Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

2014-06-10 Thread Pine W
FWIW, for me as a power user who watches many discussions simultaneously on multiple wikis, a unified watchlist and more refined tools for watchlist management are among the features at the top of my development wish list. Pine On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

2014-06-10 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, for me as a power user who watches many discussions simultaneously on multiple wikis, a unified watchlist and more refined tools for watchlist management are among the features at the top of my development wish list.

Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

2014-06-10 Thread Thomas Gries
Am 10.06.2014 09:33, schrieb Erik Moeller: On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, for me as a power user who watches many discussions simultaneously on multiple wikis, a unified watchlist and more refined tools for watchlist management are among the features

Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

2014-06-10 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 1:09 AM, Thomas Gries m...@tgries.de wrote: Watchlist and (fine-granular definable) E-Mail-Notifications are very important - for my daily work. LiquidThreads and Echo (if you opt-in to mail) offer that (using the MediaWiki UserMailer functions). Does Flow also

Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

2014-06-10 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Jun 10, 2014 9:33 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, for me as a power user who watches many discussions simultaneously on multiple wikis, a unified watchlist and more refined tools for watchlist

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tech Talk: How, What, Why of WikiFont

2014-06-10 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Yes, there are docs. Please edit and link from other pages. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Hangout_meetings Nemo ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

[Wikitech-l] Preventing MW from adding a page to watchlist

2014-06-10 Thread Petr Bena
There is no mention of this feature in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Rollback but according to Helder in this bug report https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66273 mediawiki insert every page to which a rollback api was used on to a users watchlist. Is there a way to disable it?

[Wikitech-l] RRe: [Pkg-mediawiki-devel] [MediaWiki-announce] MediaWiki 1.23.0 released

2014-06-10 Thread wp mirror
Dear Brad, Thank you very much. Most extensions are now showing all recent branches. The following extensions, however, still have missing branches: Elastica: most recent `origin/REL1_22', have `origin/wmf/1.24wmf8' MobileApp: no `origin/REL1_xx', have `origin/wmf/1.24wmf8 Popups: no

Re: [Wikitech-l] Preventing MW from adding a page to watchlist

2014-06-10 Thread Arcane 21
This seems to be a MW bug. Ever since we updated our wiki to MW 1.23, this has been happening to lots of our users, myself included. Apparently, the option to add pages edited to the watchlist is checked by default, which probably needs to be disabled by default. Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014

Re: [Wikitech-l] Preventing MW from adding a page to watchlist

2014-06-10 Thread MZMcBride
Arcane 21 wrote: This seems to be a MW bug. Ever since we updated our wiki to MW 1.23, this has been happening to lots of our users, myself included. Apparently, the option to add pages edited to the watchlist is checked by default, which probably needs to be disabled by default. I believe this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Preventing MW from adding a page to watchlist

2014-06-10 Thread Jeremy Baron
On Jun 10, 2014 9:18 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: And sysadmins of larger wiki installations probably want to re-visit whether the user preferences defaults are appropriate for their communities. They also may wan to consider reading the release announcement emails… (e.g.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Preventing MW from adding a page to watchlist

2014-06-10 Thread Arcane 21
Thanks for the reminder. However, I think that not all those settings are not necessarily good, and here's why: * (bug 45020) Make preferences Add pages I create and files I upload to my watchlist and pages and files I edit true by default. This seems to be the default on Wikia, which I have

Re: [Wikitech-l] Preventing MW from adding a page to watchlist

2014-06-10 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:57 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: There is no mention of this feature in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Rollback Unfortunately, the documentation on mediawiki.org is sometimes out of date. Please feel free to update it. but according to Helder in this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Preventing MW from adding a page to watchlist

2014-06-10 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Arcane 21 arc...@live.com wrote: I personally only like to use a watchlist to keep track of select pages instead of every page I edit, so I find this default irritating. Then change the preference. That's what preferences are *for*. The default value for a

[Wikitech-l] Serializing POST requests

2014-06-10 Thread Pratik Lahoti
Hi all, I am working on this script https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/138539/2/resources/js/ext.translate.special.pagemigration.js for importing old translations into the Translation extension. To do so, I have to create pages in the Translations namespace. The function createTranslationPages()

[Wikitech-l] Improving event announcements (was Re: Tech Talk: How, What, Why of WikiFont)

2014-06-10 Thread Quim Gil
On Tuesday, June 10, 2014, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, there are docs. Please edit and link from other pages. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Hangout_meetings Interesting, I didn't know about this page. Tech Talks use Google Hangout on Air, which is a slightly

Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

2014-06-10 Thread Quim Gil
So, LiquidThreads. :) If most of the discussion goes around tree structure discussions, and how some advanced users find wikitext's free form to be an advantage, maybe we can agree on certain points based on where exactly is LiquidThreads being used. * User talk pages. Do we need multithread

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineering Community Team - IRC Hour

2014-06-10 Thread Quim Gil
On Monday, June 9, 2014, Rachel Farrand rfarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: Correction to my last email: tomorrow's ECT IRC Hour begins at 1600 UCT http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=ETC+IRC+Houriso=20140610T16p1=1440 Thank you, Rachel. The meeting is starting in a bit

Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

2014-06-10 Thread David Gerard
On 10 June 2014 15:34, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: * User talk pages. Do we need multithread tree discussions in our user talk pages? No, we don't. And yet this is a popular use for LQT on LQT-using wikis, so will need to be covered by Flow. * Regular talk pages. In most cases a

Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

2014-06-10 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: * User talk pages. Do we need multithread tree discussions in our user talk pages? No, we don't. {{citation needed}} I suspect this is just like the point below. * Regular talk pages. In most cases a section gets 2-5

Re: [Wikitech-l] LiquidThreads - how do we kill it?

