Re: [Wikitech-l] How would you disrupt Wikipedia?

2011-01-01 Thread Tei
On 1 January 2011 03:03, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: On this note, MTV Networks (my previous job) switched from using Mediawiki to Confluence a couple years ago. They mainly cited ease of use and Microsoft Office integration as the reasons. Personally I hated it, except for the

[Wikitech-l] Compatibility

2011-01-01 Thread Happy-melon
I've been skimming the archives looking for something unrelated, and noticed that we fairly regularly have threads about compatibility, specifically the use of function X or feature Y in PHP, CSS, skins, or whatever. I concluded that we don't really have one centralised place where we document

[Wikitech-l] WYSIWTF working demo

2011-01-01 Thread Magnus Manske
Happy new year all! Let me welcome you to this historical year (10 years of Wikipedia! Wow!) with a working demo of WYSIWTF, a pure JavaScript attempt at (pseudo-) WYSIWYG wikipedia editing. For the impatient, add document.write('script type=text/javascript

Re: [Wikitech-l] WYSIWTF working demo

2011-01-01 Thread Jan Paul Posma
What I would like is some discussion about * if this approach (working pseudo-WYSIWYG instead of unattainable perfect WYSIWYG) is the way to go * if the code I wrote would be a suitable basis for a system we can throw at the general public * if anyone is willing to help me with that As

Re: [Wikitech-l] WYSIWTF working demo

2011-01-01 Thread David Gerard
On 1 January 2011 12:50, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: What I would like is some discussion about * if this approach (working pseudo-WYSIWYG instead of unattainable perfect WYSIWYG) is the way to go The question is: can it be incrementally improved, new tags and ways to

Re: [Wikitech-l] How would you disrupt Wikipedia?

2011-01-01 Thread David Gerard
On 1 January 2011 02:03, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: On this note, MTV Networks (my previous job) switched from using Mediawiki to Confluence a couple years ago. There's a certain large media organisation in the UK that uses Confluence for WYSIWYG and access control lists. And

Re: [Wikitech-l] How would you disrupt Wikipedia?

2011-01-01 Thread David Gerard
On 1 January 2011 15:03, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't have ease of use at all. What it has is a features list and a sales team. In terms of ease of use, my current workplace has an official Plone-based intranet and a few less-official MediaWiki installations. Our office

Re: [Wikitech-l] WYSIWTF working demo

2011-01-01 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Mathias Schindler mathias.schind...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2011 10:34:00 AM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] WYSIWTF working demo On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Magnus Manske

Re: [Wikitech-l] WYSIWTF working demo

2011-01-01 Thread Fred Bauder
- Original Message - From: Mathias Schindler mathias.schind...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, January 1, 2011 10:34:00 AM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] WYSIWTF working demo On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Magnus Manske

Re: [Wikitech-l] WYSIWTF working demo

2011-01-01 Thread Mathias Schindler
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: Some people -- you can include me in this -- *actively* hate WYSIWYG editing, my comment was in no way about the pros and cons of WYSIWYG editing and the decision at Wikimedia to have its own turing complete language for

Re: [Wikitech-l] Does anybody have the 20080726 dump version?

2011-01-01 Thread David Gerard
On 31 December 2010 17:09, Ariel T. Glenn ar...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'd like all the dumps from all the projects to be on line.  Being realistic I think we would wind up keeping offline copies of all of it, and copies from every 6 months online, with the last several months of consecutive

Re: [Wikitech-l] Does anybody have the 20080726 dump version?

2011-01-01 Thread Ariel T. Glenn
Στις 01-01-2011, ημέρα Σαβ, και ώρα 16:42 +, ο/η David Gerard έγραψε: On 31 December 2010 17:09, Ariel T. Glenn ar...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'd like all the dumps from all the projects to be on line. Being realistic I think we would wind up keeping offline copies of all of it, and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Does anybody have the 20080726 dump version?

2011-01-01 Thread Huib Laurens
I have been talking to Ariel about mirroring the dumps. I guess that I know at the end of the month if we really are going to do it... But sounds good to have some stable mirrors. Best, Huib ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Does anybody have the 20080726 dump version?

2011-01-01 Thread Ariel T. Glenn
I'd like to remind everyone once again of the mirror page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mirroring_Wikimedia_project_XML_dumps If you have any ideas, please add them there, and pursue them or ask for help in doing so. If you are able to host, don't be shy, step right up ;-) Ariel Στις

Re: [Wikitech-l] WYSIWTF working demo

2011-01-01 Thread Joe Corneli
I love it and for the sake of demonstration the deep impact of the approach, I recommend one minor change: Retitle it WYSIFTW ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] WYSIWTF working demo

2011-01-01 Thread Joe Corneli
Unfortunately I would say the thing is broken for me, insofar as various keys (e.g. j,k,f,g,h,l) result in editor actions instead of characters being inserted. On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Happy new year all! Let me welcome you to this

Re: [Wikitech-l] WYSIWTF working demo

2011-01-01 Thread David Gerard
On 1 January 2011 16:53, Joe Corneli holtzerman...@gmail.com wrote: I love it and for the sake of demonstration the deep impact of the approach, I recommend one minor change: Retitle it WYSIFTW +1 - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

