2010/3/10 Aryeh Gregor :
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Roan Kattouw wrote:
>> On the other hand, we intend on setting up a server that runs these
>> tests automatically. Instead of having to pull these tests from a
>> million different places, it'd be nice if this s
nicated earlier, but until a few weeks ago the
status was "Ryan's patiently waiting for the Selenium servers to
arrive and get set up".
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heir request. You're right that we should
explicitly bring this page under new committers' attention.
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ost:
it's a virtual machine testing against a number other VMs, each
running a different OS/browser.
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an account with e-mail linked in CR is especially important.
>
I forwarded this e-mail to Bhagya and Janesh; I don't have ishimatsu's
contact details. Andrew, do you?
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it's released is more important
and more frequently used than providing easy access to tests to those
.3% of downloaders that are actually gonna run them.
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could easily be renamed to
/trunk/testing/extensions/UsabilityInitiative of course.
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bhagya - QA engineer for Calcey Technologies, will be committing
Selenium tests to /trunk/testing/selenium
janesh - same
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eam, which developed the
Vector skin. Like I said before, if WMF can't or won't dedicate one of
their few developers' time to something and no one in the volunteer
community cares, it doesn't happen.
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the page was deleted since you
started editing. Should be the time at which you clicked the edit
button
basetimestamp: Used to detect edit conflicts. Should be *exactly
equal* to the timestamp of the most recent revision of the page at the
time you
er session when you restart your browser), your
browser may reload the edit page but substitute the old content
(containing your work in progress) in the edit box. MediaWiki doesn't
know about this, so it records the so-called starttimestamp "wrongly".
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ll-blown
parse involving enwiki's crazy templates.
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tc.). This is mostly
communication between experienced developers
2) relatively difficult and/or technical questions about MediaWiki
(usually posed by less experienced developers and answered by
experienced ones, but even the most experienced of us ask questions
sometimes). Easy questions go
2010/2/25 Evel liu :
> but I dont know how to use in my wiki, could you give me a link or usage
> instruction?
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Quiz#Installation_Instructions
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run fine on any MediaWiki install.
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gt; address publicly.
>
A significant number of the users on the list are WMF staff or
contractors, who should definitely have this info available (and are
listed on the staff page on foundationwiki anyway, if they're staff).
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IIRC Domas was complaining about {{cite}} *templates* and their
complexity. Their inefficiency was unrelated to the Cite extension
AFAIK.
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use their preferred skin.
>
EditWarning only working in Vector is a weird quirk that is indeed
unnecessary. The other Vector-only modules, however, do stuff that's
rather Vector-specific and need skin support (like collapsing tabs,
enhancing Vector's search box, etc.).
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pment.
Not any more, the Vector skin itself has been stable for months. All
the usability work is currently done in the UsabilityInitiative
extension.
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my earlier reply, and I got a bounce from commons-l-owner
saying my message was rejected because I'm not subscribed to
commons-l. I'm not going to subscribe to that list, so I left the Cc:
commons-l out this time.
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tly working on a concrete
implementation of category intersections. Only when that
implementation is complete (or at least close) will it be possible to
provide the definitive, specific and unambiguous list of requirements
you asked for.
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one again this year, so I guess folks can
always go that route.
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ecific information about what's in these
CSV files or what you want the import to do with them. Writing a shell
script that converts them to pages and adds them to the wiki shouldn't
be hard though.
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> template's area (your project name) .so how should I do and
> and which extension I should use?
>
You can use a hook for that:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/EditFormPreloadText
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2010/1/29 李琴 :
>
> Hi all,
> I search an article in my localwiki,sometimes it shows the error:
> Inner error
>
> Preprocessor_DOM::preprocessToObj generated invalid XML
>
This is probably caused by an extension. Try turning off extensions to
see if that fixes the problem.
astic comments such as the above.
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2010/1/29 Christensen, Courtney :
> Does anyone have any clues for me on either:
> -how to start figuring out the wiki image upload code?
