I have to say i agree with Gary here. Google have provided a free
service, and if it does not work for you, then go use something that
does.
On the other hand...
Gmail Does provide a way for disabled people to read their mail... a
simple email POP account. (look under setttings).
At the very
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:54:59 +1000, Gary Menzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are plenty of accesible free webmail clients available.
Explan to me why GMail has to make it's product accessible to everyone?
It's not that Google *has to* make GMail accessible, semantic,
minimal, and all the
Gavin,
Firstly Yahoo provides a free service, why all the hoo-haa about it
using CSS...
Most sites on the net provide free information, why should they bother
being compliant and accessible...
I mean why bother - its a free site for the public...
Your outlook on standards and accessibility is
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:09:58 +1100, Chris Stratford
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- BTW -
How does a disabled person see that message about POP mail?
I cant see ANY source on the page.
I wonder what JAWS or other screenreaders would do when they load the
page...
Unless the screen reader is simply
I think Scott touches on a good point here that GMail is really a web
application and many of Google's current projects are really pushing
into quite new areas, Google Maps in particular.
I think the previous analogy from Andreas; why do we still bother with
these useless ramps infront of
Behalf Of Nick Lo
I think Scott touches on a good point here that GMail is really a web
application and many of Google's current projects are really pushing
into quite new areas, Google Maps in particular.
...
GMail
is a web application and is using technologies (like XMLHTTPRequest)
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:39:46 -, Patrick Lauke
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...
Yes, use the bells and whistles which XMLHTTPRequest and co can
offer, but don't forget about other platforms which may not support it.
Sure, Google don't *have* to make their site accessible at all (not under
Rimantas Liubertas wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:39:46 -, Patrick Lauke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Without DHTML in general and XMLHTTPRequest in particular GMail would end being
just another lame webmail system. These exactly features make it my
webmail of choice.
Obviously you're not familiar
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:05:39 +, Patrick H. Lauke
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Obviously you're not familiar with the concept of graceful degradation?
Nobody is saying they shouldn't use it, but they *can* provide a
fallback mechanism for users that can't use JS.
...
While it would be nice
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 13:42:14 +1100, Chris Stratford
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Wow, I only just realised that Gmail would have to have the WORST
accessibility for everyone.
I just wanted to get the HTML code for the site.
And there have to be about 10 frames inside frames.
Yeah, Mark Pilgrim
James Bennett wrote:
For figuring out the structure of a Gmail page I've found the best
method is to use Mozilla's DOM Inspector; it lets you pick through all
of the framesets and hidden DIVs to figure out what's actually going
on.
Yesh thats what I used to get that deep.
But the DOM inspector
My opinion.
Dont use it if it doesnt work for you.
While I am all for webstandards, there is nothing that says people
HAVE to produce a program that works in a particular way. And while
there are accessibility standards - there is NOTHING stopping someone
with accessibility issues from
-Original Message-
From: Gary Menzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 15 February 2005 3:28 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!
My opinion.
Dont use it if it doesnt work for you.
While I am all for webstandards, there is nothing
I actually don't use any systems.
For one of my jobs I needed to have a similar styling to gmail.
So i wanted to see the source.
and that is how I came to my issue.
Gary Menzel wrote:
My opinion.
Dont use it if it doesnt work for you.
While I am all for webstandards, there is nothing that says
Also, it's beta, and it's FREE, so don't complain, really.
Francesco
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:28:27 +1000, Gary Menzel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
My opinion.
Dont use it if it doesnt work for you.
While I am all for webstandards, there is nothing that says people
HAVE to produce a
:28 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!
My opinion.
Dont use it if it doesnt work for you.
While I am all for webstandards, there is nothing that says people
HAVE to produce a program that works in a particular way. And while
-Original Message-
From: Gary Menzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 15 February 2005 3:55 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!
I'll repeat myself - just so that people know I am serious
about this..
There are plenty of accesible
:
-Original Message-
From: Gary Menzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 15 February 2005 3:55 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!
I'll repeat myself - just so that people know I am serious
about this..
There are plenty
@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!
My opinion.
Dont use it if it doesnt work for you.
While I am all for webstandards, there is nothing that says people
HAVE to produce a program that works in a particular way. And while
there are accessibility standards - there is NOTHING
Francesco,
It seems like we are making the world less free by forcing
companies/corporations/individuals to conform to equality laws.
at the risk of sounding terribly cynical, corporations in particular
are by their very nature selfish. They exist to generate shareholder
profit. To the extent
Subject: Re: [WSG] GMail... Terrible!
I'll repeat myself - just so that people know I am serious
about this..
There are plenty of accesible free webmail clients available.
Explan to me why GMail has to make it's product accessible to
everyone?
To continue evolving into a society
Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Gary Menzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Explan to me why GMail has to make it's product accessible to
everyone?
To continue evolving into a society that treats everybody equally, there is
no reason why companies should
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