Re: [WSG] document.getElementById slow?

Hi, Also consider that accessing the element directly also leads to less-maintainable code, as a change in the DOM (presentation) might requre you to change the javascript code ( behaviour ). In my humble opinion, you should use getElementById as the loss of performance is greatly compensated by m

RE: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

The argument that providing reasonable access for blind/vision-impaired visitors/customers implies an equal need to provide translations into every language on the planet is a straw man. Last time I looked, the inability to speak English was not a disability (in any legal sense) although it's cert

Re: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

Hi I hope this thread isn't closed. I have never worked on large retail sites as I tend to work on non-profit and government sites, but if the problem has to do with alt tags then I have very little sympathy for Target as this seems like a minor thing. A person with a disability expends at

[WSG] Cost of Accessibility and WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

This conversation has been very interesting to follow these past few days. There are two topics that have not surfaced in the posts I've read. 1. The commercial sector does not take accessibility (on the web) seriously. My team works with many large clients globally in the web space, both govern

Re: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

> That's not what Target are saying. It's like a deaf person comes > into their store and requests for assistance but no one speaks the > sign language and he can't lip read. Is it discrimination not to > have a sign-speaking person in your store just in case a deaf personcomes in? You analogy is

Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

Christie Mason wrote: I think you'd better check your history books. Changes in culture occurred first, creating an environment for the laws to be created - for better or worse. Odd that you chose examples involving a king and a dictator, not the best examples of the body politic. Tell me w

RE: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

Ok everybody...welcome to the *Web Standards Group* mailing list, where we discuss *Web Standards*. For discussions on history, sociology, politics, law, morals, capitalism, communism, etc, I'm sure there are other places... For those who don't think the DDA and ADA should apply in certain situ

RE: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

On Oct 5, 2007, at 3:15 AM, Christie Mason wrote: There are many ways to change a culture, but legislating is not one of them. I'm sorry, but I can't let that blatantly false statement go unchallenged. History is full of examples of changes for the better and for the worse brought about thro

Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

On 10/5/07, Christie Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you implying that shopping is a luxury? As horrible as you may find > it, shopping is actually necessary for human survival in a capitalist > society. It's the only way we can acquire goods. > > = > Good point, I'm going to chew on tha

Re: [WSG] document.getElementById slow?

As others have said before, direct access will be always be faster than the getElementById(), assuming that you are actually getting direct access (which I'm not 100% sure about). However, I would say the difference in the speed for most pages would be almost unnoticeable, probably only a coupl

Re: [WSG] document.getElementById slow?

Hi Simon, Direct access will always be faster, here's how the methods work: getElementById has to recurse through every child element (the approach of the recursion may vary from browser-to-browser) until it finds an element that matches the id and then it breaks out of the loop and returns the e

RE: [WSG] document.getElementById slow?

> So which is faster? > > document.forms.myform.elements.field1 > > or > > document.getElementById(field1) Hi Simon, First of all thanks for breaking the Target thread ;-) I haven't looked at the code of the Rhino javascript engine, but what your friend says makes sense. The browser creates

[WSG] document.getElementById slow?

Hi, http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Using_Web_Standards_in_your_Web_Pages states: "The best and most supported practice for getting scriptable access to an element in an HTML page is to use document.getElementById(id). " A colleague of mine reckons such access will be much slower than acces

Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

On Oct 5, 2007, at 4:57 AM, Michael MD wrote: If a company shuts down their website because they are being sued does that make it more accessable? Examples of this happening? Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandar

Re: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

What is baffling about Target's position here is that while on the question of the web site they behave like ignorant trolls, meanwhile they managed to really break ground in usability with their prescription delivery system -

Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

On Oct 5, 2007, at 3:15 AM, Christie Mason wrote: There are many ways to change a culture, but legislating is not one of them. I'm sorry, but I can't let that blatantly false statement go unchallenged. History is full of examples of changes for the better and for the worse brought about

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Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

Michael MD wrote: Are you implying that shopping is a luxury? As horrible as you may find it, shopping is actually necessary for human survival in a capitalist society. It's the only way we can acquire goods. Target is not the only place where people can go shopping ... OK, so one website pe

Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

On 5 Oct 2007, at 10:03, Geoff Pack wrote: Tony Crockford wrote: we don't have "finders-keepers" and "it's mine, I saw it first" or "give it to me or I'll pull your hair" as social rules outside the playground (and I suspect our educators are doing their best to change those rules too...) W

RE: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

Tony Crockford wrote: > we don't have "finders-keepers" and "it's mine, I saw it first" > or "give it to me or I'll pull your hair" as social rules outside > the playground (and I suspect our educators are doing their best > to change those rules too...) Well, actually we do. What do you thi

Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

Are you implying that shopping is a luxury? As horrible as you may find it, shopping is actually necessary for human survival in a capitalist society. It's the only way we can acquire goods. Target is not the only place where people can go shopping ... I think everyone here at least agrees

RE: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

Christie Mason wrote: > I can't believe I'm even talking about rights > and shopping in the same sentence. Barney Are you implying that shopping is a luxury? As horrible as you may find it, shopping is actually necessary for human survival in a capitalist society. It's the only way we can acquir

Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

Christie Mason wrote: I can't believe I'm even talking about rights and shopping in the same sentence. Are you implying that shopping is a luxury? As horrible as you may find it, shopping is actually necessary for human survival in a capitalist society. It's the only way we can acquire goods.

Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

On 5 Oct 2007, at 08:15, Christie Mason wrote: There are many ways to change a culture, but legislating is not one of them. what you appear to be missing is that when all other attempts fail, legislation and enforcement of legislation is the only socially acceptable way left. Target

RE: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

From: Ortenzi No but you DO have an escalator at your local shopping mall because not everyone finds the climb up the stairs easy. Or should we remove the escalators and elevators from shopping malls too because they CHOSE to go to that shopping mall didn't they? Escalators and elevators

RE: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

To boil it down. No one has a "right to shop" online that is greater than their "right to shop" at a physical store. I can't believe I'm even talking about rights and shopping in the same sentence. Law is about interpretations of definitions such as "reasonable", "discrimination", "public" etc.

Re: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

>Target are saying "If you are blind, you are worthless. We only take >money from people who aren't like you." In a physical environment the >equivalent would be turning them away at the door. Would you tolerate >that if it was based on gender, religion or race?" That's not what Target are saying

Re: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

Well the first round has been decided a couple of days ago: http://www.nfb.org/nfb/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=221 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071003/wr_nm/target_blind_dc_4 the DDA does apply to websites let more legal battles begin

Re: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

>Target are saying "If you are blind, you are worthless. We only take >money from people who aren't like you." In a physical environment the >equivalent would be turning them away at the door. Would you tolerate >that if it was based on gender, religion or race?" That's not what Target are saying

Re: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

>Target are saying "If you are blind, you are worthless. We only take >money from people who aren't like you." In a physical environment the >equivalent would be turning them away at the door. Would you tolerate >that if it was based on gender, religion or race?" That's not what Target are saying