I deployed my first Bullet5 today. Not the high power, but the standard.
throughput testing showed insignificant difference between my Star-OS/WAR1
combo and the Bullet. The AP shows that the Bullet has active compression
and fast frames that functions with my star-os access point.
I have n
Sometimes. We had almost 30 inches for a short time around Christmas...
I live at the base of the Blue Mountains. I may have bare ground, but 5 15
miles away will have 10 feet or more.
Mark
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From: "George Rogato"
To: "WISPA
That's got to be such a relief, compared to the heat of summer...
:)
http://neofast.net/users/mark/pics/wp/centerou.jpg
That's how town looks in the summer...
Geeze, I am thirsty and gotta go turn the heat down, just looking at it..
Hope nobody gets hurt dealing with it. Stay out from under
Mac was at the forefront when it came to working for others post Katrina.
He gave beyond generous.
If you can read this, Mac, I'll pray for ya, buddy.And you start talking
to the Man upstairs too.
Mark
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From: "Rick Harnish"
Do you have the shielded cable?
Mark
- Original Message -
From: "Marlon K. Schafer"
To: "WISPA General List"
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:47 AM
Subject: [WISPA] FM radio station site strangeness
> Hi All,
>
> I think we finally have th
that's extreme, Mike... But it's possible.I certainly hope not.
But, if we're to use the only analogous event in American history as a
yardstick... 50% of all mortgages defaulted in the Depression. Deflation
cut prices by up to 75% in some markets / areas. Some "commodities" went
up
That's pretty much where I am too.
I'm working on making sure I can survive even if I have to cut my rates by
up to 65%.
Part of that is now about changing providers, adding a 2nd, so if one goes
away I'm not sunk, and a small price increase, and changing my billing and
credit process. I now
Travis... I don't "bet" money on non-productive things. IE, I don't
gamble. It's a moral thing.
But, here's why I am saying you're not going to be able to...
1. Over the last 2 decades, industrial finance has been mostly done by
direct sales of bonds on the open market.This has fallen
- Original Message -
From: "Travis Johnson"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow
> You can not grow in large scales without financing... and I don't
> understand w
As I mentioned in my last post, I am now not willing to finance anything
substantial for any period of time beyond a few months.
While I'm no economics professor, nor claim any great knowledge, it appears
that the people who do make those claims are as befuddled as things can get.
Each has scen
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From: "Tom DeReggi"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Congress may help smaller ISPs grow
>
> Every WISP needs to ask themselves... Why are they not deploying more
> broadband
LOL!
That's really a pretty good description of any really large and beaurocratic
organization
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From: "Chuck McCown - 3"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Congress may he
There's a lawsuit going on...
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m4PRN/is_2008_Dec_8/ai_n31064185
Citing the NM AG: "...part of the damages that SkyWi has sustained at the
hands of Qwest is not an isolated event. States the Report, "...these
businesses, a vital sector of New Mexico's economy
I'm very, very, very tired of absolute and total incompetence of government
being given my money and used against the people's interest and for the
interests of the rich, powerful, or elected. As should EVERYONE.
Our nation faces very possible complete economic destruction and 100% of the
fau
>From the article:
"The big cable providers also want to target "underserved" areas, where
there is only one broadband provider or the service isn't widely available.
In those markets, companies would get incentives to build out
next-generation services. The download speed that would qualify as
Some general rules we followed, when setting up a doctor's office with a
remote access setup...
1. Physical security - all machines behind locked doors. No monitors
visible from any public area. No routers, switches, or ethernet plugs in
unlocked or insecure areas.
2. Network security - W
wow, when's someone going to tell the FCC that?
- Original Message -
From: "Jerry Richardson"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] One ISP says RIAA must pay for piracy protection
> "Jerry Scroggin
I've got a need for a single SR9.This is a freebie I'm doing for
someone. The new SR9 I bought was defective, and my last remaining reserve
also failed...
I know lotsa folks are trading out SR9's for Xr9's. I have very few SR9's
deployed and I'm using only XR9's now, but for this freebi
I have been seeing that trend for 4 years.
