Re: [Wikitech-l] Google Summer of Code 2009

2009-03-10 Thread Nicolas Dumazet
Yeah! I was part of the "mixed luck" from last year, and honestly, I get warm feelings when reading the friendly http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2009/Application_template ;) I don't know if anyone here is willing to be a mentor this year, but please go ahead, and try to help a stude

Re: [Wikitech-l] how to convert the latin1 SQL dump back into UTF-8?

2009-03-10 Thread jidanni
OK, I found if I use "mysqldump --default-character-set=latin1" I can read all that can be read in the dump. The only difference from plain mysqldump is -/*!40101 SET NAMES utf8 */; +/*!40101 SET NAMES latin1 */; But that doesn't seem to affect restores from the SQL file. I'm sold. ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Chris Down
Yes, but whilst StatusBot and the proposed bot would have comparable edit statistics, the latter would have more of a reason for running than 'to update people's statuses'. It's not just about actions, it's about the justification for those actions. - Chris On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Soxred

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Soxred93
What about replag? The bot would puke every time that replication stops. On Mar 10, 2009, at 8:02 PM [Mar 10, 2009 ], Robert Rohde wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:43 PM, K. Peachey > wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Robert Rohde >> wrote: >>> Out of curiousity, when a technical

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Soxred93
In case you didn't see the whole StatusBot fiasco on enwiki, I used to run a bot as a replacement to a replacement of [[User:StatusBot]]. The bot made 50k edis in a few months, and was soon shut down by Brion. A bot the edits the sandbox every few minutes would no way be approved. On Mar 1

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki developer meeting is drawing close

2009-03-10 Thread Brion Vibber
On 3/6/09 5:11 AM, Daniel Kinzler wrote: > The meet-up[1] is drawing close now: between April 3. and 5. we meet at the > c-base[2] in Berlin to discuss MediaWiki development, extensions, toolserver > projects, wiki research, etc. Registration[3] is open until March 20 (required > even if you alread

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread Brion Vibber
On 3/10/09 5:29 PM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Platonides wrote: >> Is mediawiki table structure going to change? > > Yes, it changes on a regular basis. > >> Moreover, any more private method for sharing the tables (eg. a trigger >> deleting the row when rev_deleted is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Brion Vibber
On 3/10/09 5:02 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: > Such things are probably totally unnecessary on enwiki, because there > is no shortage of people to complain, but I could image it might be > useful to have such an alert for smaller, non-English speaking wikis. *nod* -- brion ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Brion Vibber
On 3/10/09 4:39 PM, Platonides wrote: > The procedure is "a lot of people enter #wikimedia-tech complaining > about it". > There are automated alerts about servers going down or not having enough > free space on disk, but not for 'saving an edit failed'. That would be > tricky to do. Wouldn't be t

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:15 PM, K. Peachey wrote: > Not everyone knows how to use IRC, i would recommend that you > recommend people report to bugzilla with urgent tags instead. Sysadmins do not check Bugzilla constantly. They do check IRC constantly if you say their names in the right channel.

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Platonides wrote: > Is mediawiki table structure going to change? Yes, it changes on a regular basis. > Moreover, any more private method for sharing the tables (eg. a trigger > deleting the row when rev_deleted is set) would precisely lose the > backup ability t

[Wikitech-l] Google Summer of Code 2009

2009-03-10 Thread Brion Vibber
I’ve just put in Wikimedia’s org application for Google Summer of Code 2009… Hopefully we’ll get in. :) http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2009 ^ Add and update cool project ideas as a starting point for student applicants! We’ve had mixed luck in previous years with GSoC, but I think

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Robert Rohde
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:43 PM, K. Peachey wrote: > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Robert Rohde wrote: >> Out of curiousity, when a technical problem shuts down all editing on >> a major wiki (as this did) are there any automated alerts?  Is it >> likely to be noticed and addressed even if no

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/10 K. Peachey : >> A bot that edits the sandbox every few minutes would work, would it? > Possibly, but i would bump it up to like every two hours. Plus since > the MySQL is spread between multipul systems you would have make sure > it checks the same one all the time. If you're going to wa

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread K. Peachey
> A bot that edits the sandbox every few minutes would work, would it? Possibly, but i would bump it up to like every two hours. Plus since the MySQL is spread between multipul systems you would have make sure it checks the same one all the time. ___ Wik

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread Platonides
River Tarnell wrote: > i think the only non-money issue is that the > Wikimedia Foundation won't allow us to add any more admins until they do some > internal reorganisation of their databases, which we've been waiting for for > several months now. Is mediawiki table structure going to change? Rev

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/10 K. Peachey : > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Robert Rohde wrote: >> Out of curiousity, when a technical problem shuts down all editing on >> a major wiki (as this did) are there any automated alerts?  Is it >> likely to be noticed and addressed even if no one rushes to IRC? >> >> I gu

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread K. Peachey
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Robert Rohde wrote: > Out of curiousity, when a technical problem shuts down all editing on > a major wiki (as this did) are there any automated alerts?  Is it > likely to be noticed and addressed even if no one rushes to IRC? > > I guess I am curious what is the n