> OR
> -another way to get around Windows permissions and create this file for our
> users?
>
Have you tried the importImages.php mainten
>
> Is this right? Or is there something more to do?
>
Looks OK. Have you tried to see if it works yet?
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2010/1/19 Chad :
> This means you're still looking at the old Bugzilla. DNS entries
> are propagating around the world. Works fine once it's switched.
Yeah it's switched around for me in San Francisco, might take a while
to propagate all the way down to New Zealand.
2010/1/18 Sam Reed :
> Awesome, thanks!
>
> Are we going to 3.4.4 then?
>
I think so, yes, with a new skin.
> And whose dinner time? ;)
>
Lunch time in the office I assume, so that'd be around 20:00-21:00 UTC.
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2010/1/18 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
> I had my evening meal ... Lunch is in how much time (approximately) ?
I'm assuming this is lunchtime in San Francisco, which is between 9
and 10 PM CET.
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or "this is a stub" bloat. Maybe default
>> sould be to "show cruft".
>
> You mean when viewing articles, or editing them? Cutting out cruft
> when editing is something the usability project is looking into,
> AFAIK.
We're working on that now, yes.
emoving the modified flag on the
file). Committing stuff to wmf-deployment-something and merging it
back is a lot trickier and should ideally be avoided.
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hat's my experience yes. However, there are currently 11 locally
modified files in wmf-deployment, so that'd need to be cleaned up
first.
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eline was written by
Erik Zachte but is hardly maintained any more.
More generally, bugs can be ignored and left to rot, that happens. You
may need to poke developers or whoever maintains EasyTimeline these
days to get them to do something about it.
Roan
for a while, but now it's on all wikis.
>
Did you do this by changing the backend API action=opensearch uses,
i.e. without (significant) changes to the actual AJAX code?
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2010/1/9 Daniel Kinzler :
> Oh, also: action=ajax supports http cache control. can this be done with the
> api
> yet?
>
Yes, with the maxage and smaxage parameters. AFAIK those are currently
broken on Wikimedia, however, because Squid overrides the caching
headers set by the API.
nent places) but
shouldn't feel /too/ familiar to people that are used to wikis.
> Besides, we would be styling it with Vector not Monobook. Monobook is so
> last decade!
>
I do agree that if we restyle anything, we should at least improve its looks :)
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2009/12/9 Roan Kattouw :
> 2009/12/9 William Pietri :
>>
>> Somone recently suggested this to me:
>>
>>> In terms of configuration this lists most of whats public:
>>> http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/
>>>
>>
>> I just went back to look at
the configs have moved. Does anybody know the best place
> to get that now?
>
Right now, noc is broken and the config files are nowhere. I've been
prodding sysadmins to fix this, will continue doing this more
aggressively.
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-serve is of course faster and
easier than juggling between 5.0 and 5.1 all the time.
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iously suggested adding an
> OutputPage::addJQuery() interface, which removes the need to specify
> the filename in the extension and can be designed to avoid the
> possibility of duplicate script tags. I still think that this is a
> good idea.
I agree; I must've missed this the
27; => 0 ); other conditions go in the
same array, but as one string (like 'rc_namespace != 0', 'rc_namespace
< 2' and 'rc_namespace=page_namespace' ).
There's also lots of examples in the MediaWiki codebase, just grep for
'select('.
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;rc_namespace' => 0,
> 'rc_title' => 'Wiki',
> ),
> __METHOD__ );
>
Note that the GROUP BY condition in the first query is unnecessary,
and that the whole thing could be rewritten to SELECT * FROM
recentchanges WHERE rc_
2009/11/23 :
> Thanks. but is that page_latest is unique in page table?
>
Yes. Every revision belongs to one page only (rev_page).
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pecial_pages#The_Setup_File and
put require_once("$IP/extensions/MyExtension/MyExtension.php"); in
your LocalSettings.php , your special page should show up in
Special:Specialpages.
