
I would be strongly opposed to endorsing political lobbying groups on this or any other issues. I would like Wikimedia UK to be an educational organisation that remains fastidiously neutral on these conflicts and does not take any political sides, whether it is the side of the Pirate Party

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group

2012-08-03 Thread Jon Davies
I understand your fear of appearing political but it is not political to respond to government consultations - that is a civic duty. The Charity commission is very clear about this: All charities are united by having a vision of a better society. They have many different purposes, and are

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group

2012-08-03 Thread Tom Morris
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I sent this around a while back. The ORG would like our support. Joscelyn Upendram is preparing a simple reponse on our behalf, if anyone wants to offer her ideas contact her directly Jon Davies.

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group

2012-08-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 August 2012 14:06, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/joint-select/draft-communications-bill/news/call-for-evidence/ I did put together a list of Wikimedia-specific concerns with the draft bill a while back on the list. But

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group

2012-08-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: I understand your fear of appearing political but it is not political to respond to government consultations - that is a civic duty. The Charity commission is very clear about this: All charities are united by

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group

2012-08-03 Thread Charles Matthews
On 3 August 2012 14:15, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 August 2012 14:06, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: Also, despite what Andreas says, it's not about partisanship, the bill is drafted atrociously and extremely vaguely. Even if you agree with what the government is trying

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group

2012-08-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 3 August 2012 14:02, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: So it is then up to a charity to decide 'what is relevant' In our case we felt that SOPA/PIPA was relevant and went as far as to black out the English Wikipedia for a day. Your other - very valid - points notwithstanding,

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group

2012-08-03 Thread Jon Davies
You are so right Andy! Hush my mouth - I will go and hide under my WIkidesk! On 3 August 2012 15:46, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 3 August 2012 14:02, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: So it is then up to a charity to decide 'what is relevant' In our case we

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group

2012-08-03 Thread Gordon Joly
On 03/08/12 15:46, Michael Peel wrote: 'We' the editing community (all 1000 that !voted online) felt SOPA/PIPA was relevant, and blacked out the site. 'We' the charity communicated the decision and views of the community to the media. It's very much this communication role that we the

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group

2012-08-03 Thread rexx
That's excellent - do you think we could use our own-branded derivative as it's CC-BY-SA 3.0? I've attached a tiny thumbnail of what it might look like. -- Doug On 3 August 2012 17:10, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: On 3 Aug 2012, at 09:06, Gordon Joly wrote: On

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group

2012-08-03 Thread Gordon Joly
On 03/08/12 17:10, Michael Peel wrote: On 3 Aug 2012, at 09:06, Gordon Joly wrote: On 03/08/12 15:46, Michael Peel wrote: 'We' the editing community (all 1000 that !voted online) felt SOPA/PIPA was relevant, and blacked out the site. 'We' the charity communicated the decision and views of

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group

2012-08-03 Thread Gordon Joly
On 03/08/12 20:03, David Gerard wrote: and as a group of charities supported by public donation we owe it to the public to say who we are and what we're about, nevertheless the whims of the press and of the news cycle are not necessarily anything we should actually concern ourselves over

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Request from Open Rights Group

2012-08-03 Thread geni
On 3 August 2012 13:43, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I sent this around a while back. The ORG would like our support. Joscelyn Upendram is preparing a simple reponse on our behalf, if anyone wants to offer her ideas contact her directly Jon Davies. Its unreasonable to