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From: Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:07 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
Butch,
Thanks for taking the time to reply with a well thought out
Please don't take this in a negative tone because it is not meant to be, I
know it is hard to judge tone through an email.
It astounds me that you would make the statement above but not
understand why it is your obligation to pay the $25 a month it costs to
pay your part. If you cannot pay $25
On Fri, 18 May 2007, Chadd Thompson wrote:
I am sorry but as I mentioned above I can not see from the outside
what WISPA is doing or has going on. Maybe I am not paying close
enough attention, I don't know.
I'll just mention TWO examples. Direct $ for $ examples, too. You
may not be using
Butch, I have also seen more valuable information shared amongst paid
members such as contracts for towers, roof rights and end-user
agreements. Each of these documents could be well-worth the annual fee
individually.
You also get voting rights which help you steer WISPA's direction.
Well as a new member to Wispa I have already got back half my dues by using
Kris Twomey, and I am gonna look at Frank Muto's product.
Robert
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:19 AM
To: WISPA General
Same here with Kris Twomey, and I AM now using Frank Muto's Postini
product... He gives a good discount to WISPA members, gave a 30-day trial,
and spent alot of time on the phone with me in training. Now it's like
Spam? What spam? from my customers that I have turned it on for.
Mark Nash
Butch,
Thanks for taking the time to reply with a well thought out professional
response to my questions.
Those are just 2 examples, both of which were posted right here on
this free list.
Sorry if what I was asking didn't come across the correct way. I am not
worried about the
Chadd Thompson wrote:
Does WISPA seek input from members when dealing with issues like this? Or is
everything decided by a group of officers? In other words how does the ORG
run on a day to day basis, how are decisions made, how does it decide what
battles to fight, how does it determine what
On Fri, 18 May 2007, Chadd Thompson wrote:
Sorry if what I was asking didn't come across the correct way. I am
not worried about the monetary value of what membership gives, that
information has been well advertised. There seems to be great
support from vendors and such to WISPA members.
In
(In response to Lonnie and Mac)
1) It takes money for an organization to do things.
Sometimes vendors put up that money so that their customer base thrives.
(Some times they do not).
2) It's always hard to get dues-paying members, especially when the most
value is the listserv.
(Again, it
I'm going out on a limb and will voice some things that have been suppressed.
I get your point that you think I am a freeloader and do not
contribute. My problem for not joining is not a money one, but rather
one of principle.
I did get involved early on and saw that there was still an old
Lonnie,
I've been quiet through this whole thing, but I have to speak up here.
CALEA is a reality here, and I believe that something like it will soon be a
reality in Canada. Shouting at the Capitol building from outside the fence
may feel good, but it gets nothing accomplished. The FACT is
I am not saying that CALEA is not real and I actually agree that is
required, BUT, did the group have to agree with the rushed timing and
especially agree to meet a standard that was not even defined?
They could have argued for some prior consultation to make sure the
requirements were not a
Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
My suspicion is you'll
get the support if you represent what people want. People vote with
their feet and pocketbooks. I've seen a lot of good people leave.
I've seen a lot of good people forced out because the GOB's could not
stand them. And I've seen a lot of good
Inline...
Matt Liotta wrote:
Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
I am not saying that CALEA is not real and I actually agree that is
required, BUT, did the group have to agree with the rushed timing and
especially agree to meet a standard that was not even defined?
Specifically, CALEA does not require
Agreed.
Lonnie
On 5/17/07, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
I am not saying that CALEA is not real and I actually agree that is
required, BUT, did the group have to agree with the rushed timing and
especially agree to meet a standard that was not even defined?
You are comparing apples to grapes.
The telcos have an embedded base and have billions of dollars to force
their issues.
FYI, the original order was in August 2005. So people actually had over
1 year to get ready.
(timeline here: http://www.lasarletter.net/drupal/node/9)
Lonnie Nunweiler
Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
I'm going out on a limb and will voice some things that have been
suppressed.
I get your point that you think I am a freeloader and do not
contribute. My problem for not joining is not a money one, but rather
one of principle.
I did get involved early on and saw
Thanks for the link Peter, that answers my earlier comment to Matt
concerning having 2 years to voice opinion.
Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless
Peter R. wrote:
You are comparing apples to grapes.
The telcos have an embedded base and have billions of dollars to force
their issues.
FYI,
Well, that should bring JohnnyO out of the woodwork! :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 4:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
Sam Tetherow wrote:
I don't want to drag this topic up again, BUT ;) Two years ago, did
this apply to ISPs or just VOIP providers? I don't remember anyone on
the lists talking about CALEA being for anything other than VOICE in
various forms, but maybe my memory is selective, wouldn't be the
Sam Tetherow wrote:
Thanks for the link Peter, that answers my earlier comment to Matt
concerning having 2 years to voice opinion.
I didn't mean we had 2 years. What I meant was that it was in 2005
(almost 2 years ago) that the CALEA requirement was issued.
-Matt
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WISPA Wireless List:
People were allowed a LOT of leeway in taking shots at Mark. It got
very personal, very quickly and I have no idea if people were
reprimanded or not. He was definitely excluded by attacks from a
select few who did not want any differing views.
Why does everything have to hit the fight or
Thanks Lonnie
My only goal for WISPA is to unite us all, divided we fail. Even if
I'm off base, I'm just one opinion.
George
Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
You have shown your good nature many, many times George. Thanks for
the hard work and peace making. Are you sure you're not Canadian?
- Original Message -
From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
I am not saying that CALEA is not real and I actually agree that is
Okay. So we have two parties here.
Those that are loud and boisterous.
And the lurkers and people who think WISPA has veered the wrong way.
Well, elections are June 15.
Your candidates are here: http://nominations.wispa.org/
Writing about what they see as the future.
Read it - and ask them
Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
You have shown your good nature many, many times George. Thanks for
the hard work and peace making.
He is a good man.
Are you sure you're not Canadian?
Peace making is not something peculiar to Canadians. In fact that is what
American's do best. We make peace.
I will say this though - if you aren't a member, how do you have a say
in what the Org does?
Because the org is speaking on the behalf of all WISPS not just WISPA
members. If the org is speaking on the behalf of all WISPS then all WISPS
should be able to have some input on what is being taken
Chadd Thompson wrote:
I will say this though - if you aren't a member, how do you have a say
in what the Org does?
Because the org is speaking on the behalf of all WISPS not just WISPA
members. If the org is speaking on the behalf of all WISPS then all WISPS
should be able to have some
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