Re: [WSG] inserting text in to IE8

Robin Gorry wrote: Hi all. My problem isn't strictly standards but more JavaScript compatibility between IE versions. In IE6, 7 I can insert text on a range (either on highlighted text or where the cursor is placed) using pasteHTML(). In IE8 I can only pasteHTML() when text is highlight

[WSG] Starting with HTML and CSS

Gday WSGers! I am lucky enough to be a tutor for a web course at the local uni, and I love to point students towards Starting with HTML + CSS http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/011/firstcss However, it uses absolute positioning. I would like to use a *huge* favour. Anyone want to write a simp

Re: [WSG] Learning Javascript properly

Simon wrote: Hi all, I really want to get stuck in and learn Javascript properly, and by this I mean not filling my page with onclick and sending hrefs to #. But instead abstracting it all into the .js file and keeping my markup clean. I've followed the book by Jeremy Keith called DOM Scripting

Re: [WSG] * { display: inline; }

dwain wrote: ie does not recognize the "*". dwain IE 7 does, and it doesn't answer the question in relation to the other browsers. What is going on? Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm U

[WSG] * { display: inline; }

Gday all, This morning I was creatively thinking different things and playing around (as you do). I was wondering what would happen if I did a mass reset using the asterisk to make everything inline to begin with? So in the header of my document, I included * { display: inline; }

Re: [WSG] hello

kevin mcmonagle wrote: yes its a buzzword mostly but from a design standpoint its also a genre. That's an interesting thought. Is Web 2.0 larger than the web itself? Has it become an art movement/period, in the same way as Modernism, Post-Modernism, Humanism, Impressionism, etc? Kat *

Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy

Thomas Thomassen wrote: You don't have to modify every single HTML you publish. You can set the HTTP header for HTML files on your server and off you go. Don't forget the nasty gotcha: save that page on your own computer, load it back up and suddenly it looks different (as the browser doesn't

Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy

Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Karl Lurman wrote: I think the thing to remember here is that, over time, the older browsers will be phased out. Jokes aside. As the older browsers FINALLY become less important, YEARS from now, they can eliminate the meta-tag altogether. But the crappy intranet sit

Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy

What's so wrong with adding a tag that says "use IE8"? Standards are a type of contract creating abstraction. If you develop to standards, you don't need to know, nor should you, what browser or version they are running. This tag breaks that abstraction. It's white box rather than blac

[WSG] how to set table column widths with CSS

Gday, Can someone please remind me how to set the width on a simple table column without suffering classitis? Doctype: HTML4.01 strict. Must validate. Thanks! Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelin

Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

Christie Mason wrote: Katrina Replies - Christie responds - My soul cringed when I read "legislating against very bad manners" It can't be done, it shouldn't be attempted. Think about it: what is vandalism if not bad manners? Vandalism is unauthorized marking of pro

Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

Christie Mason wrote: If Target doesn't "get" how their methods are costing them sales, negatively impacting their brand, and increasing their web support costs; then should they be legislated into more profitable methods? Gday Christie, It's not about the cost nor the profitability. It's ab

Re: [WSG] I need to ask a non-web design question from Aussie

Tee G. Peng wrote: Hello Australians , I am so so so sorry I have to post this to ask you kindly write me offlist so that I can ask the question - (without 'but') this is the only list I know full of Aussie that can give me the information I needed. It is a non-web web standards no web design

Re: [WSG] Recommended screen size

Andrew Maben wrote: On Jun 1, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Or, quit thinking like a print designer. Embrace the variability that is a browser viewport. Size relatively, which can work for 200x400 and all the way up as high as high gets. With respect, I think this is a rather over si

Re: [WSG] Mobiles and standards

Nick Cowie wrote: Katrina I would serve XHTML and stick to XHTML-Basic or XHTML-MP subset of features. Gday Nick, Thank you for your response : Which accompanying mime type would you choose for XHTML-Basic? text/xml application/xhtml + xml application/xml Note: XHTML-MP has it&#

[WSG] Mobiles and standards

Gday, What mark-up is best used for mobile devices? And why? W3C standards (HTML4 or XHTML 1.0) or other (XHTML-Basic, XHTML-MP, WML, HDML) ? Do the 'other' count as standards? Can mobile devices process CSS 2.1 or less when served as media="handheld"? (I am coming across some references t

Re: FW: RE: Re: [WSG] Accessible Photoshop and flash

Subject: FW: Re: [WSG] Accessible Photoshop and flash > Flash is currently not accessible to Jaws or any screen readers although there are methods for only sending it to the people who can use it. Rob As far as I understood, the latest version of Adobe Flash *is* accessible to

