Hi Bill,
.
We should also take in account overlapping spectra as spreading information
between symbols under GFSK will affect decoding of the overlapped signals
mostly if we are using frequency criterion for candidate ranking and probably
due to the inaccurate signal subtraction, assuming all
/04/2019 13:01, Игорь Ч via wsjt-devel wrote:
> Hello Joe,
> .
> Is there any possible losses, e.g. sensitivity or compatibility, at
> pushing FT8 in software towards GFSK modulation?
> .
> 73,
> Igor UA3DJY
Hi Igor,
the simple answer is yes. But only related to compatibilit
Hello Joe,
.
Is there any possible losses, e.g. sensitivity or compatibility, at pushing FT8
in software towards GFSK modulation?
.
73,
Igor UA3DJY
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.
Compоund сallsigns where base call starting from 'R' char are also affected by
this bug.
.
73 Igor UA3DJY
>Суббота, 22 декабря 2018, 13:10 +03:00 от Игорь Ч :
>
>Hello Joe,
>.
>There is a bug in packjt77 module observed when first character of the base
>call is 'P' in th
Hello Joe,
.
There is a bug in packjt77 module observed when first character of the base
call is 'P' in the compound callsign.
It can be seen in ft8apset.f90 code, where message with user's callsign
DU6/VA3AAA is packed as
'VA3AAA K9ABC RRR' and i3 equal to 1, while message with user's callsign
Hello Laurie,
.
DX cluster usage is an Internet dependant DX-ing and contesting, it is accepted
by community and organizers.
.
73 Igor UA3DJY
>Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:39:13 +1000
>From: "Laurie, VK3AMA" < _vk3a...@vkdxer.net >
>To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
>Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel]
Hello Robin,
.
That is correct, it also can be considered as moving costs of power amplifiers
and antenna systems to the server/software.
At the moment we have approximately 65k FT8 users and there should be simple
control layer protocol, costs may be similar to keeping pskreporter.info and
Hello Joe and all,
.
Most of questions raised on this subject can be solved via HLR/VLR database
server usage, where visitor location register can match to the specific HF band
where callsign, frequency, hash of the message being transmitted, protocol and
code rate can be stored, callsign hash
Hello Joe,
.
It was excellent example with the WSPR QSO, just thought we can get additional
FT8 gain if some messages at QSO will be transmitted as 'hash hash' / 'call
hash' / 'hash call' instead of callsigns.
.
Yes, there is a trade off between the sensitivity and protocol flexibility.
Hello Joe and all,
.
We all have been missing JT65 mode sensitivity and proposed WSJT-X 2.0 new FT8
approach with 0.2 dB sensitivity penalty can make things even worse.
.
I would like to ask you to consider a new protocol where callsign hash would be
used instead of the real callsign in all
Hello all,
.
Just a minor patch to prevent rare jt9 process crash in sync8.f90:
.
iz=ib-ia+1
call indexx(red(ia:ib),iz,indx)
--- ibase=indx(nint(0.40*iz)) - 1 + ia
+++ ibase=indx(max(1,nint(0.40*iz))) - 1 + ia ! max is workaround to prevent
indx getting out of bounds
.
73 Igor UA3DJY
Hello all,
.
It is either lack of code or just bad example in the documentation:
"QSOs involving Type 2 compound callsigns might look like either of the
following sequences:
CQ K1ABC/VE1 FN75"
where country is not being recognized properly for this callsign in WSJT-X
1.9-rc3:
.
102200 21 0.0
Hello Phil,
.
>Igor, the whole point of playing out silence is to maintain
>synchronization. If, for example, the sampling rate is 48 kHz and your
>RTP packets each contain 240 samples (5 milliseconds), then I would
>replace a single missing packet with 240 samples of binary zeroes. Your
>signal
Hello Phil,
>I implemented RTP in about a page of C code, not counting all of the
>UNIX/Linux system calls needed to set up multicast sockets. That's
>actually the only hard part. With RTP I just check that the next packet
>is in sequence, drop any old duplicates, and play out silence in place
>of
Hello Joe and all,
.
Multithreading FT8 decoder in WSJT-X can provide workaround to the latency
issues being observed at the DX-pedition mode tests.
.
Multithreading FT8 decoder is already implemented in JTDX and this approach
might be taken from the latest JTDX source code.
.
73 Igor UA3DJY
Hello Joe,
.
In gen9.f90 207th bit of the i1EncodedBits(207) / i1ScrambledBits(207) arrays
is not initialized and may take any integer*1 non binary value causing
corruption of the 69th data tone in JT9 modulation.
.
