hi joe... i have no way of finding a teacher..i must be my own teacher yes
i do develop attachments...i am human..
. ...i do go backwards and i do dwell in the past...i reflect.
.i think what if how come, if only..should i have...all that stuff.
.and i create my own horror in the now and in
Joe, Edgar, Kris, et al...
I do want to correct one thing I said below. I said reality (Buddha
Nature/zen) is illogical and irrational. That is incorrect. Saying that
would mean it is NOT logical and NOT rational. What I meant to say is reality
(Buddha Nature/zen) is a-logical and
Joe and Edgar,
Zen Realization (which I interpret as 'Buddha Nature') has nothing to do with
'understanding' (rationality), and only involves 'knowing' if you mean that to
be 'experience'. But it is not 'knowing' as in 'understanding'.
The End...
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com,
Joe,
There is no 'sixth sense'. There are not even five senses. There is only
Buddha Nature.
If you want to describe Buddha Nature dualistically you could say it is the
aggregation of all the five senses. But these five divisions/classifications
are dualistic and illusory - like saying
Joe,
I think when Kris said ...but no one has it he means 'no one who is under the
dualistic illusion of having a self possesses 'zen' (is aware of Buddha
Nature). Or...no one who is creating dualities manifests Buddha Nature.
That's the way I read it anyway. Of course I always read things
Merle,
You're looking for a teacher? How about Joshu? He's a pretty good one...
Joshu's Wash Your Bowls - Case 7, THE GATELESS GATE
A monk asked Joshu in all earnestness, I have just entered this monastery. I
beg you, please give me instructions. Joshu asked, Have you eaten your rice
Hi Joe,
Nothing wrong with pleasure and enjoyment. Just enjoy but don't get attached to
it so you suffer when it's gone...
Edgar
On Aug 30, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Joe wrote:
Edgar,
Pleasure; I still hold there's a grain of distinction between the two.
If they weren't TWO, then where would
Chris,
Just fix the frigging tire and drive on!
:-)
Edgar
On Aug 30, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Chris Austin-Lane wrote:
Sorry, I can never tell how clearly my phrases are to others. blessing here
is from math or computer science, meaning to mark one thing as having special
meaning to the
Hi Joe,
The ancient religions and myths, or at least some of them, were important steps
in man's understanding of reality. They were the best science of the day. And
they are to be revered as important steps in humanity's development.
The problem is when they become self perpetuating political
Joe and Merle,
This is correct but it's important to recognize that desire and attachments are
not really for things but for the IDEAS of those things in one's mind.
That's why, Merle take note, one can release oneself from desires and
attachments just by changing one's mental narrative
Dear Merle,
Thanks for enhancing my Bodhisattva nature!
:-)
A bow...
Edgar
On Aug 30, 2012, at 8:35 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
hi edgar..
.many thanks...i appreciate this advice
..i do brood..
. it's not easy to let go...
i try
i learn
i am after all human and with
Merle,
Don't worry, freeing oneself is freeing oneself.
KG just likes to be contradictory... He's a good lesson to sharpen our
understanding...
Edgar
On Aug 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
KG... can you clarify on this please...merle
'Freeing oneself' reeks of
Joe,
Great illustrative example!
Thanks,
Edgar
On Aug 30, 2012, at 8:41 PM, Joe wrote:
Edgar,
Yessir. Thank you.
My dying Master (Sheng Yen; 1930-2009) wrote:
Busy with nothing, growing old.
Within emptiness, weeping, laughing.
Intrinsically, there is no 'I'.
Life and death,
Joe,
First sentence. Good point. It's mostly the mind that lies, but the senses also
selectively sample reality rather than taking it all in. E.g. they function as
antennae tuned only to a small spectrum of audial and visual wavelengths. And
they focus light which is unfocused in nature...
Joe,
Yes, but the curvature of space is not an illusion. Scientific theories
gradually converge on reality. They are not yet perfect and may never be
completely so but that is NOT a reason to claim that structure itself is an
illusion, that there is no structure. Science is the study of that
Joe and Merle,
LOL! Dancing THROUGH, not ON! I'm sure Merle doesn't trample her daffodils in
her stripped naked mystical ecstasy...
But on second thought? Hmmm, reminds me of the time I did it on a bed of cool
crushed Irises on hot earth! Such a heavenly fragrance! Such a wonderful sky!
Edgar
Joe and Merle,
There is no 'goal' of enlightenment to be achieved without which you imagine
you are incomplete
There is no incompleteness. This understanding is an essential aspect of
realization...
Wham!
Edgar
On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Joe wrote:
Hiya, Merle,
Nonetheless,
Merle,
Everyone, being human, has attachments. The trick is not to be attached to your
attachments!
When attachments arise just let them pass. There is always something else new
and fresh to fill the emptiness
(more accurately manifest rather than fill the emptiness)
Let attention not
Bill!