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http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Special_pages (provided making a
special page is what you want).
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2009/11/21 :
> I need use rev_user and page_namespace to do crossing-analysis. How i can
> put them in the one table? thanks again.
>
You don't need to put them in one table, just use a query with a JOIN.
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fferent?
>
If they belong to the same wiki, they're very likely to be the same
edit. Of course such duplicates should theoretically not occur.
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2009/11/18 Bilal Abdul Kader :
> Greetings,
> This template is not being parsed on my french local wiki. Any hints on
> that. I did several search on google but I could not find the problem.
>
Exactly what does happen? Do you see raw template code? Red links?
Nothing at all?
Roan Katt
history.xml
> file?
>
Yes. In this case, any trace of the revision ever having existed is
gone from the dumps, AFAIK.
> 3. Are pageIds recycled? If a page is deleted, could its id number be used
> for a completely new page in the future?
2009/11/9 李琴 :
> id="updateform">
* Replace the backslashes by forward slashes
* Verify that ../includes/update/update.php is the correct relative
path to update.php
* Verify that Apache isn't configured to deny access to the includes/ directory
ply pretends
action=query doesn't exist in that case. Later versions of MW give a
clearer error message.
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;t think the American times are correct.
21:00 UTC is indeed 10pm CET and 1pm PST, but it's 4pm EST (note that
EDT is Eastern Daylight Time).
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etVal('wpTextbox1'); I'm not sure you want to be
messing with EditPage's internals, though, because even most MediaWiki
developers think EditPage is scary.
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POST and
> before the 302? To me it looks that it won't have an effect on the next
> GET after the redirect. Or, I'd better use Article::doPurge() (or, that
> is too slow?).
I think purging after the submission of the poll would probably be
good enough, so y
ould be using it (tl_namespace=10 for the template
namespace). Note that the former index can be used as an index on
(tl_from) as well.
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ifies the name of
the file ON THE WIKI, like the second textbox in Special:Upload does.
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on't want to work with php, use maintenance/importTextFile.php
>
Please use other variable names than $wgTitle and $wgArticle to reduce
confusion with the global variables by the same name.
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2009/10/19 Arjun Priyananth :
> Hi,
> Can anyone tell me what is the tool which wikipedia uses for file compare.
> (in the wikipedia website it compares two history) what is that tool please
>
It's the standard GNU diff utility, which is available on most
Linux/UNIX systems.
Roan
tions about when ES
makes sense and when it doesn't are probably better given by people
more familiar with databases than me.
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t is obviously very
> common, but my attempts to guess where it would come up have failed.
> If you can grab some examples of URLs generating the 302 response it
> might become clear quickly.
>
URLs with &redlink=1 redirect to the page view with a 302.
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e view in recent changes is produced by comparing two
texts using an external program like diff; it's not stored anywhere
(other than possibly in the objectcache table, for caching purposes).
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[2].
>
The counter field in the prop=info output provides the number of
pageviews for the image description page, not for the image itself.
Also, the page view counter is disabled on Wikipedia because of
performance reasons and because Squid caching would cause it to miss a
lot of views and repo
of upload support in the api which has since been
> fixed.
To be clear: implementing the API /itself/ in C++ is not really
possible as the API is closely integrated with MediaWiki. Writing a
/client library/ for the API in C++ is very much possible, and as
Bryan mentions quite easy if you
If that's not the problem, then I'm not sure what the problem is.
>
Alternatively, it could be that a blank page somehow got stuck in
Squid. If that's the problem, it should go away when the page is
edited or purged.
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ob for
you, and is a bit easier to install and use.
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ginal post to the rest of our team, and I'll
point them to the rest of this thread as well.
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the actual syntax and that can be expanded and
collapsed". They probably won't be called anything at all: we don't
really need a name for them.
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dialog with title suggestions for internal links.
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>
This mailing list scrubs attachments.
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omplexification of templates; in fact, I
believe it will actually encourage simplification, because a
nice-looking GUI for a big incomprehensible parameter soup is worth
the soup.