One of my first customers was dropping his landline for cellular and needed
internet.
- Original Message -
From: "Jeff Broadwick"
To: "'WISPA General List'"
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:29 AM
Sub
I have a license and registered site.
I'm about to find out exactly how the FCC intends to deal with this.
The site owner is a bandwidth provider, and they signed a frequency
coordination agreement with someone else, but I got my license and site
first.
The "other' guy is objecting to my using
Don't I remember that there was a lot of hype about interoperability?
That's why many of us still stick to the old a/b/g stuff. We hate the idea
of getting orphaned.
- Original Message -
From: "Drew Lentz"
To: "WISPA General List" ; "Gino Villarini
That's about a 100 watt PS, and it seems a bit high for a tabletop PS.
Like it would have heat issues
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From: "Eric Albert"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] PS
> This is
Yah..
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From: "Marlon K. Schafer"
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA]Dems blast FCC chief Martin for Obad manners¹
> Looks like a witch hunt to me.
> marlon
>
> - Original Me
That would have been all the back in ... 02? And on the ISP-Wireless
lists, before they got crazy paranoid about competition or whatever it was
that caused them to start banning people left and right way back whenever.
I haven't been back there since, no idea how those lists go today.
Anyway,
Yeah, amazing how stuff changes...
I once recall having a list monopolizing debate with Patrick that went on to
the point of rousing a mob...
Patrick arguing that residential wireless could not be done, and me arguing
that without residential, wireless was doomed. I wonder if he remembers...
A quick and handy feature is a "config" file which can be uploaded and
pretty much configures everything.
I set up my cpe and then downloaded the file. After that point, uploading
that file does a full configure of my CPE, including firewall, CBQ, NAT,
etc.
The file is unique per hardware pla
I read quite a bit of it, but gave up when I found it both boring and
tedious.
Martin's major crime is being a Republican.
Expect that in the next few months, that will be considered criminal and
prosecutable, as a concerted effort will be made to personally destroy every
appointee they can.
I have to disagree with the below.
There's a short, very steep curve at the bottom, but it's not as bad as one
might think from his description.
Compared to Mikrotik, it is the model of simplicity.
I have used it for the vast majority of everything, from backhauls to ap's
to clients, and I hav
Backup storage.
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From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Do you provide backup services?
> Please clarify...
>
> Storage solutions? or
> Redun
Do any of you provide backup data services to your broadband clients as a
value added or revenue improving service?
Was it a success or failure?
WISPA Wants You! Join today!
ht
Actually NOT believing in business swilling at the feet of the federal sow,
sucking up the future blood of future taxpayers is 'self righteous bull...".
Gotcha.
Damn. I thought we were Americans. Turns out we're "get every dollar you
can from any where you can" suckling pigs.
I am disgusted
Hmmm..
What I have been trying to get across here is that since everyone and their
dog is dashing to DC with buckets to beg at the taxpayer's blood draw, we as
an industry could stand out by saying "the broadband industry does not need
bailing out or any federal money". In fact, we should be
You need more power... those batteries are too discharged.
But, the dc to dc converter... try jameco or Mouser.
Be prepared for sticker shock :(
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From: "Randy Cosby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:0
And all the best to you, too.
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From: "Austin Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'"
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:52 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Too many awkward cricket chirps coming from the list...
>I know this
It's a long and quite off topic discussion to hash this out.
But to suggest that "not trusting government" is the equivalent of being an
advocate to anarchy is absurd.
The MOST corrupt and self serving institution in this country is Congress.
After you've figured that out, it begins to make sen
Rick, if someone is really seriously interested in looking back, they can
read the archives.
There's little point in it, really. I've just been watching for change.
There has been at least some shift over the years.
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From: "Rick
- Original Message -
From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
> On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>And I won't be. I was once and put money
>From small minds come small ideas.
