I've been sitting back watching this thread as it has unfolded, as well as
the discussions in a few other places, to better understand how this
particular subset of the Wikimedia/Mediawiki community problem-solved. I'd
like to share with you all a few observations.
Steven and Jon, consider having
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Jon Robson wrote:
> 1) Picking a new open font that is either
> ** widely available on Linux but not so much on Windows
> ** renders well in Windows
>
Coming back to the above option...
Today we spent some time testing a stack that puts Nimbus Sans L first,
befor
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Steven Walling wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Matthew Walker >wrote:
>
> > Perhaps this is a question that has an answer elsewhere but, irrespective
> > of if this change should be made to WMF wikis, why are we:
> >
> > a) Making this a change in core?
>
On Apr 8, 2014, at 7:34 PM, Chris Steipp wrote:
> If you hit this issue, logging out and logging in again seems to fix the
> problem. I'm still trying to track down why this is happening.
Not a master/slave/LB sync thing?
Here’s the main serverfault Q&A item about Heartbleed:
http://serverfault
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Matthew Walker wrote:
> Perhaps this is a question that has an answer elsewhere but, irrespective
> of if this change should be made to WMF wikis, why are we:
>
> a) Making this a change in core?
>
> and b) Not making the change in core be a SASS variable that can t
On Friday, April 4, 2014, Quim Gil wrote:
>
> The selection process continues. Mentors' discretion is increasing, and so
> does candidates' curiosity. Even if we have made most of our choices, we
> don't know how many slots we will get, and we are bound to a requirement of
> confidentiality befor
Due to the speed of the script, it will take a while for everyone to be
logged out.
If you hit this issue, logging out and logging in again seems to fix the
problem. I'm still trying to track down why this is happening.
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Greg Grossmeier wrote:
> Chris S is active
Chris S is actively looking into this. Thanks for the note.
--
Sent from my phone, please excuse brevity.
On Apr 8, 2014 4:18 PM, "Risker" wrote:
> Thanks for the heads-up, Greg. However, I'm finding that I am being
> repeatedly logged out...it's happened every other edit I've made tonight,
> w
Thanks for the heads-up, Greg. However, I'm finding that I am being
repeatedly logged out...it's happened every other edit I've made tonight,
which is a real pain. Will report on IRC as well.
Risker/Anne
On 8 April 2014 16:57, Greg Grossmeier wrote:
> FYI to this audience as well:
>
> We're
As a complement to the upcoming Project Management Tools RfC --
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Project_management_tools_review...
If Phabricator would substitute our current collaboration tools tomorrow,
what would you miss?
Please reply in the appropriate Phabricator tasks (
On 2014-04-08, 12:33 PM, Martijn Hoekstra wrote:
> That is not the status quo, but the diff between the Odder patch and the
> typography refresh basically is the "Set a non-free font stack to give Mac
> now Helvetica Neue rather than Helvetica", with a -2 is planted in the
> ground before as a dema
Googling, I found http://heartbleed.com/ and
https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20140407.txt gave more technical
description of the issue in question, which I found interesting.
Thought I'd pass the links along in case they are useful to anyone
else.
Anyhow, some scary stuff there.
--bawolff
On
Perhaps this is a question that has an answer elsewhere but, irrespective
of if this change should be made to WMF wikis, why are we:
a) Making this a change in core?
and b) Not making the change in core be a SASS variable that can then be
set as a preference somewhere? (I say this because we've c
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Steven Walling wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Martijn Hoekstra <
> martijnhoeks...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Martijn Hoekstra
> > > wrote:
> > > > So, the f
FYI to this audience as well:
We're reseting all user session tokens today due to heartbleed.
What I didn't state below is that we have already replaced our SSL certs
as well as upgraded to the fixed version of openssl.
- Forwarded message from Greg Grossmeier -
> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014
I want to clarify Steven's point, which was mostly clear but I want to make
sure the details and rationale are pointed out.
