Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison

2010-04-14 Thread can...@believewireless.net
Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and -59 on the other. Every one of our VoIP customers on this tower is complaining. <> WISPA Wants You! Join to

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Steve Barnes
Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of th

[WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies

2010-04-14 Thread Brian Webster
To All; My contact at the NTIA has asked me to provide a list of the states who have been asking WISP's to provide a list of the customer addresses. I know a few of you have mentioned this but I wasn't keeping track. Could you post or send me your experiences and I will forward tha

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread St. Louis Broadband
Hey marlon, Sigh...mine is finally 18! However, I totally understand the situation and had to cope with it myself. I employed a key logger. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14,

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Jeff Broadwick
We use Bluecoat K9 and are very happy with it so far. My 14 and 13 year olds have Facebook accounts...under the condition that my wife and I are friended and have their passwords so that we can log in as them at any time. I found out that my son had a Google mail account a while back that he did

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Steve Barnes
Forgot to mention (like Victoria said) KeyLogger best I've found http://www.covenanteyes.com/ but it's not free. It can be put on a PC and the user never knows that its on there you just get an email as to what that pc did. Still wont stop the Zune. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Serv

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Robert West
I tried to help a customer get Yahoo to delete her email account and it took us almost an entire year to get some action. No, they wouldn't delete it, they would only LOCK it. And that, sadly enough, took a letter from her attorney. As I've heard many times, there is no delete button on the inte

[WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet?

2010-04-14 Thread Charles Hooper
Hello, I'm trying to provide wireless Internet to a local festival this summer. My plan is to set up temporary APs as there isn't any coverage in that area already. I don't have any towers in the area (or any at all) so my thoughts are that I would have to talk some local building owners into

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Jeremie Chism
I have also used opendns for personal home use and for a corporate customer that wanted control over their Internet. It is solid and does what you need it to do. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 14, 2010, at 7:28 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: > Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches,

Re: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies

2010-04-14 Thread Rick Harnish
Brian, I am aware of the following: . Ohio Contact: ConnectOhio Sweet, Dave [dsw...@connectohio.org] . Michigan Contact: ConnectMichigan Terry Holmes [te...@tholmes.net] . Oregon Contact: Brian Scaffidi [brian.scaff...@broadmap.com] . Pennsylvania C

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Robert West
YES! I've told many, many people.. If you want to keep your kids safe, no laptops, desktops that can't be lugged around and keep them all in a central, common area in the home. We have a computer repair business so we see everything. And I mean EVERYTHING! What is the number one favorite a

Re: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies

2010-04-14 Thread Rick Harnish
Brian, Correction, I do not know which ones have asked for customer addresses specifically. Sorry about the quick submit button. Rick Brian, I am aware of the following: . Ohio Contact: ConnectOhio Sweet, Dave [dsw...@connectohio.org] . Mic

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison

2010-04-14 Thread Michael Baird
Have you posted this on the Ubiquiti forums? The developers will work with you to determine the issue you are seeing, will make the product better for all of us. Regards Michael Baird > Upgraded the AP and all CPE to Beta 5 this morning and latency still > sucks. Signal is a -57 on one side and

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Robert West
Around here there are some kids with live linux on key drives they boot into to keep things private. Set your boot order to not have USB or CD in the boot order and put an admin password on the bios. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wi

Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet?

2010-04-14 Thread Robert West
If it's a festival, the shop owners benefit from such a thing and there is probably a committee that would do the footwork for you. Talk to the festival committee. Shouldn't take much of anything to do what you're trying to accomplish. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wis

Re: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies

2010-04-14 Thread Robert West
Here's one... Dawn Clark, Project Coordinator Connected Nation, Inc. dcl...@connectednation.org Cell: 270.791.3308 Direct: 270.846.7622 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 201

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Philip Dorr
Those kids will then install Ubuntu using Wubi (if they have admin rights), have the back-door bios passwords somewhere, or start charring around a HDD and screwdriver. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Robert West wrote: > Around here there are some kids with live linux on key drives they boot in

Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand

2010-04-14 Thread Travis Johnson
No. It is impossible to get the same number of subs on a polling MAC (UBNT, Trango) as with Canopy. The reason is that Canopy does their scheduling in hardware, not software. Mikrotik attempted to make their system handle more than 30 subs by improving the polling code, but they said it was as

Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet?

