Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-27 Thread Mark Duling
stituent Group Listserv [mailto: > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Mark Duling > *Sent:* Friday, January 23, 2015 11:49 AM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention > > > > My

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-27 Thread Peter P Morrissey
Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Mark Duling Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 11:49 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention My thoughts too. I'm not sure how much we an complain abo

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-27 Thread Peter P Morrissey
- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hunter Fuller Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 5:15 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention O

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Frank Bulk
ry 23, 2015 4:22 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention Last I checked it worked in everything but Windows. Eh no one uses that, right? :D -- Hunter Fuller Network Engineer VBRH M-9B +1 256 824 5331 Office of I

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Hunter Fuller
Last I checked it worked in everything but Windows. Eh no one uses that, right? :D -- Hunter Fuller Network Engineer VBRH M-9B +1 256 824 5331 Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama in Huntsville Systems and Infrastructure I am part of the UAH Safe Zone LGBTQIA support ne

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Coehoorn, Joel
In theory, yes. In practice, good luck finding it implemented that way in a product we can actually deploy, or supported in a product in use by our constituents. On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: > Isn’t the certificates thing being described something like EAP-TLS? > > > > Fra

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Hunter Fuller
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Peter P Morrissey wrote: > We get authentication and thus historical retribution from 802.1x by default, > which is also considered NAC by some definitions. This is handy. We also get > encryption, although I’m with you on questioning that as well. Nowadays, it

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Philippe Hanset
M > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention > > Excellent thoughts, Joel. As I mentioned- the new certifications notion was > AN idea, not th

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Mark Duling
. Don’t judge me. J > > Pete Morrissey > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Jeffrey Sessler > *Sent:* Friday, January 23, 2015 2:07 PM > > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU &g

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Julian Y Koh
On Fri Jan 23 2015 14:25:29 CST, "Hinson, Matthew P" wrote: > > Cleared the chain of nested replies :):) -- Julian Y. Koh Acting Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern University Information Technology (NUIT) 2001 Sheridan Road #G-166 Evanston, IL 60208

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Frank Bulk
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention Excellent thoughts, Joel. As I mentioned- the new certifications notion was AN idea, not the solution to a hyper-complex problem. But your suggestion is really interesting and sounds reasonable and powerful. Lee B

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Hinson, Matthew P
Cleared the chain of nested replies, but more on this subject: I would definitely be in favor of an encrypted semi-open wireless standard. Something kind of like PPSK but not in all ways. As was stated before, such a standard would ideally have a certificate purchased from a trusted CA that 99%

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Jeffrey Sessler
it for the admin side? Just asking. Don’t judge me. J Pete Morrissey From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Sessler Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 2:07 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Peter P Morrissey
me. ☺ Pete Morrissey From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Sessler Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 2:07 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance'

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Jeffrey Sessler
stituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Sessler Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 1:20 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention I think you could accomplish the same co

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Frank Sweetser
SS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Jeffrey Sessler *Sent:* Friday, January 23, 2015 12:39 PM *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention I don't know

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Frank Sweetser
On Behalf Of *Coehoorn, Joel *Sent:* Friday, January 23, 2015 12:55 PM *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention does the enterprise wlan market need to figure out how to look more like a consumer wlan? Is this a problem EDU

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Jeffrey Sessler
tuent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 12:55 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention > does the enterprise wlan market need to figure out how to lo

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Brian Helman
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Sessler Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 1:20 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention I think you could accomplish the same consumer friendly setup in classrooms, labs, etc. and

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Jeffrey Sessler
EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention I don't know Lee, in my mind is it the device maker's requirements to work in both consumer and enterprise environment, or does the enterprise wlan market need to figure out how to look more

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Lee H Badman
://wirednot.wordpress.com) From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 12:55 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Coehoorn, Joel
> does the enterprise wlan market need to figure out how to look more like a consumer wlan? Is this a problem EDU's have created because of some desire to provide a service that's more complex or invasive to use then it has to be? Is there really a need to on-board devices and have them associate u

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Jeffrey Sessler
I don't know Lee, in my mind is it the device maker's requirements to work in both consumer and enterprise environment, or does the enterprise wlan market need to figure out how to look more like a consumer wlan? Is this a problem EDU's have created because of some desire to provide a service that'

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Lee H Badman
@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention I don't know Lee, in my mind is it the device maker's requirements to work in both consumer and enterprise environment, or does the enterprise wlan market need to figure out how to look more like a co

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-23 Thread Mark Duling
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Julian Y Koh > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:45 PM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention > > On Thu Jan 22 2015 13:47:18 CST, Lee H Badman wrote

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-22 Thread Bruce Boardman
erv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Julian Y Koh Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:45 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention On Thu Jan 22 2015 13:47:18 CST, Lee H Badman wrote: > > I know

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-22 Thread Julian Y Koh
On Thu Jan 22 2015 13:47:18 CST, Lee H Badman wrote: > > I know self-promotion is in poor taste, but wanted to share this > > http://www.networkcomputing.com/wireless-infrastructure/the-case-for-wlan-interoperability/a/d-id/1318718?​ > > I think you’ve earned the right for a little self-pro

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-22 Thread Hinson, Matthew P
Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Coehoorn, Joel Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:53 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention Not sure I agree with the &quo

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-22 Thread Coehoorn, Joel
f *Hinson, Matthew P > *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:27 PM > *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention > > > > Lee, > > > > Good write-up. I found myself nodding in agreement frequently as I read &

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-22 Thread Jonn Martell
Hi Lee, The WiFi Alliance has never, ever, really cared about "end user" input from Enterprises. Years ago, when I was leading a very large WLAN deployment, I was able to attend as many IEEE sessions as I wanted. I attended mostly to see what was coming (to plan accordingly) and to provide enterp

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Trying to get the Wi-Fi Alliance's Attention

2015-01-22 Thread Mike King
Lee, Here's a bit of the opposition. Search for products with Glass in the name: https://www.wi-fi.org/product-finder-results?sort_by=default&sort_order=desc&keywords=glass Zero hits Search for products with Google in the name: https://www.wi-fi.org/product-finder-results?sort_by=default&sort_or