[WSG] active and current id's in lists

HI all I need someone to point me in the right direction so that i can find out more about the active and current bits in a ul used for navigation like this - ** link link link this is one of the lists off css.maxdesign but i dont actually understand what the /active /and /current /is referri

Re: [WSG] active and current id's in lists

> I need someone to point me in the right direction so that i can find out > more about the active and current bits in a ul used for navigation like > this - > > > ** link > link > link > > > this is one of the lists off css.maxdesign but i dont actually > understand what the /active /and /curren

Re: [WSG] IE7 may ship ahead of Longhorn

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:57:17 +1100, Chris Blown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't know why MS just don't do what Apple did with Safari and leverage an open source rendering engine like Gecko or KHtml. That doesn't fit world domination plan. MS must OWN everything. Oh, that's right they'd break all

[WSG] valid tracker code

Do any of you wizards know of a (free) tracker which actually validates when used with xhtml strict? Or indeed, ANY tracker with valid code? Many thanks, Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for h

Re: [WSG] valid tracker code

designer wrote: Do any of you wizards know of a (free) tracker which actually validates when used with xhtml strict? Or indeed, ANY tracker with valid code? Many thanks, You don't need to use the code trackers give you, they work by making visitors to your site download an image from their servers

Re: [WSG] IE7 may ship ahead of Longhorn

>> Oh, that's right they'd break all those IE only web applications that >> just about every large MS shop / corporation uses to do business. >> >> Now that wouldn't be very nice, would it? > > Oh, that would be very nice! These shops would finally > rewrite their web apps in more robust standard c

Re: [WSG] valid tracker code

Hello, I am delurking as I may have the answer to your question :) I just found a free hit counter/tracker this morning that not only can include valid code but also valid xhtml code, a rare thing. You can see it here:http://www.statcounter.com/ Haven't used it yet, but from what I see so far i

Re: [WSG] valid tracker code

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:30:58 -0400, The Snider's Web <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, I am delurking as I may have the answer to your question :) I just found a free hit counter/tracker this morning that not only can include valid code but also valid xhtml code, a rare thing. You can see it

Re: [WSG] valid tracker code

Hi Kornel, What is interesting is that once I signed up I found this information under 'generate your code', where they have two options for the code (standards compliant and xhtml). I had no clue looking at the web site that they even had this (maybe it was there but I was in a rush)...Here is

RE: [WSG] valid tracker code

Hi, I use this statcounter on my homepage, and it validates for me, it’s the ONLY stats service that offers valid XHTML and complient counter/tracker. If you guys want to have a look at the kinda stats it generates, I have opened up my account for you guys, go here: http://my.statcounter.com/pro

RE: [WSG] valid tracker code

Hi, I am currently using Sebastian Bergmann's phpOpenTracker: >> http://www.phpopentracker.de/en/index.php It's a complete framework for website analysis with a powerful (free to configure) interface, using mySQL and PHP. Unfortunately, this tracker also can mess up your html by using session-I

Re: [WSG] valid tracker code

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:08:15 -0400, The Snider's Web <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.statcounter.com/counter/counter_xhtml.js";>http://www.statcounter.com/";>http://c5.statcounter.com/counter.php?sc_project=XXX&java=0&security=XXX"; alt="free web site hit counter" />

Re: [WSG] valid tracker code

You could also use some HTACCESS to mod up a similar solution as your PHP one. by prepending a php file to all files (whether they be PHP files, image files or whatnot) :D Tim Isenheim wrote: Hi, I am currently using Sebastian Bergmann's phpOpenTracker: http://www.phpopentracker.de/en/index.p

[WSG] Quirks DTD

To solve the issue of standarts-compliant browsers rendering non-standards-compliant web pages. Could the W3C create a 'Quirks DTD' for webpages that do not specify there own DTD? -Alan Trick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup

RE: [WSG] Quirks DTD

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To solve the issue of standarts-compliant browsers rendering > non-standards-compliant web pages. Could the W3C create a > 'Quirks DTD' > for webpages that do not specify there own DTD? Well, that's basically what is happening...just that browsers have different i

[WSG] off-color language on the list

Hi All I don't want to sound like the prudish aunt that smacks your knuckles when you say four letter words, but I thought I'd pass on just a wee warning and suggestion. These posts are often picked up by search engines and archived. It is very possible that one of your bosses or clients could do

RE: [WSG] active and current id's in lists

The active id is giving you the opportunity to make that list item stand out from the others. The current id is giving you the opportunity to make the link stand out from the others. Here's an example. The current list item is a different color than the other list item buttons. The active link

Re: [WSG] active and current id's in lists

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:59:59 -0800, Ted Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The active id is giving you the opportunity to make that list item stand out from the others. The current id is giving you the opportunity to make the link stand out from the others. Why second ID instead of simply usin

