Re: [WSG] CSS editors

2008-10-20 Thread Johan Douma
I'm still using Dreamweaver mainly. Textmate (http://macromates.com/) for anything else, especially if I don't want to wait for Dw to open. I have coda as well (http://www.panic.com/coda/), but it is damn slow on my old mac, I don't know how it is on newer G5/Intel machines. If it wasn't that slow

RE: [WSG] CSS editors

2008-10-20 Thread Thierry Koblentz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gicela Morales Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 2:51 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] CSS editors Hi Everyone, I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook  :-) but was wondering about the best xhtml/css editors

Re: [WSG] CSS editors

2008-10-20 Thread Rob Enslin
Don't know about 'best' but I use Dreamweaver. Rob 2008/10/20 Gicela Morales [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone, I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook :-) but was wondering about the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend? I can see that BBEdit is still around (

Re: [WSG] CSS editors

2008-10-20 Thread Prisca schmarsow
Gicela, yes - CSS Edit is fantastic :) you'll love it :-) My other favourite is Coda - http://www.panic.com/coda/ you might also like to try Smultron which is open source: http://tuppis.com/smultron/ happy coding ;) Prisca On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Gicela Morales [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] CSS editors

2008-10-20 Thread Gregory Alan Gross
Prisca-- Like Gicela, I too am new to Macs. I'm using Smultron and like it a great deal. How does it compare with CSS Edit and Coda? .greg These are the days of miracle and wonder. On Mon 20/10/08 03:00 , Prisca schmarsow [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Gicela, yes - CSS Edit is fantastic :)

Re: [WSG] CSS editors

2008-10-20 Thread Nick Tomczek
Prisca, I have a graphic designer that swears by CSS Edit for all of his CSS modifications. On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Gregory Alan Gross [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Prisca-- Like Gicela, I too am new to Macs. I'm using Smultron and like it a great deal. How does it compare with CSS

[WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

2008-10-20 Thread Christian Montoya
Hello list, I am currently investigating the disparities between various screen fonts and trying to come up with good font stacks that I can use in Blueprint CSS [1]. I found this page: http://www.w3schools.com/CSS/pr_font_font-size-adjust.asp which explains how Verdana and Times, for example,

Re: [WSG] CSS editors

2008-10-20 Thread Prisca schmarsow
Greg, how do they compare... that really depends on what you need your code editor to do ;) You've got to give Smultron credit for being such a good editor, syntax highlighting etc - and being open source. So as an editor - if this is all you need - it's perfect. If, like me, you work a

Re: [WSG] CSS editors

2008-10-20 Thread Prisca schmarsow
Nick, yes, CSS Edit is fantastic ;) for my students, entirely new to webdesign as well as coding (I am teaching webdesign, the web standard's way - and full on handcoding) - CSS Edit is proving a great help :) The fact that we can go and not only take a closer look at any given site's CSS - but

Re: [WSG] CSS editors

2008-10-20 Thread tee
On Oct 20, 2008, at 3:42 AM, Gicela Morales wrote: Thanks everyone. I like the idea of TextMate and TextWrangler! Gicela :-) 2008/10/20 James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have both BBEdit and TextMate. I use TextMate alot because it's a nice and simple text editor. Project creation is

Re: [WSG] CSS editors

2008-10-20 Thread info
Quoting tee [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Oct 20, 2008, at 3:42 AM, Gicela Morales wrote: Thanks everyone. I like the idea of TextMate and TextWrangler! Gicela :-) 2008/10/20 James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have both BBEdit and TextMate. I use TextMate alot because it's a nice and simple text

Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

2008-10-20 Thread Mathew Robertson
Just to throw this in the mix - stop trying to control the font size! I dont require reading glasses (yet...), but due to weak eyesight for small fonts and high-resolution screens causing poor font scaling, I choose to increase the size of the default values for some fonts eg: I setup fonts to

Re: [WSG] CSS editors

2008-10-20 Thread Hassan Schroeder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to save money and have an all round free open source editor that does CSS, PHP, javascript, and other major languages I would suggest notepad++. Ignoring the fact that the OP requested a Mac -- not Windows-only -- solution :-) So I'll mention jEdit