Re: [WSG] dl v table for form layout

Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote: Katrina wrote: I note that in Mike's example, he using a in order to achieve a block-level style visual. Surely that should be avoidable? http://green-beast.com/gbcf/gbcf_form.php Certainly it would be avoidable using "label { display : block; }"

Re: [WSG] dl v table for form layout

Terrence Wood wrote: On 27/05/2007, at 7:58 PM, Katrina wrote: My point being that fieldset could be used to wrap label and input pairs? No. is to group related controls, not labels and controls. From http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/interact/forms.html#h-17.10 "The FIELDSET el

Re: [WSG] dl v table for form layout

Nick Fitzsimons wrote: While I agree that use of lists, tables or definition lists is mere abuse, a fieldset is for grouping "thematically related controls and labels": So a hypothetical (semantic!) form could/should look somethin

Re: [WSG] making form elements the same height

Taco Fleur wrote: Hi all, I have a question I hope one of you might be able to answer. http://www.clickfind.com.au/test-index.html I am trying to get the form elements the same height, I would expect that the following would do the trick; That certainly got me! I'm sorry I can't add much

Re: [WSG] Converting font size from pt to % or em

Sagnik Dey wrote: Hi Guys, I'm developing a website that have some standards defined. The font size specified is 9pt. But due to accessibility standards I wanted to convert that in % or em. Can anybody tell what do i need to use to view the same size in different browsers? Gday Sagnik, I t

Re: [WSG] Australian University webpage reviews and WANAU membership

Tim wrote: I have responded to Tim off-list as I consider this to be off topic for WSG. Anyone interested in my response can email me and I will send it to you. Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidel

Re: [WSG] Australian University webpage reviews and WANAU membership

Tim wrote: For some reason my membership of WANAU has been lost, ignored or denied by the WANAU moderator. I get the impression that WANAU is a university thing, and perhaps membership is restricted to university people (staff and students, etc). You should take that up with WANAU themselves

[WSG] The use of web standards (tables vs CSS)

Gday, Does anyone know of any research done at any time covering the use of web standards? John Allsopp showed some research at Web Essentials in 2005. What I am specifically looking for is the use of CSS for advanced layout versus tables. Anyone know of anything? Kat **

Re: [WSG] Acronym tag usage

Oh, and I'd vote for just the first instance on each page - as others have suggested. I've been thinking about this, and I think that each time the abbreviation is mentioned it should be marked up. That is the only way to get across your specialised aural styles. Unless screen-readers have

[WSG] [potentially OT] HTML History

Gday all, I'm reading a paper from 1999: Lie, Håkon Wium., 1999, Multipurpose Web Publishing Using HTML, XML and CSS, Communications of the ACM, vol 42. no 10, p95 and have come across a paragraph that hints at conflicting ideology early in the web's history and HTML specifications. The pa

Re: [WSG] Valid and well-formed

But since the definition of valid includes well-formed, well-formed documents should not validate. Blame it on being Friday night! I meant: mal-formed documents should not validate. Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstand

Re: [WSG] Valid and well-formed

Does the W3C validation mention well-formedness? No. But since the definition of valid includes well-formed, well-formed documents should not validate. Please do not quote Wikipedia, when the W3C sets authoritative documentation. The point with the Wikipedia was to show that it wasn't j

[WSG] Valid and well-formed

Gday all, I've been pondering this for a few days and I was wondering what other people's take on this is: David Hammond suggests that validity is not well-formedness, in that a document can be well-formed and not valid, but could also be !!! valid and not well-formed. http://www.webdevout

Re: [WSG] Accessible Forms - empty labels (??)

Bojana Lalic wrote: Hi all Accverify fails my code because my input element does not contain the alt attribute or label. I don't want any text displayed before or after the query text input element. Should I wrap a label around the input element and then hide it using css? How do I get aro

Re: [WSG] WANAU - anyone heard of them?

