Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-17 Thread Josh Luthman
So the three lock ups on my links while using dual nstreme were just a coincidentally solved by changing the config..? On 9/17/09, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: OSPF Full duplex is no biggy, anyone can do it and is well documented, but I don't think he needs that. I would just

Re: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

2009-09-17 Thread Robert West
Using the same coax as you have been using? Any new guys crimping the connectors??? Something has to be different. Might be the signal jumps when the wind blows? check the connections, maybe. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

2009-09-17 Thread Robert West
In our case, our competitor applied for a shade under a million bucks to provide middle mile into the area, as in to bring cheaper broadband to the masses. That doesn't sound like it will benefit us, the cheaper broadband is for their system. -Original Message- From:

Re: [WISPA] Need Lightning Arrestor Advice

2009-09-17 Thread Andy Trimmell
As the cost is minimal I would attach the arrestor to a ground rod at or near the unit then another ground rod at the structure just before cable entry, if you think the strikes are going to be on a more constant rate. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Need Lightning Arrestor Advice

2009-09-17 Thread Robert West
For us, we also do an arrestor before the radio, a gas discharge unit. We also use an arrestor before the POE injector and anyplace else a cable enters a structure or piece of equipment. We use shielded and flooded Cat5 cable with a static drain wire attached to shielded cat5 connectors and also

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-17 Thread Dennis Burgess
Don't know what that means? I am assuming that you had some lockups while using dual nstream. Don't think that was part of the conversation. I was just saying that doing a Full Duplex OSPF or Static-Routed link is well documented. ---

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

2009-09-17 Thread Chuck Bartosch
Why not? You should be able to take advantage of that cheaper bandwidth too I'd think. Assuming it's a fiber build, they are going to have tons of excess capacity. Chuck On Sep 17, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Robert West wrote: In our case, our competitor applied for a shade under a million bucks

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-17 Thread Josh Luthman
I am suggesting don't use dual nstreme as it causes lock ups. Use OSPF to create a pseudo FDX bridge between two links. Personally done with 1 RB and 2 radios on each side, but could work with 1 RB and four bullets/comparable (just need to make sure they're true bridges). Josh Luthman Office:

Re: [WISPA] 2.4 ghz 24db grids.

2009-09-17 Thread Scott Parsons
It sounds like your problem might be one of wrong focal length. As I recall the focal length of the 2.4GHz 24dBi grid was around 16 inches. If your focal length is off, then any twisting or movement of the wire grid will have a big effect on the dipole output. Regards, Scott -Original

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

2009-09-17 Thread Robert West
Nah, the plan they have is just to use microwave to bring it in. A system of towers, is what they propose. No fiber. A million bucks worth of towers and radios? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent:

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-17 Thread Robert West
I've heard the same thing over in the Mikrotik forums. The solution they had is the same as Josh here says. It tends to fall on its face at times although I never tried it for myself. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf

Re: [WISPA] Need Lightning Arrestor Advice

2009-09-17 Thread Scott Parsons
Gas discharge type surge protector between antenna and radio. Ethernet surge protector close to radio. Shielded CAT5 cable ground terminated inside structure. Surge protector and/or UPS on power supply inside structure. Scot -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-17 Thread Josh Luthman
It tends to fall on its face at times although I never tried it for myself. What is it? Referring to dual nstreme? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable,

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-17 Thread Robert West
Yeah, locks up. But again, I haven't tried it but from what I've read I'll pass on it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re:

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-17 Thread Josh Luthman
Good for weeks or months. Terrible for a long term link. Have Butch set it up in a few minutes or read the documentation and get it going yourself. Well worth it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

2009-09-17 Thread St. Louis Broadband
I have been out of the office for several days and no access to email. I am looking at the USDA map and do not see the broadband grant applications. Can someone give me a link? Thanks, Victoria -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

[WISPA] Canopy Restricted Access

2009-09-17 Thread Jory Privett
Is it possible to give someone read only access to a Canopy AP? I have tried the installer and technetium rights and both seem to be able to change settings and reboot. Jory Privett Partnership Broadband WISPA

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-17 Thread Butch Evans
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 11:23 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: Have Butch set it up in a few minutes or read the documentation and get it going yourself. Well worth it. http://blog.butchevans.com/2008/10/using-ospf-to-create-full-duplex-behaviour-for-wireless-links/ I believe it is still on my

Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices

2009-09-17 Thread Robert West
Looks nice. Thanks Butch! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 11:23 -0400, Josh

[WISPA] Mikrotik load balancing ( was backhaul choices )

2009-09-17 Thread Randy Cosby
Anyone else had a chance to play with MPLS much on the mikrotiks? Having read the wiki article* about using MPLS to bridge two networks (instead of WDS or EoIP) I have tried it on a new link I put up. So far so good. I think I need to play with the MTU settings a bit more to optimize it.

