"WASH YOUR BOWLS!" - Ibid
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote:
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> as i age..i have a dreadful attachment to things..i cannot even throw a
> cardboard box out... once i was good at discarding..now it grips at my heart.
> .i was a child in the era of the 50's..when we collected everything and it
> was useful...e.g string.
> .you who have lived in that era would know...i think the depression had a lot
> to do with it...and then there is "oh i might be able to use that later"...
> even to make an artwork.
> .as a kid we had a rubbish tip walking distance from my home..i loved
> searching through it..i like looking at things...everything is so amazing.
> .if i lost my eye sight..which i could have well done in 2001..the stroke is
> in the area that is linked to eyesight... and the top corner of each eye is
> damaged.
> .so i am forever grateful..is that attachment?..sure  it is...
>
> Â detachment feels so cold..like with people..jesus..does one present a
> detached aura... i am northern european..from the coldest parts of the
> world..and yes they are detached..and rather cold..if you get my
> drift..nothing like the ever embracing italian style of personality..
> .Â
> Â any thoughts on this folks?
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> Â what is detachment?
> Â what is desire?
> Â what is need and what is want?
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> Â how much of our wants are thrust upon us by society that we are brainwashed
> to believing we must have it and have it now?
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> the vow of poverty and vow of silence holds much appeal to me now.
> .we talk too much.
> .we want too much.
> .our society is out of balance
> Â i question
> Â merle
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> Â
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> Thanks,
> Chris Austin-Lane
> Sent from a cell phone
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> On Aug 30, 2012, at 21:20, "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote:
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> > Chris,
> >
> > Yes, well, I think so.
> >
> > Do you disagree that Desire is for what one does not have,
> > and Attachment is to what one has?
>
> They are just words, I was trying to explain what the largely
> mental/physiological experiences behind "attachment is the root of
> suffering." In my experience the suffering comes from not the thought "I
> wish it were otherwise" but from the belief in that thought, the indignation
> that this self should experience that!
>
> If you want to refine wanting to have the moment be otherwise than it is into
> a list of two different types of dissatisfaction is fine, but not the idea I
> was trying to add my two cents to.
>
> > Personally, I don't see alternatives, so I ask.
> >
> > --Joe
> >
> >> Email <brintala@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Attachment to your health, your family, your possessions, your reputation,
> >> your intellect, your mind, your life.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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