2010-04-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Satellite at 5mbps? Not going to happen. Mobile cards will be quicker but very area dependant. On 4/14/10, Charles Hooper wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to provide wireless Internet to a local festival this summer. > My plan is to set up temporary APs as there isn't any coverage in that > area

Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet?

2010-04-14 Thread Robert West
When you say no coverage, are you meaning there is NO internet access there or that you have no coverage yourself with wireless? If internet is indeed available there via a wire, then the rest is easy. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.or

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Robert West
You got it! But hey, I was the same way back in the day but then it was red boxing and phone hacking. (Ohio Bell made regular calls to my mother requesting her to have me take whatever it was off the line. My nemesis at the phone company eventually became a good friend when I got older) If th

Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand

2010-04-14 Thread Jeff Ehman
We have seen a lot of this actually. For small trailer parks or neighborhood blocks that can't see a tower. Basically, have a Moto SM go to a rooftop that can reach the AP and then put a NS2 behind it pointing in the direction of a group of houses that you normally can't see. Put the NS2 in A

Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet?

2010-04-14 Thread chooper
No coverage myself with wireless, I apologize for the confusion. -Original Message- From: "Robert West" Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:25am To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet? When you say no coverage, are you meaning there is NO internet ac

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Mike
Marlon asked: "So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days?" I taught them respect for others. I taught them to treat the janitor the same as they'd treat the principal. I taught them to befriend the friendless. I taught them honesty and integrity, and demon

Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet?

2010-04-14 Thread Robert West
Well, for temp access I'm sure some of the businesses have internet, piggy back onto them and set a bandwidth limit so as not to suck them dry. Again, a festival committee could probably line them up for you and they could be added as a sponsor of the free wireless internet. Depending on the size

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Robert West
You could always send them back to Russia with a note saying you no longer want them. Right? Obscure news story. sorry. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:41 AM To: 'WI

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Blake Bowers
After getting 4 kids into their 20's, and learning from my own mistakes (A LOT of them) this is what I have come up with. TRUST. As soon as you expressly forbid them to do something, you have waived that red flag in front of them, and they will find a way. And you know, with the Zunes, Ipods, Ce

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Robert West
Yesterday my 13 year old son made me proud for about 10 seconds when we were working on a project for school. The paper asked, Who has been the biggest influence in your life?. He says, "My Dad!" with a big grin. The wife is all happy too and asks why and he points to his belly. "Cause I eat wh

Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet?

2010-04-14 Thread Dennis Burgess
Drop in your own bandwidth, and run off generator of batteries. WE ran an entire festival over a weekend off 4 car batteries, and a 30 foot push up pole :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Ryan Spott
Marlon, I think the issues you have here are common ones wether or not computers, hotmail, myspace or facebook are involved. They are just parent child issues. I used to be a technology coordinator for a school district. If you place security software on the machines, it will be worked around in

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Larry Yunker
I have to echo Mike's sentiments on this subject. If a kid is motivated, they will find a way around any technical barrier that you put in place to stop them from posting/texting/sexting/etc. There are public computers, cell-phones, ipod/ipads, thumb drives, and damn near a million ways to get on

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Fiasco Followup

2010-04-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Nice, Matt, nice... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 5:50 PM To: "WISPA General List" ; ; "Telecom Regulation & the Internet" Subject: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
If YOU came to me about something your kid was doing on MY system *I* would try to help you out as much as I could. But then again, I'm not a mega corp either. To me your kid is more valuable than the money I'd loose by running off a few customers. marlon - Original Message - From

Re: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies

2010-04-14 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Washington asked for a lot of info. I wouldn't give it to them so I don't remember exactly what they wanted marlon - Original Message - From: "Brian Webster" To: "'WISPA General List'" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:28 AM Subject: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapp

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Eje Gustafsson
We taken the other route. My son got his own domain, he got his own e-mail for his domain. Allowed him a Facebook account he have to have us as friends and we know the password. I get a copy (unknown by him) of any e-mails going to his e-mail account. We had the talk about proper online behavior su

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Ryan Spott
I worked at the MSN SOC (Service Operations Center) for a short while where requests like the one you listed below come in. Our hands were tied. There are specific hoops we had to jump through for ANY request of this type. Basically, there is a law enforcement fax number that goes to corporate le

Re: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies

2010-04-14 Thread jp
Maine has asked for it. I'll try to get some details privately emailed to you. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 08:28:46AM -0400, Brian Webster wrote: > To All; > > My contact at the NTIA has asked me to provide a list of the > states who have been asking WISP's to provide a list of the c

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Ok granted I should have seen that response. I meant to phrase is in a business way, i failed. My point is that $corp liability will trump $random.person in most cases. It also was not about running of customers but about the liability of actions. The more mom & pop like a company, the more likely

Re: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies

2010-04-14 Thread Ryan Spott
Maybe we should just have a "WISPA Standard". I propose we have Brian (or someone else) whip up a quick web-page that we can put our coverage areas on. Then WISPA can just submit that data to the state agencies on our behalf. Then WISPA becomes a clearing house for WISP information... this may m

Re: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies

2010-04-14 Thread Mike Hammett
In my discussions with CN, all they wanted was tower information. Location, frequency, equipment types, etc. I worked with the people previously mentioned on the list. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -

Re: [WISPA] Experiences with State Broadband Mapping Agencies

2010-04-14 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
In Ohio they are asking basically for your oversubscription weight. Here is the paragraph exactly as it appears on the form: [per NTIA]: A provider’s subscriber-weighted nominal speed (in kbps) should be calculated as the sum of the products of the provider’s advertised maximum download data trans

[WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread RickG
I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working great. So, I thought I'd give the "M" units a try. So far, nothing but poor signal, dropped packets, & low throughput. Replacing them with regular units fix the issue. What gives? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Larry Yunker
For what it is worth, it looks like the issue of liability and disclosure of private information is a concern to ISPs as they are faced with parent/child relations. Maybe an effective solution to this matter would be to modify your terms-of-service to indicate that (1) accounts may not be opened b

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison

2010-04-14 Thread John Scrivner
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > Yeah, funny, does not look like we are making much progress after 18 years > does it. > Maybe it has something to do with the love affair most in this industry have with focusing their plans over and over again on rigging up 802.11 products (v

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Mike Hammett
You've probably seen plenty of things on my FB that would make a father cringe. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Jeff Broadwick" Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:50 AM To: "'WISPA General

[WISPA] surge/lightning protection

2010-04-14 Thread RickG
I've been using home runs from the CPE to the POE unit but considering using a "demarc" on the outside of the building for easier access. So, I figure I may as well put LP protection there while I'm at it. Anyone have a line on a good LP with ethernet access that will fit into a small enclosure?

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Michael Baird
Bad firmware and poor compatibility with legacy protocols. Make sure you upgrade them to the absolute latest beta available on the forums. Regards Michael Baird > I've been using regular Bullets and NS2's which have been working > great. So, I thought I'd give the "M" units a try. So far, nothing

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Jeff Broadwick
I see language occasionally, but nothing particularly dirty. I put those things in different categories. I am really surprised how many people use 4 letter words on f/b though. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Orig

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Mike Hammett
Great example? Apparently you haven't seen the pictures. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Ryan Spott" Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:12 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
What are some of the specifics that you came across. There are some known issues to watchout for... Best use the Ubiquiti Antenna's... The Panels have built in Electrical downtilt in them. There some strange issues with older firmware...5.1.2 seems to be more stable the previous ones. Depending o

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Robert West
I've went to using all AirGrids for my normal CPE installs, using the Nanos for esthetics where we don't want a more visible grid. They've worked great for us. I installed a 27dbi this past weekend that is 6 miles out and on the lower end of the Fresnel but after the 5.1.5 firmware it behaves nic

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Jeff Broadwick
One of the real advantages I've found with K9 (and I'm sure just about any other service) is how it locks searches into the filtered mode. You can do the most innocent of searches and get some hard core stuff if the results are unfiltered. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-512

Re: [WISPA] Mobile or Temporary Internet?