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From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
> Wow...OK Who peed in the Muddy Water and hit the
And I won't be. I was once and put money into WISPA.When I think WISPA
has the interests of all WISPS in mind when they act, then I'll financially
support it. When WISPA goes to washington DC and represents to them, that
we actually WANT to be regulated, I cannot support them. When WIS
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
> Mark,
>
> Comments inline:
>
>>
>> To chop our noses off for the chance to wallow at the DC trough?
>> P
But there's no reason why consumers should be FORCED to buy that. Public
financing does not reduce cost, it increases it by subsidizing inefficiency
and overbuilding and hides the real cost.
Don't think that they get it "cheap". They pay far more than we do, even if
the monthly bill shows a
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From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article
>
>>We're all taxpayers, get off my back
>> already!
>
> I'm a little confused on your respon
Well, yeah. So who would be pushing the "broadband is above 10 meg" canard
anyway? I know of no present common internet application that needs in
excess of 3mbit to work well. Perhaps as you suggested, the speed was
chosen as a specific elimenation of most wireless and copper based DSL.
For
So can mine. But not when I have 40-60 clients on one 5 ghz AP.I sell
WHAT I CAN DELIVER and there's nowhere near enough spectrum available to
limit your client numbers per AP to be able to reliably do 10M at least 23.5
hours per day to any client. When the typical client can't get at le
That is a TERRIBLE idea.
To chop our noses off for the chance to wallow at the DC trough? Please.
It would be far more in our favor if we could get better tax treatment on
capital investment, if there were easier rules to deal with trading shares
of our companies to investors, if we had gaura
And which telco is this going to bail out?Money from Congress to
industry = pay off Unions for votes.
We will never, ever, ever, ever qualify.
Another headliner article I read on this will redefine "broadband" as over
10 Meg.
Nothing like disqualifying almost the entire WISP industry...
Who gets what in return?
- Original Message -
From: "Drew Lentz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:16 AM
Subject: [WISPA] FCC to put Free Wireless web access on table?
> >From Wall Street Journal today:
>
Not yet.
The process of getting the license was easy. The site registration was
completely new to me and took quite some time. The FCC has a whole batch
of terminology you may know nothing about.
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From: "Joel White" <[EMAIL
I have used a AIR-X for 4 years now. The blades are a composite plastic
and the ice WILL NOT stick to them. I've been there when the pole
supporting the generator had nearly an inch of ice on it and the antennas
were all coated too thick to break off, and the genset blades were ice free.
Ma
Lead acid batteries won't freeze unless discharged more than 50%.
for winter, just insulate them well to shield them from severe temperature
spikes and make sure you have more charging power than you need, and you're
good to go.
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Your panel sizing is right on, but you don't need that much battery cost.
Golf Cart batteries, which are near 200 each, are more than enough for a 12
volt system.
- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General L
Although I got my license and site registration some time ago, I am only now
putting it up. Will be done early next week.
Mark
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From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 200
I'm putting stuff up the first of the week next week. I'll post results.
- Original Message -
From: "Joel White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:38 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65
> Anyone out there using the Ubiquiti
I've got territory ranging from a town of 35K to open wheat fields to
rolling to tall mountains heavily forested.
I can find no particular need for, and in fact, find that low frequency
backhauls are at least sometimes self-defeating, due to huge Fresnel zones,
for instance. What I need, in p
Wow, there was only one in my area at all.
That means it should be quite open, right?
I've got a ton of areas that need this kind of stuff. Extremely rural
areas out in the woods and a little in-town stuff that's hard to cover due
to trees.
Even my 900 stuff didn't go past 5 blocks in my te
Just to clear things up:
The EPA has not yet accepted these, but the type of device is not
susceptible to melting down, blowing up, or anything else like that. The
"module" you are seeing is just the reactor, and it is JUST a heat generator
to make steam. You need a building to house the s
The two newsarticles I found on Rivera insisted he was the top of the list
for chairman, both published today.
regardless, changes in people can be profound changes in policy... Which
could be helpful or lethal...
We need to not be dependent on whims for our existence... The shifting
sands o
- Original Message -
From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT election results - probable new chairman named
> InterestingChoice.
>
> I think its worthy to not
The word on the streets is that the new FCC chairman is one Henry Rivera.
