Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-17 Thread David E. Smith
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 21:56, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: No, you were right, I was quoting from the Guide, it's just your response reminded me of the guy who worked out 42 as the actual number. Google calculator comes up with 42, also, if you do a search for the meaning

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-17 Thread Andy Trimmell
] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 21:56, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: No, you were right, I was quoting from the Guide, it's just your response reminded me of the guy who worked out 42 as the actual number. Google calculator comes up with 42

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-16 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
roflol Now THAT's funny! So long and thanks for all the fish! marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-16 Thread MDK
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice roflol Now THAT's funny! So long and thanks for all the fish! marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice roflol Now THAT's funny! So long and thanks for all the fish! marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:16 PM Subject: Re

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice The universal answer to all questions. I had all but forgotten it... Thanks! now, if I could just remember -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-16 Thread Mike
Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 2:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice The universal answer to all questions. I had all but forgotten

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-16 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Don't forget the towel.. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice The universal answer

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-16 Thread Robert West
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice Oh, and I was giving you credit for quoting from Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy, where 42 was the answer to the Universal Question. mg At 04:11 PM 12/16/2009, you wrote: I read an interesting thing the other

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-15 Thread Robert West
-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice Walks on the edge of what? For many decades, we paid HUGE per minute prices for long distance.And rather large sums just to have

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-14 Thread David E. Smith
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 20:42, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.com wrote: - connect CPE equipment to electrical service that was funded by the Rural Electric Administration. Another bad deal. I'm gonna have to call

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-14 Thread RickG
I workde for an REA. One of the most wasteful companies I've ever seen. Private companies could do a much better job. Besides, I agree with our forefathers who repeatedly said that they see no reason for the government to take money from some to give to others. -RickG On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-14 Thread Robert West
To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I workde for an REA. One of the most wasteful companies I've ever seen. Private companies could do a much better job. Besides, I agree with our forefathers who repeatedly said that they see no reason

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-14 Thread RickG
. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I workde for an REA. One of the most

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-14 Thread Chuck Bartosch
Nicely put. The same thought has crossed my mind about the diatribes people write on these lists. Chuck On Dec 13, 2009, at 8:27 PM, Tim Sylvester wrote: Yes, I am amazed. Amazed by the bitching and whining about government on this list by people who ... - sell wireless service using

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-14 Thread Brad Belton
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice On Dec 13, 2009, at 8:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: No, what's really amazing is people think

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-14 Thread Tim Sylvester
: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice The question that one must ask themself is... Is the public adequately being served in most cases where broadband is delivered? Is the private sector capable and doing

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-14 Thread MDK
' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice Yes, I am amazed. Amazed by the bitching and whining about government on this list by people who ... - sell wireless service using spectrum owned by everyone and allocated to them by the FCC for free

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-14 Thread MDK
Of RickG Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I workde for an REA. One of the most wasteful companies I've ever seen. Private companies could do a much better job. Besides, I agree with our

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-14 Thread Robert West
, 2009 4:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice And each of these is the evidence I have that I do NOT want them doing anything more, and I want them OUT of those things, as well. -- From

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-14 Thread ccrum
, December 14, 2009 4:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice And each of these is the evidence I have that I do NOT want them doing anything more, and I want them OUT of those things, as well

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-14 Thread Robert West
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice With the exception of the local civil services, I would think that if there were a profit involved in those things, then maybe there would

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-14 Thread Randy Cosby
when dealing with them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice With the exception

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-14 Thread Tom DeReggi
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice The question that one must ask themself is... Is the public adequately

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-14 Thread Scottie Arnett
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice With the exception of the local civil services, I would think that if there were a profit involved in those things, then maybe there would be some accountability too. As it is, most of those programs are nothing to write home about

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread MDK
: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:20 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President Obama is not even close to enough

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread RickG
. -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:20 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread Robert West
42 is the answer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice Thats right! And the government

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread MDK
. -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:20 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread Tim Sylvester
Yes, I am amazed. Amazed by the bitching and whining about government on this list by people who ... - sell wireless service using spectrum owned by everyone and allocated to them by the FCC for free or low cost. - sell access to the Internet, a network originally funded and developed by DARPA

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread Robert West
7:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice You are correct. my apologies to those misrepresented. I don't mean to say everyone's in agreement on anything.Just that I see this everywhere. NOt by everyone, just that it pervades almost

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread Brad Belton
Sylvester Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:28 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice Yes, I am amazed. Amazed by the bitching and whining about government on this list by people who ... - sell wireless service using spectrum owned

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread Eje Gustafsson
, 2009 7:28 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice Yes, I am amazed. Amazed by the bitching and whining about government on this list by people who ... - sell wireless service using spectrum owned by everyone and allocated to them by the FCC

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread RickG
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.comwrote: Yes, I am amazed. Amazed by the bitching and whining about government on this list by people who ... - sell wireless service using spectrum owned by everyone and allocated to them by the FCC for free or low cost.

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread RickG
Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice You are correct. my apologies to those misrepresented. I don't

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread RickG
-Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tim Sylvester Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:28 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice Yes, I am amazed. Amazed

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread Josh Luthman
To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice Yes, I am amazed. Amazed by the bitching and whining about government on this list by people who ... - sell wireless service using spectrum owned by everyone and allocated to them

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread Tim Sylvester
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 6:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice And whom is providing the government with the monies to do this? The tax payers and isn't a tax payer allowed

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-13 Thread Robert West
Truth is always stranger than fiction. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 9:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice http

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-12 Thread Scottie Arnett
, December 11, 2009 9:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice A lot of organizations only consider fiber worthy of deployment going forward. $1500 seems about appropriate, then. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-12 Thread Robert West
: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice A lot of organizations only consider fiber worthy of deployment going forward. $1500 seems about appropriate, then. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-12 Thread Mike Hammett
-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice There will be places that running fiber 5 miles

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-12 Thread Mike
: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice A lot of organizations only consider fiber worthy of deployment going

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-12 Thread Robert West
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:22 AM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I have to believe we are on the cusp of some real innovation. The answer

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-12 Thread Philip Dorr
List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I have to believe we are on the cusp of some real innovation.  The answer will not be wireless as we now know it.  Instead, it will be some sort of ultra wide band signal spread over a certain frequency band and controlled

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-12 Thread Robert West
...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I have to believe we are on the cusp of some real innovation. The answer will not be wireless as we now know it. Instead, it will be some sort of ultra wide band signal spread over a certain

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-11 Thread Robert West
stimulus funds won't suffice http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband access, according to a new study from Insight Research. Scottie

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-11 Thread Scottie Arnett
Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband access, according

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-11 Thread Robert West
...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:49 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I found these stats interesting: the number of households either lacking Internet service

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-11 Thread Mike Hammett
: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:48 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice I found these stats interesting: the number of households either lacking Internet service altogether or using dial-up connections approaches 58 million - half

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-11 Thread Robert West
, December 11, 2009 9:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice A lot of organizations only consider fiber worthy of deployment going forward. $1500 seems about appropriate, then. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http

Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice

2009-12-11 Thread Travis Johnson
Scottie Arnett Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:20 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx "The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President Obam