2014-06-10 Thread Brian Wolff
* User talk pages. Do we need multithread tree discussions in our user talk pages? No, we don't. * Regular talk pages. In most cases a section gets 2-5 replies at most. The I think you mean on average. There are outliers here, and they aren't that uncommon. That said i agree that in general

[Wikitech-l] Replacing LiquidThreads for Flow

2014-06-10 Thread Jon Robson
The other mail seems to have gone on a huge tangent about the benefits of Flow / what it can do. This is great but I feel like my original question has gone unanswered so I am resurrecting it with a new e-mail subject. I worry lots of good feedback got lost in that big email chain. So

Re: [Wikitech-l] Replacing LiquidThreads for Flow

2014-06-10 Thread Brian Wolff
On Jun 10, 2014 1:10 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: The other mail seems to have gone on a huge tangent about the benefits of Flow / what it can do. This is great but I feel like my original question has gone unanswered so I am resurrecting it with a new e-mail subject. I worry

Re: [Wikitech-l] Replacing LiquidThreads for Flow

2014-06-10 Thread James Forrester
On 10 June 2014 09:19, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 10, 2014 1:10 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: The other mail seems to have gone on a huge tangent about the benefits of Flow / what it can do. This is great but I feel like my original question has gone

Re: [Wikitech-l] Replacing LiquidThreads for Flow

2014-06-10 Thread Danny Horn
Jon, here's what I posted last week. It's possible that you missed it because I didn't post it as a reply to you... The Flow team is going to work in a few weeks on automatically archiving talk pages, so that we can enable Flow on pages where there are already existing conversations. Basically,

[Wikitech-l] Any reason for no enwiki dump this month?

2014-06-10 Thread Bryan White
Any reason for no enwiki dump this month? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Any reason for no enwiki dump this month?

2014-06-10 Thread Jeremy Baron
On Jun 10, 2014 1:30 PM, Bryan White bgwh...@gmail.com wrote: Any reason for no enwiki dump this month? No reason yet. See http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/xmldatadumps-l/2014-June/001038.html (You may want to subscribe there) -Jeremy ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineering Community Team - IRC Hour

2014-06-10 Thread Rachel Farrand
Please find the notes/log from today's Engineering Community Team IRC Hour here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Engineering_Community_Team/Meetings/2014-06-10 Thanks! :) On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Rachel Farrand rfarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: Correction to my last email: tomorrow's ECT

[Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-10 Thread Tim Starling
In CR comments on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/135290/ it has been proposed that we make a git clone of the MW core not be installable until $IP/vendor is populated somehow -- either by separately cloning the mediawiki/core/vendor project, or preferably by running composer to obtain

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-10 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/06/14 02:30, Tim Starling wrote: In CR comments on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/135290/ it has been proposed that we make a git clone of the MW core not be installable until $IP/vendor is populated somehow -- either by separately cloning the mediawiki/core/vendor project, or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-10 Thread John
there is currently a patch in gerrit which would do exactly that if merged. On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/06/14 02:30, Tim Starling wrote: In CR comments on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/135290/ it has been proposed that we make a git

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-10 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/06/14 03:24, John wrote: there is currently a patch in gerrit which would do exactly that if merged. Why? This sounds like a really bad idea, but maybe it isn't, and as a sysadmin and developer I need to know what it even is so I can decide if I should flip the fuck out. Or not. -I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-10 Thread John
My suggestion, Flip the fuck out Its a really bad idea that wasnt thought though, If users want SwiftMailer support it should be done in an extension, and not in core On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/06/14 03:24, John wrote: there is currently a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-10 Thread Daniel Friesen
On 2014-06-10, 7:30 PM, Tim Starling wrote: I have suggested, as a compromise, to make the vendor directory be a submodule pointing to mediawiki/core/vendor. Then users can either run git submodule update --init to obtain dependencies, or they can omit submodule initialisation and instead run

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-10 Thread John
What about doing the reasonable thing and leaving core the hell alone? this should be an extension and not shoved into core. On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:43 PM, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: On 2014-06-10, 7:30 PM, Tim Starling wrote: I have suggested, as a compromise, to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-10 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/06/14 03:31, John wrote: My suggestion, Flip the fuck out Its a really bad idea that wasnt thought though, If users want SwiftMailer support it should be done in an extension, and not in core On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, so I'm completely

Re: [Wikitech-l] Preventing MW from adding a page to watchlist

2014-06-10 Thread Petr Bena
That's what I needed - I prefer using documentation rather than random options :) Thanks On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:57 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: There is no mention of this feature in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-10 Thread John
There is zero reason that this shouldnt be in an extension. Basically a few users want to install a shinny new toy called swiftmailer into core, just because its shiny. In doing so they add a complexity and headache. Such a addition should be done as an extension On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:55

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-10 Thread Tim Starling
On 11/06/14 13:22, Isarra Yos wrote: That's a lot of discussion, and I'm not sure which bits are actually relevant here, so to clarify - are you saying that it's been proposed that MediaWiki not be installable from git without extra steps? If so, what would be the purpose of that? In the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making a plain MW core git clone not be installable

2014-06-10 Thread Matthew Walker
This also has knock on impacts elsewhere. BD808 has a patch that uses PSR-log and Monolog for logging. We're starting to move to a model where we recognize that we shouldn't write everything and that things in core have significantly better replacements in the wider PHP community. It doesn't make