He is a former FCC commissioner, who has been a telco lobbyist since 2001.
The grist mill says he was chosen so he can push the FCC back into enforcing
"the fairness doctrine", which is federal control over broadcast polit
That's too bad.
Prediction is that from now on... Who gets it is who pays the biggest
bucks.
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From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT e
I was told not count on any of this stuff being available for 6 to 12
months...
- Original Message -
From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Damn, Ubiquiti
Business plans based upon credit or federal subsidy seem to be a risky
proposition right now.
We want nothing to do with USF funds, period.
Our business model and expense/debt/overhead is prepared to weather just
about anything except federal nastiness.
-
I'm looking for software that records video and audio from a windows
computer (client uses a cam attached to a computer) whenever motion is
detected, and uploads it to a remote server.
This is, of course, part of an investigation or evidence collection (not
sure which) dealing with divorce/chil
John, Payment made.
it references you and Jim Patient to help identify it.
Thanks
Mark
- Original Message -
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Cc: "Dori Crow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10
We can't do a whole lot, but if we all pitched in with 25 or 50 bucks, we
could cover the gas and food and place to stay bills...
Jim, you got a paypal address we can use to donate?
I'll do 50... I challenge you all to match it.
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Mac, I understand you completely. My daugher is NOLA , or on her way out
with friends... Or they darn well better be.
If I had the $$ I'd be getting ready to leave now so as to get there in
time. Me, my associate, and the bucket truck and travel trailer..
Unfortunately, I haven't the means
You flunket or passet...Your choice.
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From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List"
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:59 PM
Subject: [WISPA] testing
>
Actually, getthing the license is real easy. Finding your way through the
FCC's web mess, that's a different story.
however, when you go to register your location, that's when it gets harder.
They use terminology and expect stuff we've never even heard of.
The most dreaded words in the world "Hi, I'm from the government and I'm
here to help you!".
We can survive competition and bad spectrum and mediocre equipment and high
prices, but we cannot survive the helping hand of govenrment.
I would suggest asking them to cite the statutes that requires t
I'll have to look around and see if I can find it.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
> Um. Where do you get the 1k figure from?
>
>
>
The power output from those femtocells is so small, it more closely
resembles bluetooth.
It covers an area under 100 feet by 100 feet in open air, I read.
I dont' think that's going to cause high levels of interference.Besides,
they're all supposed to be indoors, as well.
And at a 1K a pop
There are farmers around here without a landline. They are 100% cellular
now. They even have spare lines for the temp guys that show up for
harvest/picking, etc.
I am presently only cellular and I chose that knowing that i do not have
100% coverage, but that was better than the customer get
I see no reason why they would not. The question is not if you can move
the building or structure or whatever it is mounted to, but whether or not
you properly update your location registration(s).One thing I find odd,
is that the process ignores the "client" and focuses on the base statio
I'm in there. Even have my paper license in the file...
Put in a site registration a few days ago...
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From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 12:55 PM
Subject: [WISPA]
I was in the process of registering a location in preparation to run a
licensed 3.65 ghz link. In fact, I wanted to run 3 of them from the same
site. That can be done by using 5 mhz channels, and at this time, that
would be sufficient bandwidth...
But no. At 5 mhz bandwidth, I can't have eno
Comments inline
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From: "Doug Ratcliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Court Injunction
> But when 802.11 became "easy" it invited all the people to use it w
"Whitespace"?
The last time I investigated, the area I am in is divided up into little
boxes and all of the former holders had leased to Sprint or Clearwire. The
box I am in had all of the holders either actively using, or leasing.
I could find no information on there being any unallocated spe
You say that as if Sprint and Clearwire have not already bought up
everything.
As far as I can tell, at least in the three states around me, they have.
EVERYTHING. They have it all.
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From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To
- Original Message -
From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sprint and Clearwire
>
> 2. WISPs can use 2.5ghz spectrum and should.
>
How?
-
I stopped tracking individual use...
But my average has remained the same since after my first year... 7 gigs
per customer. Summer use is a little more, winter is less.I do keep
track of the number of gigs.