Proposing to fix it in lines 44...48 of gen9.f90 source code:
.
nsym2=206
call
Bill,
Absolutely agree with everithing you said. It will take time, I will try to do
my best to implement it in the next JTDX version 17.7.
73 Igor UA3DJY
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Hello Joe,
.
I am always open for communication and there are my answers to the raised
questions:
.
1. Let me know, please, what shall I do to get JTDX licensed in the compatible
to GPL v3 manner.
.
2. JTDX being published on the JTDX Web site
http://www.qrz.lt/ly3bg/JTDX/jtdx.html, any other
Hello Tsutsumi san and All,
.
Just to avoid any possible confusion: we have still been waiting for response
from Joe K1JT on this subject.
.
Any actions on this subject shall be performed in mutual agreement and
cooperation, that is the only way to get through.
.
73 Igor UA3DJY
.
>Re:
Hello Tsutsumi san and All,
.
This may be the way we will go further with JT modes on HF bands:
.
1. 20 kHz processing bandwidth support in JT software, as we can share RTTY
spectra now
2. Shared common band for JT65 and JT9 communication modes
3. Expansion of the narrow digital modes frequency
Hello All,
There is simple answer why users prefer operate JT65 on the overloaded HF bands
while there is underused JT9 subband.
.
Anyone from DX location, let's say for instance from New Zealand, have
frequently met scenario where multiple signals coming back to his CQ call.
.
Due to the
Hello Joe and All,
.
Due to the current explosive growth of HF activity in JT65a mode we are getting
close to a date when existing JT65 bandwidth will be fully utilized leaving no
possibility for weak signal communication but local contacts.
.
It might be right time now to act towards the new
Hi Joe,
I have found a reason for this issue: if dt value in decode65a.f90 is negative
and too low we are getting out of the dd() array.
Simple string
'if(dt.lt.xxx) return'
completely resolved this issue, there is no broken information symbols anymore
coming to decoders and symbol
Hi Joe and All,
.
Observing broken symbols in demod64a.f90, using this diagnostics in line 54 to
catch it in r6643:
if(p1.lt.0.0001) print *,j,p1
.
Sometimes, likely after the signal subtraction, first two information message
symbols
getting 0.0(0) values through the whole signal spectrum(all
Hi Joe and All,
.
I have decided to leave my WSJT-X optimization activities and you could find
message on it there:
http://forum.qrz.ru/6-cifrovye-vidy-radiosvyazi/44060-proekt-wsjt-x-mody-jt65-jt9-wspr-jt4-jtmsk-rabota-s-testovym-softom.html#post1236892
.
r6462mod15 source code is released, it
Hi Joe and All,
.
Getting approximately 2dB hinted decoding SNR degradation for large CALL3 files
(1 records) in comparison to small
CALL3 files where there are only several records.
.
Do you know what could be the reason for it?
.
73
.
Igor
decode)
>Среда, 13 апреля 2016, 11:33 +04:00 от Игорь Ч <c_i...@inbox.ru>:
>
>Hi Joe and All,
>.
>Hinted decoding stops to work if this sequence of actions performed:
>.
>Enable deep search -> Disable deep search -> Enable deep search
>.
>Tested on r6606. Hint
Hi Joe and All,
.
Hinted decoding stops to work if this sequence of actions performed:
.
Enable deep search -> Disable deep search -> Enable deep search
.
Tested on r6606. Hinted decoding can be recovered via WSJT-X restart.
.
73
.
Igor
Hi Joe and All,
.
It might be useful feature for classic transceiveirs as there is slope of the
SSB filter in TX path on frequencies less than 500 Hz and higher than 2500 Hz.
.
This filter's slope pushing users to use PWR slider frequently to achieve the
same TRX power for various JT65/JT9
Short description of the proposed code changes:
.
1. Eliminating accumulated error by injecting one extra sample every
5 symbols.
.
2. Set nz and nref equal to 561737
.
>
>.
>Proposing this patch, it demostrating excellent results while being
>tested above all my other modifications.
>.
>Patch
Hi Joe and All,
.
Proposing this patch, it demostrating excellent results while being
tested above all my other modifications.
.
Patch file is located there, it is based on r6471:
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/978N/dQpyaohdX
.
I have published link to the full source code with all my
Hi Joe and All,
.
I would like to propose two new optional designs of the UI.
.
Screenshots and source code are there:
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/Beob/SKQzBBkyc
.
Option2 may require little code change in the mainwindow.cpp.
.
Can we let user to make choice of the optional main window UI
via
Hi Bill and All,
.
It is my fault, caused by usage of the shared variable with no it's type
declaration.
.
Now it is resolved, many thanks for your assistance.