RE: [WSG] active and current id's in lists

personally, I wouldn't add the second id. However, you may be working with a nested set of links. The current id says, show the nested list, the active says, this is the active link We are using something similar for the topnav on this web site: www.csatravelprotection.com Instead of #current,

Re: [WSG] Quirks DTD

To solve the issue of standarts-compliant browsers rendering non-standards-compliant web pages. Could the W3C create a 'Quirks DTD' for webpages that do not specify there own DTD? -Alan Trick Well, that's basically what is happening...just that browsers have different interpretation of what

Re: [WSG] Quirks DTD

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:38:32 -0500, Alan Trick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It would be nice, however if we had some standard about this that the browsers could at least be encouraged to implement. It might help with the goal of making older sites "viewable in any browser". If a free DTD or

Re: [WSG] valid tracker code

Hi Kornel, That makes sense :) I am off to read more... Cheers Lisa At 02:53 PM 2/16/2005 +, you wrote: On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:08:15 -0400, The Snider's Web <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: src="http://www.statcounter.com/counter/counte

[WSG] is this mozzila only css?

Is this valid css or is it a mozzila/firefox only thing.  (I know it doesn't work in IE) foo[bar=baz]{stylingstuff} for the element If not is there a way to do this without using XSL? -Alan Trick

Re: [WSG] is this mozzila only css?

Alan Trick wrote: Is this valid css or is it a mozzila/firefox only thing. (I know it doesn't work in IE) foo[bar=baz]{stylingstuff} for the element It's part of the official CSS2.1 spec http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/selector.html#attribute-selectors Of course IE doesn't support it, as sta

[WSG] " or " in copy?

Hello, Is there a reason I should be using " (or any other HTML entity) within regular tags like , , , etc.? I know I have to use them when they are to be displayed within a form field but within regular copy I'm not seeing it as necessary. What is the consesus on this? Thanks, Chris. ***

Re: [WSG] " or " in copy?

I don't know about " but if you use & instead of & it will break your xml pages (i.e. *must* be in xml) -Alan Trick Chris W. Parker wrote: Hello, Is there a reason I should be using " (or any other HTML entity) within regular tags like , , , etc.? I know I have to use them when they are to be

Re: [WSG] " or " in copy?

Chris W. Parker wrote: Hello, Is there a reason I should be using " (or any other HTML entity) within regular tags like , , , etc.? I know I have to use them when they are to be displayed within a form field but within regular copy I'm not seeing it as necessary. What is the consesus on this? I'm g

[WSG] " or " - when is it strictly enforced?

Is this an xhtml strict requirement? I have been using plain quotes thinking the " code was for the nice curly quote effect. Should I begin transforming my sites? It's not an easy search and replace. Ted David R wrote: But officially when " isn't being used to delimit attribute values it

Re: [WSG] valid tracker code

Patrick Lauke has a validating version of the extreme tracker counter on his page: http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/67/ cheers kemie -- ...:| kemie |:... .:| www.monolinea.com |:.

RE: [WSG] " or " in copy?

David R on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 11:58 AM said: > you /might/ get away with using it insice body text: > > hello, he said "hello" to me yesterday Yes that's what I'm referring to. > But officially when " isn't being used to delimit attribute values it > mus

[WSG] Around We Go

This example of rounded corners (http://kalsey.com/2003/07/rounded_corners_in_css/), is elegant and efficient, but 2 years old. I've "googled" til blurry eyed, but have only found contemporary examples with 8 nested divs and other nightmares. Would someone guide me to a standards based solutio

Re: [WSG] " or " in copy?

But officially when " isn't being used to delimit attribute values it must be written in entity form: " Reference? My bad... XHTML1.1 derives from XHTML1.0 Strict which derives from HTML4.01 Strict ...Which mentions this about quote entities: --- http://www.w3.org/TR/h

[WSG] css markup for a list with a list

I have an unorganized sublist with a organized list and it's not picking up my CSS. Sorry I don't have a link to the page I can display, but was hoping someone could assist based upon my code. (x) html: first list item 2nd list item 3rd list item: first sublist item for 3rd list item 2nd su

Re: [WSG] off-color language on the list

Regardless of what we say in real life or in private emails, swearing on this list is completely unacceptable, as has been mentioned many times - as well as being clearly stated in our guidelines. http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm The list administrators reserve the right to unsubs

Re: [WSG] IE7 Confirmed

David R wrote: ...Straight from Scoble's blog: http://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/2005/02/15.html#a9441 This should prove interesting -- -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guideli

[WSG] Other character sets/languages

This is kind of embarrassing to admit, but for the very first time, I've undertaken to code a page (partially) in another language, and in another character set too, and I don't really know how to do it properly. And it's not just a matter of a few accents here and there -- the language is Vie