Re: [WISPA] Need Lightning Arrestor Advice

2009-09-17 Thread Mike
I'm not sure which Ethernet surge protection I'd recommend, but PolyPhaser does it best, in my opinion, for RF. At 10:51 PM 9/16/2009, you wrote: Hello all, I am part of a group installing a wireless network in rural Honduras for a growing educational system with a chapter of Engineers Without

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik load balancing ( was backhaul choices )

2009-09-17 Thread Scott Carullo
I've been using for bridging with the N hardware without issue (knock knock) Not sure about dual radio setup options using MPLS/VPLS though... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com Sent: Thursday, September

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik load balancing ( was backhaul choices )

2009-09-17 Thread Randy Cosby
Just curious - what routerboards are you using? Are you bridging vlans across the link? Randy Scott Carullo wrote: I've been using for bridging with the N hardware without issue (knock knock) Not sure about dual radio setup options using MPLS/VPLS though... Scott Carullo Brevard

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik load balancing ( was backhaul choices )

2009-09-17 Thread Dennis Burgess
Friends don't let Friends Bridge Networks! ARG! LOL --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik load balancing ( was backhaul choices )

2009-09-17 Thread Randy Cosby
I generally agree. However, everything on the other end of the network is either enforced as PPPOE-only, or stuff we manage (ups monitoring, etc.). No problems with packet storms, arp tables, etc. I've seen a couple big flat nets with dhcp servers on the far side.. it's crazy. Randy

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik load balancing ( was backhaul choices )

2009-09-17 Thread Mike Hammett
I never got that t-shirt. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:08 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

[WISPA] Keep your Internet away from my garlic!

2009-09-17 Thread David E. Smith
Just in case the I'm allergic to wi-fi folks weren't enough comedy... A Nova Scotia garlic farmer has put the brakes on high-speed internet coming to Victoria Harbour, a rural community on the Bay of Fundy, fearing radiation from microwave towers will affect his crops. Lenny Levine, who

Re: [WISPA] Keep your Internet away from my garlic!

2009-09-17 Thread Josh Luthman
Lenny Levine - do you have any evidence or proof or suggestive material for this? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

2009-09-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
I dont have much confident in anyone gaining access to someone else's network inexpensively, unless that network is owned by a small local company, short in front end sales resources themselves, that truly benefits from having other partners to drive demand. Example... Yesterday I tried to buy

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Problem - 900Mhz-WDS-incremental speed degradetp Zero then drop- repeat.

2009-09-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
Well your problem reminded me of wds + nstreme problem is why I brought it up. I believe wireless-test will fix this. How can WDS and NStreme be used togeather? I thought it had to be one or the other? Any way you could test the links disconnected from the rest of the network and see if

Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Problem - 900Mhz-WDS-incremental speed degradetp Zero then drop- repeat.

2009-09-17 Thread Josh Luthman
WDS and nstreme can be used with wireless-test I hear. Before that it was not workable at all. Any load seems to kill your links - that has to be kept on mind. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the

Re: [WISPA] Keep your Internet away from my garlic!

2009-09-17 Thread Chuck Bartosch
I local organic store (with a small farming operation) just successfully got a cell tower approval moved some 1000' further away for just this reason. Ironically, he uses a cell phone. But, facts notwithstanding, he was able to mobilize a large group of folks from his mailing lists to

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

2009-09-17 Thread St. Louis Broadband
I am just not getting this. We have two competitors that state that they can provide 14 Mbps wireless broadband to a very heavily tree canopied area. The best we could do is with 900 MHz and that would only provide 3.3 Mbps, if luck. How can these folks get away with such amazing statements?

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

2009-09-17 Thread Josh Luthman
Statements need validity. Maybe they're full of it? On 9/17/09, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: I am just not getting this. We have two competitors that state that they can provide 14 Mbps wireless broadband to a very heavily tree canopied area. The best we could do is with

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

2009-09-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
They either lie or they legitimately dont know what they are doing. What do you think will happen, when they promise more than can be really delivered, and they get grant money? Will the feds take themoney back, or shutdown the WISP, and turn off all teh subs? No. People wont care that the

[WISPA] RAD/Radwin x Wi-Fi

2009-09-17 Thread Rubens Kuhl
I'm trying to figure out what's under the hood of Radwin Winlink-1000 / RAD AirMux-200 and the MIMO model Radwin-2000 / RAD AirMux-400, in order to better understand what traffic patterns may or may not be suited to these radios. Although costly backhaul vendors (Redline, Motorola) keep telling