.
73,
.
Igor UA3DJY
>Пятница, 12 февраля 2016, 21:44 +03:00 от Игорь Ч <c_i...@inbox.ru>:
>
>
>Hi Bill,
>.
>i
Hi Joe and All,
.
Getting Fortran runtime error and WSJT-X_devel crash caused by some values of
the ss array(symspec65.f90).
.
xcor.f90 making value of the lagpk0 variable like this values: -1074766244,
+1081242987, +1083484278...
.
I can easy reproduce it in my setup.
.
Your assistance on
Hi Bill,
.
it is happening in normal decoding interval, being triggered by some ss array
values.
.
Getting it for every audio file if this change is made in the symspec65.f90:
.
. - s=real(c(i))**2 + aimag(c(i))**2
. + s=abs(real(c(i))) + abs(aimag(c(i)))
.
73
.
Igor UA3DJY
.
.
>> Getting
Hi Joe and All,
.
There is additional improvement with this source code change for the
FFT window function in subtract65.f90:
.
--- a/branches/wsjtx/lib/subtract65.f90
+++ b/branches/wsjtx/lib/subtract65.f90
.
-parameter (NFILT=1600)
+parameter (NFILT=2204)
.
Test results, increase shown above
Hi Joe and All,
.
After multiple tests I would like to propose the simple sine window
function working better than the currently implemented one.
.
I guess the sine window function is better matched to the df value
in the spectra domain,
and two sample offset in the time domain bringing some
Hi Joe and All,
Latest tests demonstrating high efficiency of the three-pass decoding
on the overcrowded HF bands. The latest WSJT-X release was modified
for tests with user choice between two- and three-pass decoding.
Just some example for JT65+JT9 mode, Random erasure patterns=6, Agressive
Hi Joe and All,
There are several reasons to implement early first pass JT65 decoding:
1. Most signals with SNR better than -15 can be decoded after
28 seconds of the message transmission
2. First pass decoding on 33rd second will let users to use optimized
thresholds thresh0 for first and
>> I have both a SignaLink and a Xonar U7. On both of them if I adjust so
>> that the Window's level meter to show much of anything than I have to slide
>> the receive gain down considerably which has been stated to be undesirable.
> Stated by whom? Why would you think backing off on the
From: Bill Somerville - 2016-01-24 11:23:15
>> Backing off on the receiver's RF gain is caused by two possible reasons:
>>
>> 1. Noise level in receiver's AF output is too high.
>> In urban noise environment full size vertical or dipole antenna have
>> bad SNR.
>> There are two
Hi Joe and All,
I am getting strange, frequency dependent results, for JT65 SNR measurements if
bandpass filter is applied to the measured signal.
Using r6404-dirty, especially modified top SNR reporting threshold to 49(I
played with strong signals).
For top part of the JT65 band frequencies
Joe and All,
Applied bandpass filter at low audio frequencies should have large phase
distortion, but can this phase distortion cause such huge difference in the
WSJT-X noise measurements?
73 Igor UA3DJY--
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Hi Joe, Bill and All,
In the latest WSJT-X release we still have large unwanted side spectrum
emissions at beginning and end of the message transmission.
JT9 reception is most affected one by the strong nearby located JT signals,
while JT65 is a bit less affected.
There are also some side
Joe,
> Yes, the ramp-up and ramp-down at start and end of transmission could be
> made a somewhat slower. Perhaps that is desirable?
Yes, please.
73 Igor UA3DJY
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Hi All,
It looks like such glitches is usual behaviour for loud JT signals, while it is
not clear if it caused by TX side, receiver, RX sound card or WSJT-X RX
processing.
Spectrum of the glitches is concentrated around the loud signal there.
73 Igor UA3DJY
>
>Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 17:48:39
Hi Joe and All,
Last couple months I have been seeing multiple occurencies of the 50Hz
amplitude modulation of the JT9
signals, that combined with the intermodulation products causes multiple
decodes of the same JT9 message with 50Hz step.
During resolution of these interference issues I have
Hi Joe and All,
There are my results on tuning r6373 FTRSD parameters for HF files:
file jt65_decode.f90:
line 102 thresh0=2.4
line 105 thresh0=1.0
file ftrsd.c:
line 135 thresh0[i]=1.2*perr[ii][jj];
Getting with original r6373 3054 correct JT65 decodes from my set of wav files.
Getting from
Hi Joe and All,
I would like to create Call3.txt for HF hinted decoding using the collected
All.txt files,
what do you think if it is worth to make somewhere storage for various
collected All.txt files to use them for further Call3.txt development?
73 Igor
their sync tones
at larger power than used for the message's information content.