2010-04-14 Thread Jerry Richardson
If you are an IKANO reseller you can order a contract-less DSL to a nearby address but I would partner with one or more local businesses to use their Internet. Satellite will work so poorly nobody will use the service and it's rediculously expensive. Set up a SilverLining account and use these:

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti AirOS Comparison

2010-04-14 Thread Mike Hammett
That's because the WiMAX vendors want more to deliver less. No WiMAX for me until APs are $500, CPE are $150, and deliver over 50 megabits of capacity. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "John Scr

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Ok I've been watching this thread since its beginning and I have to say it now, ..Come on over to myspace, twitter my yahoo, till I google on your facebook Lol :) Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wirel

Re: [WISPA] Can you get an STD from Ubiquiti Equipment?

2010-04-14 Thread Ryan Spott
How could they get damaged? They use this to transport them from Asia: < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawler-transporter> ryan On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Would you rather something get damaged in shipping? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-234

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread RickG
Upgraded to version 5.1.2 prior to installation. Still poor performance. Not using Mimo mode. Using as an AP on a repeater. Having no luck connecting to it with another M unit as CPE. Think its a bad radio(s)? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Michael Baird wrote: > Bad firmware and poor compatib

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ? Using the Rocket M5 without the Ubiquiti Antenna's is like driving a sports car with all flat tires :) There is a good documentation on the UBNT forum on how to verify the bad/defective units Testing them , have two units sync/link t

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Robert West
Pay attention to your cable runs as well. That 5v PoE sucks, I've been using variable voltage adapters into a power injector and adjust the voltage depending on how it's acting. Sometimes, if the voltage is on the low side for the cable run, the unit will power up but act "stupid" but if I hit it

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
5V is only an issue with the Airgridsthe others (Rockets and Nanos ) are using 24v or 15v power supplies. And yes, if you are using the Airgirds, pay attention to the cable run Faisal. On 4/14/2010 11:41 AM, Robert West wrote: > Pay attention to your cable runs as well. That 5v PoE suck

Re: [WISPA] Ubnt vs Moto vs ... your brand

2010-04-14 Thread Chuck Hogg
I have not had a chance to get field experience with the Canopy 430. I have a few areas I would like to use it, but am afraid to destroy the frequency of some of my other 5Ghz backhauls. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original M

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Robert West
I was referring to the 10 pack of 27dbi Rick said he couldn't get to work correctly. But yes, the others are doing 15v and 24v, however, from the recommendation of UBNT, 24V is what should be used now, not the 15V. They've had some issues with the 15V not providing enough power even on short runs.

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
It's all getting a bit confusing... I thought it was Forbes who had purchased the 10packs of Airgrids and Nanobridges... To the best of my short re-collection, Rick G has not stated what model of "M" units he was/ is testing... Regardless, Robert you are correct about the power supplies... Fai

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Robert West
You correct, my error. It was Forbes with the AirGrids. Sometimes multi-tasking isn't easy! :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subje

Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids

2010-04-14 Thread RickG
Marlon, thats right and this is a major issue with our society today - everyone is claiming to be watching out for our kids but nobody really is. "Do it for the kids" has been the social motto for years now but when you look at the things being done (or not) it makes your head swim. I'm not a lawye

Re: [WISPA] Can you get an STD from Ubiquiti Equipment?