[Wikitech-l] What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG)

2011-01-01 Thread lampak
I've been following the discussion and as I can see it's already become rather unproductive*. So I hope my cutting in will not be very much out of place (even if I don't really know what I'm talking about). Many people here has stated the main reason why a WYSIWYG editor is not feasible is the

Re: [Wikitech-l] WYSIWTF working demo

2011-01-01 Thread Magnus Manske
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 6:17 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 January 2011 16:53, Joe Corneli holtzerman...@gmail.com wrote: I love it and for the sake of demonstration the deep impact of the approach, I recommend one minor change: Retitle it WYSIFTW +1 I hope you're both

Re: [Wikitech-l] WYSIWTF working demo

2011-01-01 Thread Krinkle
I'm getting blank pages after adding that (in Safari, Mac). I tried using importScriptURI'ing it but to no luck. I presume because the script internally calls more document.writes. -- Krinkle Op 1 jan 2011, om 13:50 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven: For the impatient, add

Re: [Wikitech-l] Missing Section Headings

2011-01-01 Thread Ilmari Karonen
On 12/31/2010 03:07 PM, Platonides wrote: Marc Riddell wrote: I have been a WP editor since 2006. I hope you can help me. For some reason I no longer have Section Heading titles showing in the Articles. This is true of all Headings including the one that carries the Article subject's name.

Re: [Wikitech-l] WYSIWTF working demo

2011-01-01 Thread Krinkle
Op 1 jan 2011, om 13:50 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven: For the impatient, add document.write('script type=text/javascript src=http://toolserver.org/~magnus/wysiwtf/wysiwtf.js;\/script'); to your vector.js, Okay, I've switched to Firefox 4 Beta on Mac and it works there. One

Re: [Wikitech-l] WYSIWTF working demo

2011-01-01 Thread Joe Corneli
On 1/1/11, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Works for me (Mac, Chrome). Not tested anywhere else. Your OS/browser? That was on FF3.6, running under X11 on Mac OS. Not the most mainstream combo :) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] WYSIWTF working demo

2011-01-01 Thread Magnus Manske
2011/1/1 Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com: Op 1 jan 2011, om 13:50 heeft Magnus Manske het volgende geschreven: For the impatient, add document.write('script type=text/javascript src=http://toolserver.org/~magnus/wysiwtf/wysiwtf.js;\/script'); to your vector.js, Okay, I've switched to

Re: [Wikitech-l] What would be a perfect wiki syntax? (Re: WYSIWYG)

2011-01-01 Thread Roan Kattouw
2011/1/1 lampak llam...@gmail.com: It could be fixed by forbidding leaving unclosed tags in templates. [...] I've tried to think how a perfect parser should work. Most of this has been already mentioned. I think it should work in two steps: first tokenise the code and transform it into an

[Wikitech-l] Open Allure: Software for wiki-based text-to-speech (TTS)

2011-01-01 Thread John Graves
As part of my PhD research, the Open Allure Dialog System project is developing software to play wiki-based text-to-speech (TTS) scripts to add voiceovers to wiki pages. The project currently has free Mac and Windows download versions and open source Python code available at

Re: [Wikitech-l] Missing Section Headings

2011-01-01 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: I doubt the addition of overflow:hidden has this consequence since that has been broadly tested in all kinds of browsers and has been default on several wikis for a long while. IIRC, overflow: hidden does indeed cause this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Missing Section Headings

2011-01-01 Thread Krinkle
Op 2 jan 2011, om 01:13 heeft Aryeh Gregor het volgende geschreven: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: I doubt the addition of overflow:hidden has this consequence since that has been broadly tested in all kinds of browsers and has been default on several

Re: [Wikitech-l] How would you disrupt Wikipedia?

2011-01-01 Thread Erik Moeller
2010/12/29 Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org: One thing we can do is to reduce the sense of urgency. Further deployment of FlaggedRevs (pending changes) is the obvious way to do this. By hiding recent edits, admins can deal with bad edits in their own time, rather reacting in the heat of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deprecating content_actions

2011-01-01 Thread jidanni
Well OK, just hope none of what I wrote breaks. function JidanniLessRedContentActions($sktemplate,$content_actions){ //Besides Monobook, (our target), this even also gets run by Vector skin but doesn\'t affect it apparently 11/2010 if(array_key_exists('talk',

[Wikitech-l] Backup / Mirror of wikipedia dumps

2011-01-01 Thread Austin McChord
Hi, I run a Data Storage / Backup company and I recently posted to reddit (redd.it/eus9z) about the fact that we have extra bandwidth/storage available and wanted to use it to do something good for the internet as a whole. From there I was referred to this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Backup / Mirror of wikipedia dumps

2011-01-01 Thread Ariel T. Glenn
At the moment the easiest way for you to mirror our content would be via wget. You would want to generate a list of the most recent completed dumps, or we might make such a list available on a biweekly basis. I need to think about the best mechanism for that. There is also an RSS feed which