-- 73, Joe, K1JT
>Понедельник, 14 декабря 2015, 20:24 +03:00 от Игорь Ч <c_i...@inbox.ru>:
>
>Hi Joe and all,
>
>In the JT65 protocol document there is statement: 'For the tests illustrated
>in Fig
t hard to drop the habit of using 73 like you use on every other
protocol.
RRR :-)
Mike W9MDB
>Пятница, 11 декабря 2015, 12:15 +03:00 от Игорь Ч <c_i...@inbox.ru>:
>
>Hi Joe and all,
>
>I have checked statistics based on the All.txt file: at least every second
>operat
hat...so perhaps
>we need some pop up the first time you send an RRR which is then suppressed
>which says "FYIRRR is the last message needed for the calling side of a JT
>QSO...no 73 is needed...see help file"
>
>I got educated and quit using it. RRR Mike W9MDB
Hi Mike and all,
I guess there is the solution that would answer any user requirements: user
defined macros.
At the moment there is no enough flexibility in it: what we need is the ability
to take callsign from the buffer(which is already used to log QSO) and to
trigger the prompt to log
Hi Joe and all,
I have checked statistics based on the All.txt file: at least every second
operator transmit manually generated message RR73 or 'RRR 73' instead of the
standard RRR message. File with the summary and raw data in MS Excel format is
located there:
ack <mdblac...@gmail.com>:
>
>One downside is that R73 won't compress so you may not be able to respond to
>some call signs properly
>
>RRR
>Mike W9MDB
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>On Fri, D
Hi Joe and all,
Strong interference from loud JT65 signal pushed me to check audio transmission.
With my sound card I have found two issues with the TX signal:
major one: tone transmission is started and stopped at sinus phase different
from 0 degrees (amplitude different from value 0).
Joe,
Just to avoid misunderstanding: under the tone transmission I mean beginning
and end of the message transmission.
Short burst before the message also has clicks.
73 Igor
>Вторник, 8 декабря 2015, 23:15 +03:00 от Игорь Ч <c_i...@inbox.ru>:
>
>Hi Joe and all,
>
>Str
Hi Bill,
Thanks a lot, making the fix please also keep your attention on the end of the
waveform.
73 Igor UA3DJY
On 08/12/2015 20:15, Игорь Ч wrote:
> major one: tone transmission is started and stopped at sinus phase
> different from 0 degrees (amplitude different from value 0).
>
Hi Bill,
I have recorded audio from the sound card's output, no connection to
transmitter was used.
There are three clicks at beginning of the audio transmission and one click at
the end.
73 Igor UA3DJY
On 08/12/2015 20:15, Игорь Ч wrote:
> major one: tone transmission is star
t multicast so right now
>one JTAlert is needed for each WSJT-X.
>
>73
>Mike W9MDB
>
>
>On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 1:53 AM, Игорь Ч < c_i...@inbox.ru > wrote:
>>Hi Joe and all,
>>May I ask to consider additional functionality of WSJT-X where multiple
>&g
Hi Joe and all,
May I ask to consider additional functionality of WSJT-X where multiple
instances are running and all of them sending their decodes via UDP to the
master instance of WSJT-X which is used for transmitting, logging and also for
receiving?
In the master instance all decodes are
Hi Joe and all,
I have been observing frequently at remote WSJT-X operation that 'white' noise
level in urban area sometimes can jump 10..14dB up and stay there for hours.
If AGC is off or if operator, being on remote WSJT-X control, can not see
S-meter of the classic transceiver, with time
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>
>
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>On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 2:40 AM, Игорь Ч < c_i...@inbox.ru > wrote:
>>Hi Joe and all,
>>
>>I have been observing frequently at remote WSJT-X operatio
Hi Joe, Steve and all,
There is audio file where JT65 weak signals are handled better by r6058 than by
r6080 and I can not explain why is it happen:
r6058:
0706 -23 0.6 2493 @ CQ PA3GUK JO32
0706 -7 1.0 280 # CQ R9HAW NO26
0706 -23 1.7 1087 # JH8JNF F5GPE 73
0706 -25 1.2 1499 # CQ UA3LHA
Hi Joe,
That is expanding my understanding of the RF gain term as before I have had
experience with old Yaesu transceivers like FT990 FT1000 and there RF gain
makes effect similar to attenuator's one, pushing the sensitivity down.
I will share your experience on the Kenwood TS2000 in Russian
Hi Joe, Yan and all,
This issue is resolved via copying WSJT-X.ini file from other computer.
Unfortunately I was too quick in the decision to accept overwrite prompt and
have lost broken .ini file ...