2010-04-14 Thread RickG
LOL! That's why they called them "Rockets"! On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Ryan Spott wrote: > How could they get damaged? They use this to transport them from Asia: < > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawler-transporter> > > ryan > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> W

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread RickG
Sorry, I want clear. Thats what I get for hijacking the thread :) I'm not using Rockets - just plain old Bullets & Nanos with "regular antennas. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > ...not using MIMO mode ... ? what antenna are you using ? > > Using the Rocket M5 without the U

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
. NanoM ? or just plain Nano ? I have no experience with the plain Nano, but would suggest that you visit the UBNT forum and do a bit of pokeing arround, would not be surprised if there were firmware related issues... My playing has only been with the "M" grear. Their 2x2 MIMO "M" grear is

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Joe Miller
Holy crapwhere do I get one of those. That is one hell of a link you have there. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: "Greg Ihnen" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiqu

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Jerry Richardson
Damn! Distance? Whats the actual TCP/IP throughput on that? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made n

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread AJ
Wish I could get speeds like that :) Have a pair of NS2Ms set up right on on a P2P link to bridge between a DOCSIS modem in a power supply cabinet to an employee that lives 3/4 mi away LoS and can barely keep it up to 13 meg up/down... Running the latest Beta... Doesn't help the noise floor bounce

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Two suggestions... Upgrade to the beta firmware and see if it helps other... consider doing NS5M, if 2.4 is crowded... Faisal. On 4/14/2010 1:08 PM, AJ wrote: > Wish I could get speeds like that :) > > Have a pair of NS2Ms set up right on on a P2P link to bridge between a > DOCSIS modem in a po

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Yes, something like this... but in conjunction to the different RSSI, you would also see a disparity in the TX/RX link. reducing the power would end up exaggerating the difference.. Your units don't appear to have this problem... you also are running it rather hot at -50 :) You might consider t

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread RickG
http://ubnt.com/nanostationm http://ubnt.com/bulletm I wanna get "hooked" too. I'm gonna drop UBNT for something else if they dont improve soon. Thanks! -RickG On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > . NanoM ? or just plain Nano ? > I have no experience with the plain Nano,

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread AJ
I'm on the latest beta firmware... And swapping out $200 worth of gear to play on another band is frustrating... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > Two suggestions... Upgrade to the beta firmware and see if it helps > > other... consider doing NS5M, if 2.4 is crowded... >

[WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use

2010-04-14 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. Route if you have multiple backhauls to a site. However, I have heard of WISPs with thousands of subscribers bridging with VLANs to do tra

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
"...And swapping out $200 worth of gear to play on another band is frustrating..." But isn't this what the WISP's live for ! :) Comes with the territory. next time if you feel better about swapping out $2000 worth of equipment, call me... I will sell you the NS2M for $1000 each... LOL !!

Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use

2010-04-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
. Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . :) Faisal On 4/14/2010 1:27 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote: > Routing vs. Bridging is an easy discussion... > > Bridge until you get a certain number of subs then route. Traffic > isolation, minimize broadcast storms, etc. > > Rou

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread AJ
LOL... We're not exactly a WISP... Just looking for a cheaper solution than running 8000' of fiber to serve a single customer (free customer at that lol)... On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > "...And swapping out $200 worth of gear to play on another band is > frustrating..

Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use

2010-04-14 Thread Gino Villarini
MPLS/VPLS Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISP

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Greg Ihnen
Looks like my images got stripped out. Here's links to the images. The distance is only about 500 or 600 yards, that's why I have the transmit power turned way down. Do you mean like this? Notice the rssi on the lower pic. These are two NS5Ms setup as a backhaul. I was assuming the rssi is bein

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Gino Villarini
If you are using the latest fw, use the airview spectrum analyzer to see your local noise Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Wednes

Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use

2010-04-14 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
Opinion #1. Anybody with large bridged systems? - Original Message - From: "Faisal Imtiaz" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use > . Route from Day One. why pickup bad habits bridging . > > > :

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
You can also 'swap' them out for Ruckus Wireless Outdoor PTP 'n' Radios.. http://www.ruckuswireless.com/products/zoneflex-high-end/7731 More about $2-2.5K for a pair Faisal. On 4/14/2010 1:35 PM, AJ wrote: > LOL... > > We're not exactly a WISP... Just looking for a cheaper solution than ru

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Greg Ihnen
It's about 500 to 600 meters. The indicated throughput using the speed test tool from the web gui says 65Mbps both directions. But I like the 162 number better! : - ) Greg On Apr 14, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: > Damn! > > Distance? > > Whats the actual TCP/IP throughput on th

