[WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-11-30 Thread MDK
If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different mode... There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has b

[WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-11-30 Thread RickG
Planning my first 20 mile PTP link. Path analysis shows clear. Customer is building a 100' tower just for this therefore the equipment I choose must work. I'm free to use whatever I want. Suggestions? -RickG WISPA Wa

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-11-30 Thread Jayson Baker
Rocket 5M w/ Rocket Dish (or whatever it's called) On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 8:22 PM, RickG wrote: > Planning my first 20 mile PTP link. Path analysis shows clear. Customer is > building a 100' tower just for this therefore the equipment I choose must > work. I'm free to use whatever I want. Sugge

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-11-30 Thread Travis Johnson
If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless of what software you put on top of it. Travis Microserv MDK wrote: > If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf - > Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over > wireless.

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-11-30 Thread 3-dB Networks
Depends... What type of throughput do you need? What size dishes can you use? What is the budget? Licensed or Unlicensed? PoE or some other configuration? What does the noise floor look like? What type of equipment do you already primarily use (i.e. what will you be the most comfortable depl

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-11-30 Thread RickG
Daniel, great questions! Throughput: As fast as possible :) Seriously, a couple of megs minimum. 10Mbps would be plenty. Dishes: As big as necessary. Naturally, on the tower I'll be limited by wind loading. The other end is a solid water tank but I imagine the water company wont like a 10' dish :)

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-11-30 Thread MDK
What would you call a totally proprietary, TDMA based protocol, without ACK or CSMA? Doesn't look a whole lot like 802.11x, but if you wish to say it is, then, for you it is :) -- From: "Travis Johnson" Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:36 PM

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-11-30 Thread Jayson Baker
Is there really much need for this, given the new AirMax product line? I'm just saying... On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:19 PM, MDK wrote: > What would you call a totally proprietary, TDMA based protocol, without > ACK > or CSMA? > > Doesn't look a whole lot like 802.11x, but if you wish to say it i

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-11-30 Thread eje
Tell that to Alvarion. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:36:28 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-11-30 Thread Josh Luthman
If spectrum is available you can use a 411ah pair and get 30 megs in 20mhz. Like 500 bucks in gear... On 11/30/09, RickG wrote: > Daniel, great questions! > > Throughput: As fast as possible :) Seriously, a couple of megs minimum. > 10Mbps would be plenty. > Dishes: As big as necessary. Naturall

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-11-30 Thread Adam Kennedy
It will fall on def ears anyway. Just like the requests for RSSI in their VL product until they finally decided it was a good idea =) RSSI? Nah. Who needs to know that? It's not important. I mean, after all, we have these highly accurate LED's indicating signal strength.* * Entirely sarcast

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-11-30 Thread MDK
Given UBNT's record of unavailability of product, and the inability to route via the interface, I vastly prefer this to UBNT's products. Now, mind you, I'm not really putting them down, but this is an excellent infrastructure tool...Routing and other capabilities that vastly exceed some be

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-11-30 Thread Jayson Baker
Availability is supposedly resolved. We'll see. Routing... there is a full SDK. You can do anything you want on those things. The new ones have 400+MHz proc's, plenty to do some routing/firewalling. I just can't see a home grown solution like you're proposing being cost-effective. We spent ab

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-11-30 Thread Travis Johnson
I would agree. Except the 411ah is overkill in my testing, the regular 411 shows as much throughput as the 411ah. So, here's the list: 2 x RB411 2 x PacWireless 2ft dishes with radomes 2 x PacWireless enclosures 2 x wireless cards (XR5 would be my choice) 2 x pigtails 2 x LMR jumpers 2 x 1

Re: [WISPA] Outdoor UPS

2009-11-30 Thread Jayson Baker
Just saw this. Sorry. http://www.provantage.com/cyberpower-systems-cs24c12v2-e~7CYPR047.htm On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Michael Baird wrote: > Jayson, > > Do you have the model numbers on these? I need 48v output. > > Regards > Michael Baird > > APC and Cyberpower makes some. 12V or 48V o