When mixing serif and san-serif typefaces using any random two font faces
is not acceptable, therefore letting the browser/OS arbitrarily choose any
serif to pair with any sa
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Martijn Hoekstra wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Martijn Hoekstra
> > wrote:
> > > So, the font stack changes with regards to the status quo now change
> > > nothing for Windows users, changes H
Copying and pasting what I wrote on that patchset
"For the record, I'm happy to +2 this if necessary but I still feel
this is a short term crappy solution that doesn't truly promote unfree
fonts as claimed in the commit message (since we are basically saying
in this give non-free Helvetica for Mac
Just a note that Brandon just commented on the patchset:
"We discussed this patch today during our weekly design team meeting
and how to move forward. At this point in time we are leaning towards
+2'ing this but we want to have a bit of discussion internally before
doing so.
We'll have something
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Martijn Hoekstra
> wrote:
> > So, the font stack changes with regards to the status quo now change
> > nothing for Windows users, changes Helvetica -> Helvetica neue for Mac
> > users and changes Arial, DejaVu
Hey, some time passed since the DataStore RFC[1] was approved, and the
code is ready for your consideration: [2]. Your comments will be
highly appreciated!
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/DataStore
[2] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/79029/
--
Best regards,
M
On Apr 8, 2014 12:10 PM, "Isarra Yos" wrote:
>
> On 08/04/14 06:57, S Page wrote:
>>
>> In https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/124475/ (go back to sans-serif)
>> Legoktm claims "There was a consensus that listing only non-free fonts
was
>> not acceptable", that's not my recollection. Was a bug eve
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Isarra Yos wrote:
> Linux often gets arial. Anyone with wine will probably have it installed,
> too, and most will have wine even if they don't use it. It's not
> necessarily a particularly good copy, either.
With the current stack that won't happen even if the u
On 08-04-2014 19:29, Jared Zimmerman wrote:
I don't really have the energy to keep having this conversation, I
appreciate that everyone has taken the time to weigh in on this whatever
you opinion is on the matter.
I am sorry you feel that way. But I have to make one thing clear:
This is not an
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Martijn Hoekstra
wrote:
> So, the font stack changes with regards to the status quo now change
> nothing for Windows users, changes Helvetica -> Helvetica neue for Mac
> users and changes Arial, DejaVu Sans or Arimo for possibly something else,
> amongst which Nimb
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Jared Zimmerman <
jared.zimmer...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> I don't really have the energy to keep having this conversation, I
> appreciate that everyone has taken the time to weigh in on this whatever
> you opinion is on the matter.
>
> From Issara...
> * Windows us
Jared Zimmerman writes:
> I'm tired of fighting over this, I'd like to move on, and moving on does
> not mean going on to the status quo.
The status quo has been thoroughly tested by 400 million viewers a month, for
46 months (June 2010-March 2014; ); it is a flexible and elegant solution
that
I don't really have the energy to keep having this conversation, I
appreciate that everyone has taken the time to weigh in on this whatever
you opinion is on the matter.
From Issara...
* Windows users got fonts optimised for Windows, and which Windows
knows well how to render. They may not be
On 08/04/14 06:57, S Page wrote:
In https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/124475/ (go back to sans-serif)
Legoktm claims "There was a consensus that listing only non-free fonts was
not acceptable", that's not my recollection. Was a bug ever filed?
Kaldari valiantly tried to put non-free fonts firs
On 08-04-2014 03:25, Steven Walling wrote:
I totally agree. I don't see how there is any indication this is
functionally broken or a major regression across languages, keeping in mind
the necessity of ULS et al still. What major language-related bugs have
been raised that would not be present re
On 08-04-2014 05:01, Ori Livneh wrote:
Erwin, can you help me understand what is a "suitable localization
mechanism"? I filed bug 59983 ("Investigate noto font as potential
replacement for diverse font families") back in January because I thought
it could help with localization, so I'd really li
On 4/8/14, S Page wrote:
> In https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/124475/ (go back to sans-serif)
> Legoktm claims "There was a consensus that listing only non-free fonts was
> not acceptable", that's not my recollection. Was a bug ever filed?
>
> Kaldari valiantly tried to put non-free fonts firs
(5) is the only serious option. Steven, you're being unnecessarily
negative, nobody is proposing a revert. We can keep "serif" for headers
in core (but not Georgia and Times because they were catastrophic).
That's progress.
Nemo
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On Apr 8, 2014 3:46 AM, "Steven Walling" wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 5:40 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
>
> > I've read through this thread and I've formulated two questions:
> >
> > * Is there consensus to specify "font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',
Helvetica,
> > Arial, sans-serif;" in MediaWiki core?
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