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templates).
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gt; template to create the new interface. Is this correct?
Wait, what? Can you explain this better or provide an example?
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edoing template syntax
does not require any changes to the XML format.
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sumptions I mentioned,
subsequent reworking of wikitext *wouldn't* *matter*, because the
template call editor could easily be ported to the 'new language' or
whatever we end up with. It wouldn't put us any further away from
fi
a more appropriate place to discuss this, just point us
there; don't go around blasting us because we failed to read your
mind.
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known magic words
> * Profit!
>
We (the usability team) do intend to get 'content folding' (folding
template calls and tables into stubs that can be expanded at will)
done in the Citron (third) release.
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2009/9/25 李琴 :
> OK, I see. And the other questions?
>
> If I edit a page,Whether the page_id change or not?
>
No, the page_id stays the same when pages are edited, and even when
they're moved (in the latter case, page_namespace and/or page_title
will change, of course).
Roan
he article (the newline thing
mentioned earlier fall in the latter category). I agree that this
probably causes the weird quirks that make wikitext such a horribly
complex language to define and parse, so I think a good way to
continue this discussion would be to talk about how i
x live and iDangerMouse confirmed the issue as fixed. Thanks
all!
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tter way to mark a message as "yes, I know this
usually uses PLURAL, but this language doesn't need it here", that'd
also save useless efforts by the parser in expanding PLURAL.
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2009/9/15 Robert Rohde :
> Is there a road map somewhere for features you plan to include but
> haven't gotten to yet?
>
http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/Releases
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ich is available from SVN just like
any other extension, so other MW users will benefit (and, in fact,
they can already do so). It's not compatible with MW 1.15, however.
The Vector skin is in MW core, and will be part of the 1.16 release.
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wikitech-l, this is more of a tech issue than Foundation
> one.
>
This has been addressed on foundation-l already, but I'll make it
extra clear here: all these vulnerabilities reported by these database
are only in there because we
2009/9/15 Dmitriy Sintsov :
> * Roan Kattouw [Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:34:07
> +0200]:
>> We're planning to do exactly that in our third release (Citron). Right
>> now, we're working on bugfixing and deploying our second release
>> (Babaco).
>>
> What d
e it, but I personally
> prefer to edit wikitext).
>
There's still quite a few issues with FCKeditor, and as far as I know
it's been decided that the usability project is not gonna cover
WYSIWYG; I'm not entirely sure of the official stance here, you'd have
to ask Naoko.
Roa
7;m just the code monkey here :P ) I got no
response. If someone tells me what the correct behavior is, I'll
happily implement it.
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tion only, no need to tweak
> any squid stuff.
>
Speaking of which, could we exempt api.php from this? It sets sane
Cache-Control: headers on its own, which should not be overwritten.
See also https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14402#c11 and
downwards
ause something (like it for instance) to also be
> under-utilized...
>
Seems I'm not the only one who had a completely wrong idea about how
variants work. We definitely need more documentation and fame for this
system, so its potential doesn't go to waste.
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uld it be
> possible to create "MediaWiki:WORD/pt-br" and "MediaWiki:WORD/pt", and
> use them (with {{int:WORD}}) instead of the actual word variant in
> wikitext? This isn't likely to be the better solution, but it could be
> a first step towards a solut
2009/9/5 Helder Geovane Gomes de Lima :
> But I don't know what to use in the SQL instead of the "WHAT?".
> Does anybody knows what should it be?
>
You should probably use "ORDER BY page_namespace, page_title" there,
which will sort by namespace, the
ompatible) project is a violation of the GPL.
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Duplicate thread of
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2009-September/044984.html
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efined in MagicWord.php (for
stuff like {{CURRENTDAY}}) ; we could simply honor them and let
messages containing other magic words such as these never expire.
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(or changes to the message in
MessagesEn.php , in the case of English) will not get through because
the local customization containing the old version overrides it.
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