Re: [WSG] CSS editors

2008-10-20 Thread Nick Tomczek
I use Aptana for all of my web development (XHTML/CSS/Rails/PHP). It was just purchased by another company, but they do offer a community version for free (Pro version for $99). (Link: http://www.aptana.com/studio/). They do have a Mac version, although I've never used it, I'm a PC guy, but it's

Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

2008-10-20 Thread jp29
I am sure most experienced Web authors know this, but some newer ones might not. A quick and handy way to incrementally zoom and/or change text size when viewing a web page is via keyboard shortcuts (Windows O/S): Here is an expanded and updated compilation for zooming and/or changing text

Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

2008-10-20 Thread Christian Montoya
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure most experienced Web authors know this, but some newer ones might not. A quick and handy way to incrementally zoom and/or change text size when viewing a web page is via keyboard shortcuts (Windows O/S): Could someone

Re: [WSG] CSS editors

2008-10-20 Thread jp29
I use HTML-Kit which is free Web page Editing/Authoring facility that provides the following features: * Multiple File type editing: .html, .xml, .css, .rdf, .php, .js etc. * Can be used for hand coding ala MS Notepad * Pre-formed constructs, elements attributes can be used via drop-down

Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

2008-10-20 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Christian Montoya wrote: Could someone please read the body of my email instead of just looking at the title and then post a response that is on-topic? OK :-) CSS2's 'font-size-adjust' support is limited to Gecko/Fx IIRC, and is probably put on hold by the W3C CSS group for the time being -

Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

2008-10-20 Thread jp29
Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure most experienced Web authors know this, but some newer ones might not. A quick and handy way to incrementally zoom and/or change text size when viewing a web page is via

Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

2008-10-20 Thread David Hucklesby
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:36:26 -0400, Christian Montoya wrote: - What's the support across browsers / machines for the font-size-adjust property? - Is adjusting the aspect value bad form? Is this as bad as letter-spacing body copy? Would this kill sheep? - Has anyone done this before? Is

Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

2008-10-20 Thread Christian Montoya
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:41 PM, David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:36:26 -0400, Christian Montoya wrote: - What's the support across browsers / machines for the font-size-adjust property? - Is adjusting the aspect value bad form? Is this as bad as letter-spacing

Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

2008-10-20 Thread Christian Montoya
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure most experienced Web authors know this, but some newer ones might not. A quick and handy way to incrementally zoom and/or change text size when viewing a web page is via keyboard shortcuts (Windows O/S): Could someone

Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

2008-10-20 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Christian Montoya wrote: Could someone please read the body of my email instead of just looking at the title and then post a response that is on-topic? OK :-) CSS2's 'font-size-adjust' support is limited to Gecko/Fx IIRC, and is probably put on hold by the W3C CSS group for the time being -

Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

2008-10-20 Thread jp29
Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure most experienced Web authors know this, but some newer ones might not. A quick and handy way to incrementally zoom and/or change text size when viewing a web page is via

Re: [WSG] CSS editors

2008-10-20 Thread jp29
I use HTML-Kit which is free Web page Editing/Authoring facility that provides the following features: * Multiple File type editing: .html, .xml, .css, .rdf, .php, .js etc. * Can be used for hand coding ala MS Notepad * Pre-formed constructs, elements attributes can be used via drop-down

[WSG] Css validation

2008-06-25 Thread Fuji kusaka
Hi anyone can help me out with validating my css?... I cant pass validation because of some css hacks i used. Is there a way to hide those hacks when i validate it? -- Fuji kusaka *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Css validation

2008-06-25 Thread sundar
Hi Fuji - Not sure what type of hacks you have used in, presumably thinking some of these types like _ and * for IE versions. Those _ * will show errors when you validate, better option to use conditional comments Sundar On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Fuji kusaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [WSG] Css validation

2008-06-25 Thread William Donovan
I would say plug your code directly into the W3C CSS validator http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/#validate_by_input and delete the hacks. However i have used hacks before and found that they did still pass through the validator. Could there be errors in your hacks. Also, just as a note,