Tim wrote: Who are this group, what have they done in previous forums since 2004. I can only add that as a university student of South Australia, I enrolled in and enjoyed Denise Wood's Accessible Interactive Media where all sorts of accessibility was included (eg. captions on video clips fo

Re: [WSG] Client Side Development Process

Lee Powell wrote: Hi all I wonder if anyone can offer some advice. I've recently landed a new development position within a very credible digital agency as part of their client side development team. One of our things to do is develop a rock solid development process we work through for ever

[WSG] Validating HTML output for XSLT

Gday, If we create HTML/XHTML output through XSLT, is there anyway we can check the quality of that output? My check local HTML in the Firefox Web Developer Toolbar doesn't work :( It looks alright in the DOM Inspector. Is that the best available currently? Kat *

Re: [WSG] Recommendations for books to take one to the next level

russ - maxdesign wrote: Whatever you do, avoid "CSS in 10 minutes". The author was obviously a drunken bum who knows nothing. Plus I have heard rumours there will be a CSS in 9 minutes coming out, so why waste that extra minute! Then shouldn't we wait for the instant-mix CSS then? Just add the

Re: [WSG] Recommendations for books to take one to the next level

Mordechai Peller wrote: Some books which I've had my eye on include: - Building Accessible Websites by** Joe Clark I'd say avoid this one. The author had a technical editor, but needed a general editor that could stand toe-to-toe and command the author to remove a few offending pieces (

Re: [WSG] Talking about tabular data...

Thierry Koblentz wrote: Katrina wrote: Forget about how it should be marked up or presented, the "issue" is about *defining* what tabular data is. What's your definition of tabular data? Data that is separated by a tab character (such as tsv files etc). I don't think th

Re: [WSG] web accessibility-some thoughts

Bob Schwartz wrote: First a disclaimer: heheheh I had to have my rant off-list before I could respond !:) How and why did the web get singled out from among all of the other "publishing" mediums to be "by law" accessible? It hasn't. Why aren't book, magazine, and newspaper publisher

Re: [WSG] XML schemas and targetnamespace

Katrina wrote: For anyone who's interested: Asking around: targetnamespace is just a name, that's it. It does not act as a link nor as a source that the parser should follow. The parser just checks that the XML schema that the XML document cites is matching and correct. In t

Re: [WSG] Talking about tabular data...

Thierry Koblentz wrote: Paul Novitski wrote: At 3/6/2007 05:51 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: President..John Smith Vice-president.Janet Jones In other words, the items in the two columns line up horizontally, and the cell

[WSG] XML schemas and targetnamespace

Thank you in advance for this question, I know it's probably stretching what WSG is here for. What does targetnamespace do? Is it setting a default namespace for that schema? Take for instance this example: http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-0/#po1.xsd http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema";

Re: [WSG] Talking about tabular data...

David Pietersen wrote: Sorry if this has already come up... but have you seen these? http://www.lenef.com/dotleader/ http://home.tampabay.rr.com/bmerkey/examples/dot-leaders.html I would suggest that the last one was an example of *table* of contents. John Faulds said: "I tend to think

Re: [WSG] Web Standards Shetland Ponies

Some people write as if there were a club, a them and us, people who get it and people who don't, and never the twain shall meet. My original post was not meant to seperate 'standardistas' from the rest of the industry. It's just that I thought Standards Were the Way Things Were Done by

Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?

Sorry for the sarcasm but I dream of a lecturer covering things like accessibility, especially with decent books and knowledgeable and interested tutors :-P Well, one of my minors at Uni SA has a subject/course of Accesible Interactive Multimedia, so your dream is my reality :) Thanks for

Re: [WSG] CSS and PHP

designer wrote: H All, I've been having a little bother with validation of my PHP generated pages. I'm new to PHP/mySQL and I'm finding that some peculiar things happen, such as and appear in the middle of the code. (???) Also, I find that submitting a URL such as: $myurl="testdate.php?h

Re: [WSG] Chinese food and web standards

Katrina wrote: I'm sorry, I totally didn't mean to send that to the list. Kat ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **

Re: [WSG] Chinese food and web standards

Craig Rippon wrote: Kay, thanks. I am a web development student at college and this point came up in a lecture, just curious to get opinions. Cheers Craig R. Gday, I am a uni student at University of South Australia. May I ask you which college/uni teaches web development? Kat ***

Re: [WSG] Top Ten Web Design Mistakes - yeah, right!

If I went and asked my mom "what is the biggest usability issue" would she respond "Oh, Andreas, I hate those javascript popup windows when I click links. They are sooo non-standard and really confusing." CRAP! Of course she won't, because it doesn't bother her as much. It's interesting tha

[WSG] WE05

Gday, I was lucky enough to be able to attend WE05, and I was listening to something Tantek Celik said and I've been mulling it over for a few days, and I just thought I'd ask a group who'd know. Context: I'm a uni student, so I don't know much. Going back to Tantek Celik, he was referring t