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Greg Ihnen
I'm in the Amazon jungle. Our only noise here is from the sun. Greg On Apr 14, 2010, at 12:38 PM, AJ wrote: > Wish I could get speeds like that :) > > Have a pair of NS2Ms set up right on on a P2P link to bridge between a > DOCSIS modem in a power supply cabinet to an employee that lives 3/4 mi

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Greg Ihnen
I'm running the latest beta. Distance is around 500 meters. I can drop the TX power another 20dbm and the rssi only goes down a few db. Right now I dropped it to 7dbm and the rssi only dropped to -55. I'd like to get to -65 but I'd have to skew the units and there's so many metal buildings here

Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use

2010-04-14 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
I didn't mean to sound short or rude with this last message. I mean no disrespect. I've been networking for 25 years... Novell servers, MS, IP networks, blah blah blah. It's just that I expected this response, but I want to INVITE other opinions. - Original Message - From: "Mark Nas

Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use

2010-04-14 Thread Chuck Hogg
Bridge/VLAN can easily become a nightmare to manage. I have helped 5+ customers get away from this method...and their management of the network became easier. With VLAN's you are not minimizing the broadcast traffic and other potentials. This is also a small waste of wireless spectrum. The only

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Robert West
Go to the 5ghz version and you'll probably fly! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today Wi

Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use

2010-04-14 Thread Eric Muehleisen
We are primarily a PPPoE shop and run a bridged system for that reason. Each AP has it's own VLAN bridged back to the core. We've done this for many years without a single issue. We have different service offerings like VOIP, PPPoE, DHCP, PTPVPN and even extend our metro ethernet across our wir

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Gino Villarini
Noisy... the M series are dual pol so they require both polarities to be clean Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Wednesday, April

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Hey AJ. I am curious. Turn on Airmax. Reduce Channel size to 10mhz or 5mhz And see if things improve... Faisal. On 4/14/2010 2:09 PM, AJ wrote: > Here is the upper portion of the band running Airview - it's roughly the > same across the entire 2.3-2.7 band that the NS2M can scan, of cours

Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use

2010-04-14 Thread Mark Nash - Lists
Eric, how many clients / tower sites / APs are you serving this way? Do you expect it to scale to double/triple your size now? - Original Message - From: "Eric Muehleisen" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use > We are primari

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread AJ
Current "stable" setup is Airmax on, 10 Mhz channel, freq 2417 (channel 2). Noise floor varies -96 to -83 dBm Signal RX from station -59 to -67 TX/RX 13 Mbps CCQ 100% Speedtest shows 2.88 Mbps RX, 1.94 Mbps TX Airmax turned off Noise floor varies -96 to -85 dBm Signal RX from station -60 ACK 51

Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use

2010-04-14 Thread Dennis Burgess
I would love to see the amount of data that you move JUST in PPPoE session data? I had one customer doing this and after analysis of a single backhaul we figured 20% of the backhaul bandwidth was just session keepalives. Its not much, but you timed it by 200-300 customers 24/7, it adds up! ---

Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use

2010-04-14 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Approx. 3,500 wireless subs and 32 tower sites. Our wireless network has began to shrink since we've started to replace with FTTH. My only point is that I do recommend a routed network vs. bridged. But, a bridged network can work very well if designed properly. -Eric On 4/14/2010 1:24 PM, Mark

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Gino Villarini
I don't see that freq on your Airview analisys Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 2:29 PM To: WISPA Gener

Re: [WISPA] UBNT "M" Was: Ubiquiti made no points today

2010-04-14 Thread Gino Villarini
IMHO noise reporting on the UBNT is broken, use the airview for noise info Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Wednesday, April 14,

Re: [WISPA] Routing / Bridging / VLAN Use

2010-04-14 Thread Eric Muehleisen
LOL. It's very minimal. If 20% of your BH is saturated with PPPoE broadcasts then you have something else to worry about. Typical non-unicast packet rates on an average AP is around 1 pps. If anyone is interested in broadcast packet rates on a heavily utilized bridged network, let me know, offl

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