Re: [WSG] Css validation

2008-06-25 Thread Fuji kusaka
Ive use #min-height:300px !important; *html #mainContent{ behavior: url(iepngfix.htc) !important; but cant get those validation.. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:06 AM, sundar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Fuji - Not sure what type of hacks you have used in, presumably thinking some of

Re: [WSG] Css validation

2008-06-25 Thread Luke Hoggett
hi, not sure what's going on in your CSS exactly. but behavior is non-standard, it's a microsoft thing. with that png fix I don't think you'll ever get it to validate but I could be wrong. what's the hash (#) in front of min-height, is min-height an id? and which element or selector is it

Re: [WSG] Css validation

2008-06-25 Thread Mordechai Peller
Fuji kusaka wrote: #min-height:300px !important; This should be: SomeSelector {min-height:300px !important;} What SomeSelector is, some selector. *html #mainContent{ You need a space between * and html behavior: url(iepngfix.htc) !important; This will never validated because it's IE only.

Re: [WSG] Css validation

2008-06-25 Thread Dave Lane
I'm assuming most of the hacks are for IE? Why not just conditionally include them, i.e. unless the validator obeys IE policies, it won't even see the IE-specifi CSS. Dave Fuji kusaka wrote: Hi anyone can help me out with validating my css?... I cant pass validation because of some css

Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-12 Thread Korny Sietsma
Hmm - we're currently debating what to do about dynamic css on our project (Ruby on Rails based) There seem to be a few options: - No dynamic css at all - Simple templated stuff, where the code is basically css + inline ruby: #whatever { background-color : %= background_colour %; } - Something

Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-12 Thread Mark Harris
Korny Sietsma wrote: I'd be interested in the thoughts of folks here. A simple template would have the advantage of (possibly) working well in css editors and tools; but there also seems to be some buzz around tools like Sass that take some more repetition out of the CSS. Is SASS a standard?

Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-12 Thread Adam Martin
this is exactly why we use serverside scripts along with a config file to define some base declarations such as colors. then we can change the color in one place only, using the below example #results .fn { font-size: 0.86em; color #739EA8; } #results .tel { font-size: 0.86em; color #33; }

RE: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-09 Thread Thierry Koblentz
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Martin Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:13 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting :: We use a very similar approach - php to deliver the css. This allows us

Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-08 Thread David Hucklesby
On Tue, 6 May 2008 19:19:24 +0530, Amrinder wrote: I was reading this article on Smashing Magazine which shows how to increase code readability, http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/05/02/improving-code-readability-with-css- styleguides/ but I have listened to Andy Clarke over Lynda.com

[WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-06 Thread Amrinder
Hi, I was reading this article on Smashing Magazine which shows how to increase code readability, http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/05/02/improving-code-readability-with-css-styleguides/ but I have listened to Andy Clarke over Lynda.com saying that one should save the white space as it

Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-06 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Amrinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which approach is better? Should we go for code readability as described by Smashing Magazine or follow what Andy said. Why not do both? Use a coding style that suits you, then compress it for live deployment. -- - Matthew

Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-06 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Amrinder wrote: I was reading this article on Smashing Magazine which shows how to increase code readability but I have listened to Andy Clarke ... saying that one should save the white space as it increases the file size. Which approach is better? Should we go for code readability as

Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-06 Thread Ross Bruniges
) A best of both worlds approach ;- - Original Message From: Amrinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WebStandards Discussion Lish wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, 6 May, 2008 2:49:24 PM Subject: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting :: Which approach is better? Should we go for code readability

RE: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting ::

2008-05-06 Thread Ted Drake
performance tips. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Bruniges Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:31 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] :: CSS Code Formatting :: Ultimately you want to use one version during your development process (to ensure

[WSG] CSS Image issue with buttons

2007-12-16 Thread Michael Horowitz
Adding to my issues I put a image on the server that I want to show up on my buttons but it isn't appearing. Here is how I added the CSS for that The image is definitely therehttp://theatomicconservative.typepad.com/images/atom.gif /*define look of buttons*/ ul a{ display:block; width: 98%;