[WISPA] OT: Redline 3650 Redmax

2009-11-30 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Anyone out there running Redline Redmax in the 3650 band hit me offlist please. We are running into SNR issues over the past 3 weeks on 5 different AP's in different locations. Interference has been ruled out. -Eric --

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-11-30 Thread Jayson Baker
(2) Rocket5M @ $90/ea (2) RocketDish @ $145/ea $470 On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: > I would agree. Except the 411ah is overkill in my testing, the regular > 411 shows as much throughput as the 411ah. So, here's the list: > > 2 x RB411 > 2 x PacWireless 2ft dishes

Re: [WISPA] Outdoor UPS

2009-11-30 Thread Phil Curnutt
Try this. http://www.carebase.com/pdf-specifications/Dc-output-Outdoor-UPs-8013-8014-115vac-or-230vac-48vdc-96W-NEMA-3R-enclosure.pdf Phil On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: > Just saw this. Sorry. > http://www.provantage.com/cyberpower-systems-cs24c12v2-e~7CYPR047.htm

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-11-30 Thread Travis Johnson
I guess if you don't need a reliable, stable product, this is the answer. However, I have MT backhaul links that have been up solid for over 3 years now. No ethernet issues, no heat issues, no firmware issues. Travis Microserv Jayson Baker wrote: (2) Rocket5M @ $90/ea (2) RocketDish @ $145

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-11-30 Thread Chuck Hogg
http://www.quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-N-Dualpol Call DJ to discuss further, Gerard and I are teaching a MikroTik class for a bunch of ATF/DoJ agents this week. We have the same link going 25 miles. Make sure you do the path on it, as I'm not sure 100' will clear, depending o

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-11-30 Thread MDK
Actually, it's far better than cost-effective. It's flexible, in both hardware and capabilities.Firewall, routing, routing daemons, and other things. Frankly, I find the physical aspects of the Airmax stuff frustratingly limited. I've grown fond of my immense ability to do creative stuff w

Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link

2009-11-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Since you are already familiar with StarOS, I'd recommend putting up a couple of X2000 boards with 2' dishes.$225 each for the X2000s and $170 each for the 2' dishes. I have X4000s with 2' dishes shooting 32 miles with no problems, and one 45 mile shot with a 3' on one end and a 2' at th

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-11-30 Thread Travis Johnson
I think everything you have described can be done now with Mikrotik routing, firewall, routing daemons, scripting, etc. also being able to use $50 boards up to $1,000 X86 based systems moving gigabits of traffic. All with standard parts. So what would this FreeBSD system bring to the table

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-11-30 Thread Randy Cosby
I think what we're talking about is the TDMA package for Freebsd (which is probably exactly what is being used by UBNT). http://people.freebsd.org/~sam/TDMAPresentation-20090921.pdf Randy Travis Johnson wrote: > I think everything you have described can be done now with > Mikrotik routing,

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-11-30 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 04:25 +, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: > Tell that to Alvarion. Or Mikrotik for that matter. Nstreme != 802.11 -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butc

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-11-30 Thread Chadd Thompson
How is Nstreme working now days? I have not tried it on anything except PTP for a few years now. The last time I tried it on an AP it was pretty rough. Latency was very unstable and throughput wasn't all that great. I had read that there was a new version in the test package a while back but never

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-11-30 Thread Butch Evans
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 00:43 -0600, Chadd Thompson wrote: > How is Nstreme working now days? I have not tried it on anything except PTP > for a few years now. The last time I tried it on an AP it was pretty rough. > Latency was very unstable and throughput wasn't all that great. I had read > that t

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-11-30 Thread MDK
Well, for starters, it is NOT MikroTik. That alone is worth more than a Visa commercial From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... I think everything you have described

Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers.... Needed for WISP related product...

2009-11-30 Thread MDK
I don't think UBNT is using it. -- From: "Randy Cosby" Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 10:19 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product... > I think what we're talking about is the TDMA p

[WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure

2009-11-30 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Some kind of combination of failure between Charter and Qwest has left tens of thousands of people in Nebraska without Internet and has disrupted the Internet and phone services for thousands more.Right now, the outage is going on 12 hours and there is no ETA for repair in sight. The wor