That is partially correct. Reality at its most fundamental level consists of
what you call Buddha Nature which is intrinsically formless; however Buddha
Nature is such that forms naturally arise within it and those forms have a
logical structure (they have to have because after all a
Edgar,
I do not ignore the points you make. I just usually disagree, or perhaps as
you suggested in an early post I don't understand what you are saying - that is
what you are saying means something different to me than you intend to convey.
In the post below however I think you've come as
Kristopher and Merle,
Why the Ouch?
Merle is just being honest and open here which is admirable.
Honest that she recognizes some of her attachments and open to finding how to
free herself from them.
Recognizing and understanding the things that keep one from realization and
being open to
Bill!
This is indeed closer. A couple of responses
First it is quite true that Buddha Nature can be manifested without
intelligence. Everything that exists does exactly that!
However realization that you (and everything else) are continually manifesting
Buddha Nature does require
I have never lost a leg or two. I am attached to my legs, but I don't think
that is what they mean by attachment is the root of suffering.
I do find I can see how attachment and suffering work by watching carefully in
boring moments, and then bring the confidence of that seen experience into
Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
Sent from a cell phone
On Aug 30, 2012, at 21:20, Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com wrote:
Chris,
Yes, well, I think so.
Do you disagree that Desire is for what one does not have,
and Attachment is to what one has?
They are just words, I was trying to explain
*[Attachment(s) from Edgar Owen included below]
The Rainbow Serpent is my good buddy Here he is bugging me again while I
try to meditate!
*Attachment(s) from Edgar Owen:
* 1 of 1 Photo(s)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/attachments/folder/1911208219/item/list
* b4679.jpg
there you go edgar..and you poo pah me when i talk about rainbow serpents
pixies, goblins, and medusa...
i believe you have a passion for dragons?
merle
[Attachment(s) from Edgar Owen included below]
The Rainbow Serpent is my good buddy Here he is bugging me again while I
try to
as i age..i have a dreadful attachment to things..i cannot even throw a
cardboard box out... once i was good at discarding..now it grips at my heart.
.i was a child in the era of the 50's..when we collected everything and it was
useful...e.g string.
.you who have lived in that era would
edgar..this is good sound advice..thank you... i must be ever mindful...bless
you.
.thank you for taking the time to assist me through my uncertainty and the
never ending tangles and knots in my mind..
. enjoy your weekend...merle
Merle,
Everyone, being human, has attachments. The trick
Merle,
Interesting, I tend to save things I am unlikely to need because I might need
them someday, especially if/when society collapses. To some extent that's
practical, to some extent perhaps attachment.
On the other hand there have been a number of cases I found a use for some of
that
And as I age I am getting much faster at immediately recycling or giving
away stuff I don't need right away. I could hold onto it for years and
years and use it in ten years, but I can also just find someone that can
make it useful right away.
Joko Beck writes a story of how some roommate of
i am sharing this because i love the message..merle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEBvo8Y4ZIYfeature=related
i first heard this in china in 2006...in a temple complex...i love it..merle
Subject: Chinese Buddha Chants - Best for Meditation - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d-hpMej9bQfeature=related
The idea of dying bit by bit as the etceteras break down like an old car,
gives me the willies. Indeed, my car and I have a lot in common. The engine
runs like a new one, but it needs bodywork, the brakes need work, the
steering's getting sloppy, the door on the driver's side jams,
Edgar,
You are 'getting through and it is registering', but I am not buying all of it.
My responses and comments are embedded below:
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Bill!
This is indeed closer. A couple of responses
First it is quite true
WASH YOUR BOWLS! - Ibid
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
as i age..i have a dreadful attachment to things..i cannot even throw a
cardboard box out... once i was good at discarding..now it grips at my heart.
.i was a child in the era of the
From: Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2012 10:46 AM
Subject: [Zen] Re: Noah's flood, history of the Near East, etc (Anthony, Bill,
list)
Mel,
Nice to meet you, here.
From: Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2012 4:45 AM
Subject: [Zen] Greying of the Sangha...
Howdy, All,
---
MEL: Hello Joe
From: Bill! billsm...@hhs1963.org
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 23 August 2012 10:47 AM
Subject: [Zen] Re: Monkey Mind
'When you are sitting and a thought appears don't try to force it away. Just
let it come and go. Let it just flow through
From: Glenn Rogers rgthies...@yahoo.ca
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 27 August 2012 2:35 AM
Subject: [Zen] Re: Hello
In my Shangha searching, I have found many Buddhists who pray/chant to Buddah,
and they seem to view him as a god, rather than
From: Glenn Rogers rgthies...@yahoo.ca
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 27 August 2012 2:46 AM
Subject: [Zen] Re: bone broth
This looks and sounds like how my mom has cooked throughout my life. Is it okay
for Zen practitioners to eat/drink
I've always been fascinated with how the Hebrew mind works..h...
Buddha be praised
Mel
From: William Rintala brint...@bellsouth.net
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 29 August 2012 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Hello
I have always
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