Re: [WSG] CSS Image issue with buttons

2007-12-16 Thread krugonN
On Dec 16, 2007 9:21 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding to my issues I put a image on the server that I want to show up on my buttons but it isn't appearing. Here is how I added the CSS for that The image is definitely

Re: [WSG] CSS Image issue with buttons

2007-12-16 Thread Adam Martin
where in the folder structure is the css file? On Dec 17, 2007 10:44 AM, krugonN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 16, 2007 9:21 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding to my issues I put a image on the server that I want to show up on my buttons but it isn't appearing. Here

Re: [WSG] CSS Image issue with buttons

2007-12-16 Thread Adam Martin
try url(../images/atom.gif) On Dec 17, 2007 10:44 AM, krugonN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 16, 2007 9:21 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding to my issues I put a image on the server that I want to show up on my buttons but it isn't appearing. Here is how I added the

Re: [WSG] CSS Image issue with buttons

2007-12-16 Thread krugonN
On Dec 16, 2007 9:54 PM, Adam Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: where in the folder structure is the css file? On Dec 17, 2007 10:44 AM, krugonN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 16, 2007 9:21 PM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding to my issues I put a image on the server

Re: [WSG] CSS Image issue with buttons

2007-12-16 Thread Michael Horowitz
That was a stupid mistake but when corrected I still have the issue. I also should at least have had the hover working when I make that mistake and it didn't show either /*define look of buttons*/ ul a{ display:block; width: 98%; line-height:1.4em; background:#1c1c1b url(images/atom.gif)

Re: [WSG] CSS Image issue with buttons

2007-12-16 Thread Michael Horowitz
Solved it I had to use /images not images Strange that it is so specific. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Adam Martin wrote: try url(../images/atom.gif) On Dec 17, 2007 10:44 AM, krugonN [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] CSS Image issue with buttons

2007-12-16 Thread Adam Martin
As I said you need to change to background:#1c1c1b url(../images/atom.gif) no-repeat left bottom; note the ../ On Dec 17, 2007 11:31 AM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was a stupid mistake but when corrected I still have the issue. I also should at least have had the hover

Re: [WSG] css issues

2007-12-14 Thread Michael Horowitz
Just a note I am having to modify the existing css by redefining the established elements. I do see they use the alpha-inner name multiple times to define inner areas of different divs Here is how I see the xhtml div id=pagebody div id=pagebody-inner class=pkg

Re: [WSG] css issues

2007-12-14 Thread Michael Horowitz
Figured it out. You can ignore this question. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Michael Horowitz wrote: I am wondering if there is an issue in how I am redefining .module-content { margin: 5px 0 20px 0; color: #FF;

Re: [WSG] css issues

2007-12-14 Thread Michael Horowitz
I am wondering if there is an issue in how I am redefining .module-content { margin: 5px 0 20px 0; color: #FF; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: medium; line-height: 150%; text-align: left;

Re: [WSG] css issues

2007-12-14 Thread Tony Crockford
On 14 Dec 2007, at 17:32, Michael Horowitz wrote: I am wondering if there is an issue in how I am redefining .module-content { margin: 5px 0 20px 0; color: #FF; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: medium; line-height: 150%;

Re: [WSG] css issues

2007-12-14 Thread Tony Crockford
On 14 Dec 2007, at 18:06, Michael Horowitz wrote: Figured it out. You can ignore this question. no fair! you're supposed to tell us what it was! ;) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm

Re: [WSG] css issues

2007-12-14 Thread Michael Horowitz
What confused me is that alpha-inner is defined in multiple areas. I needed to modify .layout-moblog1 #alpha-inner. Not really sure why they define alpha-inner under different areas on css. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Tony

[WSG] css issues

2007-12-13 Thread Michael Horowitz
I would like to have my buttons go to the end of the blue box on the left and the right but when I try and expand it I lose the text centering. I'm sure I am reading something wrong in CSS when I do this. What would be the best way to do this. http://theatomicconservative.typepad.com--

[WSG] CSS/Accessibility question

2007-11-01 Thread Likely, James A.
Hello, I am pretty new to this group but have been seeing all of the useful emails that have been sent over the past month and thought I would try my luck. I am working on a feature story box. I am trying to develop this using web standards but since this is fairly new to me, I thought that I