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From: "David
I ran into something vaguely similar in frustration level in two nearby
towns.
Both of them start with declaring that the city has sufficient competitive
communications infrastructure and that the purpose of the regulations are to
prevent further "unsightly development".
It defines anything wi
Then could someone explain how this works out in real life?
The problem I have here, is that it appears that if we deploy some 3 or 5
mhz channels, we're going to be severely hampered EIRP-wise, from reaching
any distance at all.
Now, the UBNT XR3's are certified for a 5, 10, and 20 mzh channel
We can hack the MAC on atheros based chipsets.
Well, could, if we could get some funding together and some sharp minds...
MIMO interests me too. Again, the same "hackable" chipsets...
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA Gene
usage based means tiers of prices... No matter what you tell people or how
you warn them, if your bill this month is $100 and last month it was $25,
they WILL BE ANGRY.
Further, automating systems to bill per gig is kind of a pain.
The answer, then, I guess is... convenience.
+
Can anyone explain why the rule would encourage spectrum hogging?Use
wider channel = get more eirp???
- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [WIS
Bow to the east each morning and recite...
"Oh great Father in Washington, thou knowest all, divinest all, we are
unworthy to have thy great protection and wisdom..."
Or, we could start telling the FCC they're full of it...
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From
There's a lot of buzz about the Wavesat engineered minipci's and their
supposedly sub-$100 price tag.
Anyone know more about this?
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None of my normal suppliers have them.
Where do you get yours and what do you normally have to pay?
Thanks
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I buy the little black rectangular injectors... Generally use Titan
Wireless for them, and have been buying table top or laptop style power
supplies - the kind with two cords :) I have started using them only for
the odd setups where I need more power. I have had only ONE failure, and
that
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From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?
> Something like 85% of the American population belie
I use them occaisionally and find they work "ok". I once ran a box on them
that ran them close to full power, and it fried them within 2 weeks. I went
through two of them rapid fire before I found a different solution. Other
than that, they've been good for me.
+
:: laugh ::
Jack, it happens even in the best of regulated families :)
- Original Message -
From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:28 AM
Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Input Needed - Average numb
Jack, how are we supposed to know?
The only way to find anything approaching an average is to get those 500
responses and average them.
And t hen you still gotta define what a WISP is. Is it the guy who covers
an area the size of two city blocks and has backhauled in DSL from 3 miles
away?
Marlon, my friend, that is the wrong viewpoint.
This is the RIGHT one...
"Imagine the sales I could make if the taxpayers weren't subsidizing
CenturyTel."
The secret is not to become dependent upon subsidy... The best is to take
it from those who have built an entire industry of exploiting it
- Original Message -
From: "Mike Cowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 4:06 PM
Subject: [WISPA] 3.650 Wimax in the field
>
> Customer 1- 8.4 mile NLOS location. blocked by heavy trees . 1.5MB
> download holdi
- Original Message -
From: "Charles Wyble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] The nanostation thing
>
> Right. Madwifi ( http://madwifi.org/ ) is pretty good but having
> trouble
A year or two ago I had this idea that's related to our discussions...
In short, it was to create a open source platform for WISP use. I called
it WISP-OS. All the functions of routing, firewalling, dhcp client and
server, and all the other networking functions are out there and
consistentl
My experience is that you'll get around 500 feet of solid foliage.
If you're trying to go 5 miles, you have to get the antennas WAY up in the
air, or you get serious Fresnel zone losses. This means that 900 mhz is
actually somewhat limited to smaller cells than you'd think otherwise.
Yes, I'v
Wondering why someone would start 28 businesses.
But, whatever the case, I think I grasp the relevant facts here...
There's a few people here who have Rockefeller envy... they want to be
'titans of industry" and to them, that means playing in the sandbox with
public money, high roller financing
Sure I'm trolling, Ryan.
Just name for me the last ten successful small electric utility startups.
See if you can find for me the last ten ILEC's to start up as a "small
business".
And name for me the last 10 cities you know of with competitive water or
sewage companies.
And then remind me ag
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