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Platonides
Robert Rohde wrote: > Out of curiousity, when a technical problem shuts down all editing on > a major wiki (as this did) are there any automated alerts? Is it > likely to be noticed and addressed even if no one rushes to IRC? > > I guess I am curious what is the normal delay between problem onset

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Robert Rohde
Out of curiousity, when a technical problem shuts down all editing on a major wiki (as this did) are there any automated alerts? Is it likely to be noticed and addressed even if no one rushes to IRC? I guess I am curious what is the normal delay between problem onset and problem recognition? -Ro

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread K. Peachey
> Please report urgent system administration issues to IRC, specifically > #wikimedia-tech on irc.freenode.net. > > -- Tim Starling Not everyone knows how to use IRC, i would recommend that you recommend people report to bugzilla with urgent tags instead. __

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki developer meeting is drawing close

2009-03-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/10 Daniel Kinzler : > Roan Kattouw schrieb: >> Daniel Kinzler schreef: >>> The schedule[4] is slowly becomming clear now: On Friday, we'll start at >>> noon >>> with a who-is-who-and-does-what session >> The schedule you're linking to says it starts at 3 PM. Which time is the >> right one?

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki developer meeting is drawing close

2009-03-10 Thread Lars Aronsson
Daniel Kinzler wrote: > So, come early, hang out a bit, the c-base is a cosy place :) > So... doors open at noon, schedule starts at 3pm. Satisfied? Or if you arrive in Berlin already on Thursday April 2, join me for lunch at the Museum of Technology, and we can spend that afternoon admiring t

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread Robert Rohde
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Daniel Kinzler wrote: > Robert Rohde schrieb: >> The converse of this is that some recognized experts would probably >> prefer to administer their own server/cluster rather than relying on >> some random guy with Wikimedia DE (or wherever) to get things done. > > A

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Robert Rohde schrieb: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, River Tarnell > wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> phoebe ayers: >>> River: Well, you say that part of the issue with the toolserver is money and >>> time... and this person that I've been talking to is offering

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread Andrea Forte
Let me know if you have a grant proposal you'd like help with! Andrea On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 4:30 PM, River Tarnell wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Andrea Forte: >> To give you an idea, for me personally, the incentive for a new resource is a >> need for a server (p

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread Robert Rohde
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, River Tarnell wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > phoebe ayers: >> River: Well, you say that part of the issue with the toolserver is money and >> time... and this person that I've been talking to is offering to throw money >> and time at t

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki developer meeting is drawing close

2009-03-10 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Roan Kattouw schrieb: > Daniel Kinzler schreef: >> The schedule[4] is slowly becomming clear now: On Friday, we'll start at noon >> with a who-is-who-and-does-what session > The schedule you're linking to says it starts at 3 PM. Which time is the > right one? Bah, naming times of day in english i

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread River Tarnell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrea Forte: > To give you an idea, for me personally, the incentive for a new resource is a > need for a server (perhaps a cluster) to support full-text queries at a > reasonable speed. then why not help us do this on the existing toolserver, so ev

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread Andrea Forte
I've been trying to do some work mining the full en dump with revision history and was involved in getting together the Syracuse grant proposal. To give you an idea, for me personally, the incentive for a new resource is a need for a server (perhaps a cluster) to support full-text queries at a reas

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread River Tarnell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 phoebe ayers: > River: Well, you say that part of the issue with the toolserver is money and > time... and this person that I've been talking to is offering to throw money > and time at the problem. So, what can they constructively do? i think this i

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread phoebe ayers
Thanks for the responses, all. Daniel and Bilal: the notes about the possible servers at Syracuse and Concordia are very interesting; it sounds like the researchers interested in such things should team up. Daniel: I am not sure what type of data is needed -- this is not my project (I'm only the

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread River Tarnell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aryeh Gregor: > Oh. Why does a single specific person have to handle the approval of > all toolserver account requests, then? because accounts have to be approved by WM-DE, and WM-DE has designated this person to approve accounts on their behalf.

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread River Tarnell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 phoebe ayers: > Personally, I think a dedicated toolserver is a great idea for the research > community, but I know very little about the technical issues involved and/or > whether this has been proposed before. Please comment, and I can pass on > repl

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia is full

2009-03-10 Thread Tim Starling
Magnus Manske wrote: > Database error > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > Jump to: navigation, search > A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in > the software. The last attempted database query was: > > (SQL query hidden) > > from within function "External

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Bilal Abdul Kader schrieb: > Greetings, > We are setting up a research server at Concordia University (Canada) that is > dedicated for Wikipedia. We would love to share the resources with anyone > interested. > > In case anyone needs help setting it up, we would love to help as well. > > bilal T

Re: [Wikitech-l] research-oriented toolserver?

2009-03-10 Thread Daniel Kinzler
Robert Rohde schrieb: > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Andrew Garrett wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:21 PM, K. Peachey wrote: Currently all data, including private data, is replicated to the toolserver. We could not do this with a third-party server. >>> My understanding is that t