Re: [WSG] CSS/Accessibility question

2007-11-01 Thread Dave Woods
Hi James, I'd always create a site and content so that it initially works and all the content can be reached using just HTML. It certainly won't look all that pretty but by making sure that everything works fine before you add CSS or JavaScript then you're ensuring that the site will be usable

[WSG] CSS help

2007-11-01 Thread Rob Enslin
Dear Group, I'm a relative newby to web design so please excuse me if this question is simple. The problem: I don't have (or know how to have) a structured system of building my style sheets. I find I keep just adding to the file until problems in my output display start to develop. They very

RE: [WSG] CSS help

2007-11-01 Thread Likely, James A.
-web.com/articles/architecting_css/ http://www.mezzoblue.com/css/cribsheet/ I hope this helps. James -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Enslin Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 12:35 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] CSS help

Re: [WSG] CSS help

2007-11-01 Thread Bruce
- From: Rob Enslin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:34 PM Subject: [WSG] CSS help Dear Group, I'm a relative newby to web design so please excuse me if this question is simple. The problem: I don't have (or know how to have

Re: [WSG] CSS help

2007-11-01 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rob Enslin wrote: Is there a way, a logical procedure or rule which I should adopt to prevent me from going forwards and backwards and constantly patching it up? A few: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=MaintainableCss regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no

Re: [WSG] CSS help correction

2007-11-01 Thread Bruce
: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS help For some time now I have used the below as a foundation. Adding inner classes to the main areas is best. #Nav_inner, #content_inner etc I have tested these in 98 operating system/browser combos and they are rock solid: http

Re: [WSG] CSS help

2007-11-01 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hello Rob, I don't have (or know how to have) a structured system of building my style sheets. Maybe this will help? A CSS Starter File http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=109 Cheers. Mike Cherim *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] CSS help

2007-11-01 Thread Rob Enslin
@...James, Bruce, Georg and Mike thanks. Plenty reading tonight - this info should get me going. Cheers, Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?

2007-10-30 Thread Dave Woods
As far as I'm aware, it's not something that Google will automatically ban a site for anyway but if it is being used for black hat tactics then the site is open to being reported by anyone (possibly a competitor) which Google may then do a manual check of and ban the site if they deem the site to

Re: [WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?

2007-10-30 Thread willdonovan
I agree with you Dave, Google is not about to ban you, however if this is used in combination with other known black hat tactics, then you will. Google will check your CSS but once again, if you are using this technique to excess, then you should be worried. There was talk via a different

Re: [WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?

2007-10-30 Thread Michael MD
Google is not about to ban you, however if this is used in combination with other known black hat tactics, then you will. Google will check your CSS but once again, if you are using this technique to excess, then you should be worried. There was talk via a different email thread, and someone

[WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?

2007-10-29 Thread Simon Cockayne
Hi, I am sure I read that CSS's display: none has a detrimental on SEO. Is this true* or did I dream it? *To clarify...I am keen to know if it is true that there is a detrimental impact...not whether it is true that I read it or not. Cheers, Simon

Re: [WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?

2007-10-29 Thread Tony Crockford
On 29 Oct 2007, at 15:46, Simon Cockayne wrote: Hi, I am sure I read that CSS's display: none has a detrimental on SEO. Is this true* or did I dream it? *To clarify...I am keen to know if it is true that there is a detrimental impact...not whether it is true that I read it or not. Google

Re: [WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?

2007-10-29 Thread Tony Crockford
On 29 Oct 2007, at 17:43, James Jeffery wrote: I highly doubt that presentational styles will effect SEO. When you use display:none you are not removing the content from the source, you are just hiding it from users viewing the web page. If you was to remove the element from the source using

Re: [WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?

2007-10-29 Thread Dave Woods
It depends what you're using it for. If it's for black hat search engine tactics which will contain keywords then yes it's bad as it can get you completely banned from Google. If it's for hiding an element of the page which you'll then be displaying using either CSS or JavaScript then it's not

Re: [WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?