The issue is solved and you have saved my computer for further WSJT-X usage.
Thanks a lot
I usually run with the RF gain set at 80
>(out of 100) and only 1-2% of my data files activate the 1-bit correlation
>option. In any case, this latest version should “just work” whether or not you
>are able to optimize your AGC settings.
>
>73 Steve k9an
>
>> On Nov 1
s. This will minimize the
>AGC-induced noise-step effect and will guarantee maximum sensitivity from the
>decoder. For example, on my TS-480 I usually run with the RF gain set at 80
>(out of 100) and only 1-2% of my data files activate the 1-bit correlation
>option. In any case
issue with AGC transceiver
operation that is fixed for the JT65 decoder in the r6056 and r6058 releases.
73,
Igor UA3DJY
>Среда, 11 ноября 2015, 0:05 +03:00 от Игорь Ч <c_i...@inbox.ru>:
>
>Hi Steve, Mike and all,
>
>I have just upgraded my Win7 to Windows 10 and now
UA3DJY
>Среда, 11 ноября 2015, 19:01 +03:00 от Игорь Ч <c_i...@inbox.ru>:
>
>Hi Steve and all,
>
>I have just tested 1.6.1 r6058 with audio files where AGC in transceiver was
>turned OFF.
>
>This test resulted in 80/85 decodes ratio for AMD/Intel processors.
>
>Jus
Hi Steve, Mike and all,
I have just upgraded my Win7 to Windows 10 and now observing additional
degradation of the JT9 decoder operation under r6058.
There are results:
OS/Proc -- number of JT9 decoded signals
Win10 /AMD - 34
Win7 /AMD - 44
WinXP /Intel - 97
73 Igor
>
>Slow WinXP
Hi Steve and all,
Please accept my congratulations on r6058: now there is almost no difference in
decodes between my two computers for JT65.
Short summary for r6058:
computer JT65 decodes JT9 decodes
Slow PC 944 97
Fast PC 942 44
I have found only two unique JT65 decodes on
Hi Steve and all,
It would be great to have in WSJT-X / HF the choice either to deal with AGC
operation with some loss of the weak signals decodes and achieved benefit in
number of decodes, or to focus on weak signals that is often required in
conditions when the band is almost closed and JT
ur machines?
>
>You should show your other results to so we can compare.
>Mike W9MDB
>
>Windows 7:
>
>Windows 10
>
>
>On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Игорь Ч < c_i...@inbox.ru > wrote:
>>Hello,
>>
>>I have got two PC: slow one under WinXP and f
Hello,
I have got two PC: slow one under WinXP and fast one under Win7. Both run r6052
with the same settings: Random erasure patterns = 6, two-pass decoding,
Agressive decoding level = 5
Just would like to share my two observations:
1. When I play files recorded on slow PC on the fast one,
Hello Greg, Mike,
Thanks a lot for the valuable input, together with the svn basics it has
answered all my questions on the SW compilation.
73,
Igor UA3DJY
>
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:24:27 +
>From: KI7MT < ki7m...@gmail.com >
>Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] can not compile
Hello,
I am trying to compile WSJT-X 1.6.1 using JTSDK 2.0.0-u2 under Windows 7.
Checking out the latest revision but compiler always takes revision 6000 from
C:/JTSDK/src/wsjtx, and I have no idea how to correct it.
Also getting error E155007 upon 'svn update' command in JTSDK-DOC:
Hello,
Just have noticed if there is no NTP used for large DT there are frequent
errors:
15m
0802 -1 4.6 839 # PP .ATLK124I6
0802 -13 4.6 1385 # /HQBKZF+E1LEJ
15m
0803 -5 4.9 1569 # RQ3YSE RP6RUA LP58
It is not bad,
Hello,
Please ignore my previous message, I have already found in the JTSDK-QT help
right commands to compile v1.6.1 r602*:
checkout-wsjtxexp
build-wsjtxexp package
73,
Igor UA3DJY
>Пятница, 30 октября 2015, 12:21 +03:00 от Игорь Ч <c_i...@inbox.ru>:
>
>Hello,
>
>I
Hi Bill,
Using Meinberg NTP for time sync with good accuracy over mobile Internet
connection:
Checking current status of NTP service with ntpq -p
remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter
==
-46.243.49.100
Dear Sirs:
Just met this scenario: trying to operate WSJT-X v1.5 with 3 digit special
callsign, for instance R111RR.
Getting this message generation with callsing E20WXA stored in the buffer:
CQ - CQ R111RR KO8 (last digit of grid is missed)
DB - 20W
RRR - E20WXA R111RR
GRID -
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