Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-18 Thread Justin Wilson
27 volts at the base. DC has very little loss over 400-500 foot distances. We are seeing about .1 volt loss on a 400 foot run. -Original Message- From: Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:16 AM

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-18 Thread Jeromie Reeves
That depends on wire size. That distance is not going to be ethernet so I will assume #12 AWG, 400ft, copper wire, etc. You should be seeing a 5.6% drop under a 1amp load or about 25v under load. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: 27 volts at the base.

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-18 Thread Justin Wilson
We see 27.3 volts at the battery. And 27.1 volts at the top with no load. Obviously load will have an impact on this. Justin -Original Message- From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012

Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?

2012-10-18 Thread Paolo Di Francesco
Hi Cameron and All thank you for the hint.. What about worldpay? By the way I am not sure if the PCI-DSS certification would be a way to go or better to stay without it till the volume/month will be more than 10K/month. Comments in this last statement? Square is convenient, but expensive as

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-18 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Call me Stupid... but what is the point of this discussion ? Operating the Radios @ 27V is exceeding the Mfg. Specs. . Will they work ? maybe... Will they fail ? maybe If you burn them up. you are on your own.. ? or at least at UBNT's discretion, since you are

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-18 Thread Josh Luthman
Because batteries are 27v. On Oct 18, 2012 10:45 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Call me Stupid... but what is the point of this discussion ? Operating the Radios @ 27V is exceeding the Mfg. Specs. . Will they work ? maybe... Will they fail ? maybe If

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-18 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
U mean the Charge current is 27-28V.for 24v Batteries... Yes, it would be nice to have the equipment rated for 28-30V like the Mikrotik's But that is something we need to ask Ubiquiti to do Pushing the existing equipment to 27v, has been documented to be 'in-consistent' . :)

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-18 Thread Tim Kerns
I just put up 2 new solar panels yesterday to replace 2 that were now to small of wattage to cover the expanded load at the tower. Panels with no load were putting out 35 vdc, at the batteries with load I was seeing 28 vdc. I use the tycon voltage regulator to maintain 24 vdc to the radios.

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-18 Thread Cameron Crum
Because you are pulling more energy from a given cell. Current typically flows in one direction at a time. If you are pulling current off of the whole system all the time, AND pulling more from part of the system, then there is never a chance for the system to come back to equilibrium. Think of it

[WISPA] 430 SMs

2012-10-18 Thread Sean Heskett
So it seems there are no 430 SMs left on the planet. We are in desperate need of at least a 25 pack (we prefer 20Mbps SMs but beggars can't be choosers). Anyone have any in stock??? -Sean ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] 430 SMs

2012-10-18 Thread Sean Heskett
I forgot to specify that we need the 5.4Ghz 430 SMs. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: So it seems there are no 430 SMs left on the planet. We are in desperate need of at least a 25 pack (we prefer 20Mbps SMs but beggars can't be choosers). Anyone have

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-18 Thread Greg Ihnen
A voltage difference with no load? What's causing the drop? On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: We see 27.3 volts at the battery. And 27.1 volts at the top with no load. Obviously load will have an impact on this. Justin -Original

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-18 Thread LTI - Dennis Burgess
MPLS does run over a IP backbone, but can use VPLS tunnels to create what you are doing at layer 2. Not to mention you would get all of the benefit of Traffic Engineering, and internal routing giving you the best of both worlds. Why its sometimes called Layer 2.5, as it creates tunnels inside

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-18 Thread Jeromie Reeves
The resistance of the length of wire. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: A voltage difference with no load? What's causing the drop? On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: We see 27.3 volts at the battery. And 27.1

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-18 Thread Jeromie Reeves
That is a great way to explain it. This also causes a lot of other issues with the cell/bank. As the one battery dies and takes less voltage the rest start taking a higher voltage and over charge and out gas leading to dry cells. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-18 Thread Chris Fabien
No current = no voltage drop. Ohms Law. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: The resistance of the length of wire. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: A voltage difference with no load? What's causing the drop? On

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-18 Thread Justin Wilson
There are several things you can do to alleviate issues. Greg Osborn is right. Most customers don't know a difference. We do several tricks on various networks. 1.We do 1:MANY nats at every POP. This way only those customers at that site are natted out a Public. This way the entire network

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-18 Thread Fred Goldstein
At 10/18/2012 02:52 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: MPLS does run over a IP backbone, but can use VPLS tunnels to create what you are doing at layer 2. Not to mention you would get all of the benefit of Traffic Engineering, and internal routing giving you the best of both worlds. Why its sometimes

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-18 Thread Mike Mattox
The volt meter is a load, though. On 10/18/2012 2:57 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: No current = no voltage drop. Ohms Law. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: The resistance of the length of wire. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Greg Ihnen

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-18 Thread Chris Fabien
Volt meters are typically very high input impedance, 1 Mohm or more, so that they don't have any effect on the circuit when testing. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Mike Mattox wi...@mcmsys.com wrote: The volt meter is a load, though. On 10/18/2012 2:57 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: No current =

Re: [WISPA] This isn't UBNT support.

2012-10-18 Thread Jon Auer
On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:00 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Sat, 2012-10-13 at 23:43 -0400, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: I dunno about that.. While I can understand everyone wanting to have only relevant discussion on the main list... Question is, what do those who complain consider

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-18 Thread Mike Hammett
Fred is a very smart guy and generally plays with the big boy versions of what we do. I'd be careful disagreeing with him. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: LTI - Dennis Burgess gmsm...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-18 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Dennis is also very smart... This is a great discussion...not just about agreement or disagreement..it is more about comparison of different technologies, both theoretical and practice... Most WISP networks are rather simple and smaller when compared to the carrier world. I believe there are

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-18 Thread Greg Ihnen
That's what I thought... but... he said: We see 27.3 volts at the battery. And 27.1 volts at the top with no load On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com wrote: No current = no voltage drop. Ohms Law. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jeromie Reeves

Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

2012-10-18 Thread Greg Ihnen
Megaohms though, probably 30 MOhms or more. It's negligible. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Mike Mattox wi...@mcmsys.com wrote: The volt meter is a load, though. On 10/18/2012 2:57 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: No current = no voltage drop. Ohms Law. On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jeromie

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-18 Thread LTI - Dennis Burgess
Maybe I should take this off-list but this would be a better question. What RFC or industry standard features are you referring ? Specific items! :) On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Dennis is also very smart... This is a great discussion...not just

Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

2012-10-18 Thread LTI - Dennis Burgess
inline comments On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.comwrote: At 10/18/2012 02:52 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: MPLS does run over a IP backbone, but can use VPLS tunnels to create what you are doing at layer 2. Not to mention you would get all of the benefit of