2007-10-29 Thread James Jeffery
I highly doubt that presentational styles will effect SEO. When you use display:none you are not removing the content from the source, you are just hiding it from users viewing the web page. If you was to remove the element from the source using DOM that would be different. James On 10/29/07,

Re: [WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?

2007-10-29 Thread James Jeffery
Toney i was speaking in general, i didn't realize he was talking about hiding keywords from visual view but so spiders see them. I though he was on about Would hiding elements, such as replacing navigation text with images, effect search engine spiders and would the see the navigation text. I am

Re: [WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?

2007-10-29 Thread Karl Lurman
In most cases, positioning the element off left of screen is a much better approach than display:none. Accessibility does not mean that all css is ignored, and in this case, display:none will probably be adhered to by a screenreader. If you can absolutely position an element, set it's left

Re: [WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?

2007-10-29 Thread John Faulds
This might prove useful - http://www.seomoz.org/blog/guide-to-hidden-text My understanding is that yes, SEs do view some use of CSS dubiously, but it's also been my understanding that it only applies to inline CSS (not external stylesheets) and as an added safety measure, you can always add

Re: [WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?

2007-10-29 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 30/10/07 (23:52) John said: This might prove useful - http://www.seomoz.org/blog/guide-to-hidden-text My understanding is that yes, SEs do view some use of CSS dubiously, but it's also been my understanding that it only applies to inline CSS (not external stylesheets) and as an added

Re: [WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?

2007-10-29 Thread Jixor - Stephen I
Adding your css directory to your robots.txt would certainly be an assurance, unless search engines started to attach screencaps to search results. I was going to say it would be a great idea for future proofing however now I'm wondering. John Faulds wrote: This might prove useful -

Re: [WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?

2007-10-29 Thread John Faulds
So the question is still open for me, and I'm curious; what is your source of information for thinking that the big G only looks at inline CSS? It was a couple of years ago that I came across articles that suggested this (I can't remember if anyone provided hard evidence to back it up). So

Re: [WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?

2007-10-29 Thread Michael MD
I highly doubt that presentational styles will effect SEO. When you use display:none you are not removing the content from the source, you are just hiding it from users viewing the web page. If you was to remove the element from the source using DOM that would be different. not if you are

Re: [WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?

2007-10-29 Thread Alexander Gounder
Hi everyone, The Fact is that SEOs use this CSS feature (display:none) for cloaking which is a Black Hat SEO technique. Further the whole idea of you showing something(h1-3 tags filled with Keywords) to Google or any Search bot and hiding these from you end user speaks very bad about your

Re: [WSG] CSS Help

2007-10-23 Thread Tim MacKay
Hi There, You just need to put a rule in your style sheet to exempt images from the hover style. This should work as a global rule: #sidebar a img {border: none} Hope this helps. Tim Olajide Olaolorun wrote: Can someone please help me with this small problem i'm having I seem to have

Re: [WSG] CSS Help

2007-10-23 Thread Web King Design
Your image is using the same a:hover properties as the text a:hover. so give the image its own class or id attribute, with no border, so say... .noborder{border:none} then add img class=noborder to the image Ben Olajide Olaolorun wrote: Can someone please help me with this small

Re: [WSG] CSS Help

2007-10-23 Thread Olajide Olaolorun
It doesnt work :( I just tried it now... placed it in the default.css On 10/23/07, Tim MacKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi There, You just need to put a rule in your style sheet to exempt images from the hover style. This should work as a global rule: #sidebar a img {border: none} Hope

Re: [WSG] CSS Help

2007-10-23 Thread Chris Knowles
Olajide Olaolorun wrote: It doesnt work :( I just tried it now... placed it in the default.css On 10/23/07, Tim MacKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #sidebar a img {border: none} I haven't looked at your code but you mentioned it not displaying a border on hover so presumably you need this:

Re: [WSG] CSS Help

2007-10-23 Thread Olajide Olaolorun
That doesnt work too Ben... On 10/23/07, Web King Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your image is using the same a:hover properties as the text a:hover. so give the image its own class or id attribute, with no border, so say... .noborder{border:none} then add img class=noborder to the image

Re: [WSG] CSS Help

2007-10-23 Thread Tim MacKay
I think Chris is right. Set the a:hover to {border: none;} Olajide Olaolorun wrote: It doesnt work :( I just tried it now... placed it in the default.css On 10/23/07, Tim MacKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi There, You just need to put a rule in your style sheet to exempt images from the

Re: [WSG] CSS Help

2007-10-23 Thread Chris Knowles
Chris Knowles wrote: #sidebar a:hover img {border: none} I had a look at your code! - try this: #sidebar .one-image a:hover { border: 0 !important; } in your code you used: #sidebar a:hover,.blogfoot a:hover{ border:1px solid #FFF !important; } because tou used important!