RE: [WSG] Around We Go

Hi Chris, > Would someone guide me to a standards based solution without all the > gif wrapping? I don't know if it fits the bill but the simplest solution I came up with was a mixture of a header and two divs: Title Box contents You can see this technique in use at http://www.btbusinessoffi

Re: [WSG] IE7 Confirmed

Also note that it will only be made available for XP. Everyone else will have to stay on IE6 or earlier. Carl. Windows XP now accounts for 60% of all Internet users now? I'll probably just put a notice up, telling people to download Firefox or Opera if they're on Pre-Windows XP or IE7.0 if they'

[WSG] Standard this

Hi I was just thinking Why not include a 'browser-build' selector in css? Obviously different browsers will all have their own quircks and giving the designer better control on what style gets displayed on what browser will leave designers with less excuses of building mono browser websites

Re: [WSG] " or " in copy?

Actually " is an inch symbol. For quotes we should use “ and ” in normal text. -- Best regards, Dmitry Baranovskiy ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints o

[WSG] Broken Dropdown

Hi Peoples,   I'm having trouble with a dropdown menu. (Although working in WIN IE6).   The code is here: http://www.mpstrata.com.au/newsite/index.php http://www.mpstrata.com.au/newsite/style.css http://www.mpstrata.com.au/newsite/nav.css   The dropdown appears to work fine until I add 'scro

Re: [WSG] css markup for a list with a list

Bruce, Your selector [.content ol li ul li] refers to a list item within the unordered list, not the list itself. What you want is probably: .content ol li ul { margin: 0 0 0 25px; list-style-type: none; font-size: 100%; color: #f00; } Why you're having a problem

Re: [WSG] active and current id's in lists

thanks chaps! ... now i get it! Will put into practice immediately. What a great list.. go home depressed... come in in the morning and everything is fine! jackie Ted Drake wrote: personally, I wouldn't add the second id. However, you may be working with a nested set of links. The current id sa

RE: [WSG] " or " in copy?

Dmitry Baranovskiy on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:16 PM said: > Actually " is an inch symbol. For quotes we should use “ and > ” in normal text. Interesting point. Chris. ** The discussion list for http://we

RE: [WSG] Broken Dropdown

Sorry..  that was meant to be 'overflow: auto;'  (Typo/Brainspasm in last email). Hi Peoples,   I'm having trouble with a dropdown menu. (Although working in WIN IE6).   The code is here: http://www.mpstrata.com.au/newsite/index.php http://www.mpstrata.com.au/newsi

Re: [WSG] Standard this

Andy Pieters wrote: Why not include a 'browser-build' selector in css? While it sounds good from a practice perspective, it goes against the whole idea of CSS: A standardized, device independent language for describing the presentational aspects of a document.

Re: [WSG] " or " in copy?

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:16:09 +1100, Dmitry Baranovskiy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually " is an inch symbol. For quotes we should use “ and ” in normal text. And when you have already this far, I would say, *free your mind from eight bit* and use unicode :) (Takes less space and is better t

Re: [WSG] Standard this

Why not include a 'browser-build' selector in css? While it sounds good from a practice perspective, it goes against the whole idea of CSS: A standardized, device independent language for describing the presentational aspects of a document. How is this different than a media selector, media quer

Re: [WSG] " or " in copy?

> > Actually " is an inch symbol. For quotes we should use “ and > > ” in normal text. True typographical double quotes are ‘ and ’ Single quotes are ‘ and ’ XML parsers are only required to recognise a few named entities (&, < etc) so you should get used to using numbered entities now... Andre

Re: [WSG] Standard this

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:13:46 +0100, Andy Pieters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Why not include a 'browser-build' selector in css? And then some browsers will start to offer option: "Change browser-build information" ...and it would fail as any other browser-detection mechanism has failed. Except th

Re: [WSG] " or " in copy?

At 02:16 PM 2/16/2005, Dmitry Baranovskiy wrote: Actually " is an inch symbol. For quotes we should use “ and ” in normal text. I thought “ and “ were deprecated in HTML4. I use: ‘ = left single quote ’ = right single quote (apostrophe) “ = left double quote ” = right double quote etc. See http

[WSG] A little help with tab index and accesskeys

Hi, I've built myself this site http://republicana.dk (almost done) and I'm a little confused about accesskeys and tab index. What I've so far is this... Accesskeys: * Skip to content (alt s) * Index.php (alt 1) * Sitemap (alt 3) * Search (alt 4) * Conditions (alt 5) * A tab li

[WSG] CSS3.0

Just out of curiosity... Is the CSS3.0 Spec finalised, or are they still accepting suggestions and comments? Because I really want to suggest "multiple background images" for CSS3.0 (provided it isn't suggested already) Where do I find the "Suggestion Box" for the W3C? ;) Regards -- -David R **