Re: [WSG] CSS Help

2007-10-23 Thread Chris Knowles
Chris Knowles wrote: Chris Knowles wrote: #sidebar a:hover img {border: none} I had a look at your code! - try this: #sidebar .one-image a:hover { border: 0 !important; } Olajide, because you are resetting a border of 1px to 0 the image will probably move so you may need to

Re: [WSG] CSS Help

2007-10-23 Thread Web King Design
try this.. #yourimage a img{ border: none; } OR .yourimage{margin:0px} .yourimage a{border:none} .yourimage a:hover{border:none;} Tim MacKay wrote: I think Chris is right. Set the a:hover to {border: none;} Olajide Olaolorun wrote: It doesnt work :( I just tried it now... placed it in

Re: [WSG] CSS Help

2007-10-23 Thread David Niemann
Try this... a img { margin-bottom: -2px; vertical-align: sub; border: none;} Worked for me in a similar situation. David On 24/10/2007, at 9:03 AM, Olajide Olaolorun wrote: Can someone please help me with this small problem i'm having I seem to have a problem with the link hover style i

Re: [WSG] CSS Help

2007-10-23 Thread Chris Wilson
Contrary to everything else put forth about the 'issue', this actually works... change #sidebar a:hover,.blogfoot a:hover{ border:1px solid #FFF !important; } to #sidebar li a:hover,.blogfoot a:hover{ border:1px solid #FFF !important; } add the li so it only applies to links inside the

Re: [WSG] CSS Help

2007-10-23 Thread Chris Knowles
Chris Wilson wrote: Contrary to everything else put forth about the 'issue', this actually works... that statement isn't correct because this also works: #sidebar .one-image a:hover { border: 1px solid #000 !important; } The other attempts here try to fix a problem with an extra

Re: [WSG] CSS Help

2007-10-23 Thread Chris Wilson
Lex parsimoniae. Cheers. On 10/23/07, Chris Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Wilson wrote: Contrary to everything else put forth about the 'issue', this actually works... that statement isn't correct because this also works: #sidebar .one-image a:hover { border: 1px

Re: [WSG] CSS Help

2007-10-23 Thread Olajide Olaolorun
Chris Knowles solution works... both of them... I used the first one though cause i didnt want the border at all. Under firefox, the border cuts into the h3 title... so i dont mind the shifting Thanks a lot guys On 10/23/07, Chris Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Wilson wrote:

[WSG] CSS, the DOM and whitespace (rant)

2007-08-16 Thread Keryx Web
Hi again! CSS considers only element nodes to be children or siblings. The DOM does not. This is a pedagogic discrepancy understandable to people used in traversing the DOM who are frustrated that MSIE is natural with nextSibling and that the rest are according to spec.[1] Something that

Re: [WSG] CSS, the DOM and whitespace (rant)

2007-08-16 Thread liorean
On 16/08/07, Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CSS considers only element nodes to be children or siblings. The DOM does not. Actually, selectors considers ONLY elements, never text nodes or entity references (or comments, or PIs, or CDATA blocks or whatever). Selectors work on the element

[WSG] CSS Problem in Mozilla and IE6

2007-08-10 Thread Joyce Evans
Here is the link to a website, and I've only gotten this far: http://www.nichemktghouston.com/mneiman/physician.html So far, It looks proper in IE7, but in Mozilla, the horizontal navigation links do not center but rather move to the right so that I don't see the full Contact link. In

[WSG] CSS Problem in Mozilla and IE6

2007-08-10 Thread rdoyle
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