Re: [WSG] Standard this

At 02:13 PM 2/16/2005, Andy Pieters wrote: Why not include a 'browser-build' selector in css? Andy, Folks in both listserves you posted this to have explained pretty well why it's a bad idea. Ironically, I imagine some of these same folks use browser-specific hacks in their CSS. Well, heck, ev

Re: [WSG] CSS3.0

On 17 Feb 2005, at 8:31 am, David R wrote: ust out of curiosity... Is the CSS3.0 Spec finalised, or are they still accepting suggestions and comments? Start your visit here Nothing is finalised yet [1]. Because I really want to suggest "multiple bac

RE: [WSG] Broken Dropdown

Am abandoning the overflow: auto on the content area. If anybody works out why it may not have worked, id be interested in hearing the reason off list.   Thankyou Paul Sorry..  that was meant to be 'overflow: auto;'  (Typo/Brainspasm in last email). Hi Peoples

Re: [WSG] Quirks DTD

Alan Trick wrote: If a free DTD or CSS (or whatever would be required) was released, then mabye browsers (besides IE) would conform to the non-standard standard. Unless I'm misreading you, I think it's worth clarifying one thing: a DTD alone does absolutely nothing. Browsers have some hardcoded

Re: [WSG] A little help with tab index and accesskeys

Kim Kruse wrote: Should accesskeys not only be used for "important" links... like accesskeys page, sitemap etc? I'd say yes to that one. Otherwise you end up with a jungle of accesskeys, which are then hard to memorise and will most likely conflict (if you move beyond numbers into letters) with

Re: [WSG] CSS3.0

s/Public/www-style/> Forgot to add, there is a new draft out < http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-css3-background-20050216> Philippe ---/--- Philippe Wittenbergh now live : <http://emps.l-c-n.com/> code | design | web projects : <http://www.l-c-n.com/> IE5 Mac bugs and od

Re: [WSG] CSS3.0

CSS 3 Backgrounds and Borders module is in Working Draft stage. http://w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work#contribute details the mailing list which will allow you to make suggestions. HTH, Michael On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:31:20 +, David R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just out of curiosity... > >

Re: [WSG] " or " in copy?

I thought “ and “ were deprecated in HTML4. I use: ‘ = left single quote ’ = right single quote (apostrophe) “ = left double quote ” = right double quote etc. See http://www.ascii.cl/htmlcodes.htm Doesn't this go against the "semantics" of XHTML? Use of entities in documents prevents the XHTML

Re: [WSG] A little help with tab index and accesskeys

On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 10:45, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: > Kim Kruse wrote: > > Should accesskeys not only be used for "important" > > links... like accesskeys page, sitemap etc? > > I'd say yes to that one. Otherwise you end up with a jungle of > accesskeys, which are then hard to memorise and will

Re: [WSG] A little help with tab index and accesskeys

Hi, These articles help sort out some of the confusion. (http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2003/12/29/i_do_not_use/ index.php?cssfile=/css/proton-sm.css) (http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeyconflicts/37) C On Wednesday, February 16, 2005, at 04:45 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Kim Kruse wrote: S

Re: [WSG] CSS3.0

Too late, it's already in there: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-css3-background-20050216/#the-background-image Most of the modules are at working draft stage, see the lot here: http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work Andrew. http://leftjustified.net/ On We

Re: [WSG] Other character sets/languages

Hi John, Unicode is today the most foolproof way of sending internationalized characters to modern browsers. I use Unired for the purpose: http://www.esperanto.mv.ru/UniRed/ENG/ It's free and it works fine to boot. You should be able to copy/paste into your HTML from Word, PDF and anything that

[WSG] Summaries in blockquotes and the cite attribute

I'm designing some pages that contain summaries that precede the content. I want to mark these up with and fill the cite attribute with the URI of the same page. Is this a fair use of , or am I abusing the markup as a summary is not exactly a quote? And what about having a self-referential ci

Re: [WSG] Summaries in blockquotes and the cite attribute

G'day I'm designing some pages that contain summaries that precede the content. I want to mark these up with and fill the cite attribute with the URI of the same page. Is this a fair use of , or am I abusing the markup as a summary is not exactly a quote? And what about having a self-referentia

Re: [WSG] " or " in copy?

On 17 feb 2005, at 03.14, David R wrote: I mean, provided you send the document from the server as unicode, why must we resort to entities for non-reserved characters? You don't. If you use unicode, you don't have to use character references. /Roger **

Re: [WSG] Around We Go

On 16 feb 2005, at 21.33, Chris Kennon wrote: This example of rounded corners (http://kalsey.com/2003/07/rounded_corners_in_css/), is elegant and efficient, but 2 years old. I've "googled" til blurry eyed, but have only found contemporary examples with 8 nested divs and other nightmares. W