This graphic below shows one set of categories of responses. The bottom
two are against our policy. Of course the higher up the pyramid you go,
the more welcome (and effective) the response.
Just FYI...Bill!
as a
co-moderator.
When I sign-in I am then taken to the old page which needs no modification.
I'll keep trying, but for now I think you'll just have to put up with it - or
give me some suggestions...
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
I see now - Firefox
Joe,
What browser are you using?
...Bill!
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I see now - Firefox...
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Joe,
What browser are you using?
...Bill!
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups
of Yahoo! and then do a
Google or Bing search on Yahoo! Zen Forum. Then I'm taken to the Kremlin
page, but all the links (like Messages) are inoperable. When I then sign-in
again I'm taken to the old page.
What is your experience?
...Bill!
Current Book
Joe, et al...
What do you see when you go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ ?
Do you see the old Bodhidharma page or the new Kremlin one?
If you see the new Kremlin one, what is the URL of your browser at that time?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart
Merle,
Probably not, but survival is not the goal or purpose of zen...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
is it possible to survive day to day in our present civilisation
egoless?...merle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egolessness
' perspective is better than a completely self-oriented
perspective which doesn't even recognize any connections. An individual which
holds this extreme perspective is called (I think) a psychopath.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristopher Grey kris@... wrote:
Indeed (in deed - meaning
-ness) experience - not a
direct expression of that monistic experience itself.
I haven't learned how to do that in text format yet... ;)
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristopher Grey kris@... wrote:
OK - Forum's slow, and all's quiet hereabouts, so I'll bite...
Yes Bill
Larry,
You are correct, but I probably wouldn't agree with your underlying assumptions
that cultures are a good thing, and also your judgment of just what constitutes
'advances'.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, larry maher lcmaher22@... wrote:
Why. Is our worst enemy
KG,
That's why I said seems to be. I have know way of really knowing. In fact I
do think some animals share some of our intellectual characteristics. And
maybe in that respect also share some of our delusions.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristopher Grey kris@... wrote:
Key
through when we
practice zen.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, uerusuboyo@... wrote:
Bill!,br/br/I think we're covering ground once trodden before! The
difference with us though is that we don't have to blindly follow our
instincts and can act altruistically even *against* our
, etc...
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 bill...which intellectual characteristics?..merle
Â
KG,
That's why I said seems to be. I have know way of really knowing. In fact
I do think some animals share some of our intellectual
to the thoughts.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
Â
 thinking...really bill..must it be discarded full stop?...merle
Â
Merle!!! BINGO
Buddha taught that 'all sentient beings have Buddha Nature'.
Humans aren't the only beings
can also be called
Buddha Nature.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
bill..i see..very human type of understanding. what about animals and
vegetation... have they true essence too?..merle
Â
Merle,
I believe in zen (and Buddhist
through when we
practice zen.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, uerusuboyo@... wrote:
Bill!,br/br/I think we're covering ground once trodden before! The
difference with us though is that we don't have to blindly follow our
instincts and can act altruistically even *against* our
Mike,
I think you could also say that humans are the only beings that actually need
to make an effort to become self-realised by following the Dharma. All other
sentient beings of which I know seem to be already doing that.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, uerusuboyo@... wrote
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen wrote:
Bill,
Yes, the homepage has been totally screwed up by somebody. The great
Daruma image is replaced by RedSquare. Do you think this is something we
can fix?
Edgar
On Sep 11, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Merle Lester wrote:
hi joe
Merle,
I believe in zen (and Buddhist) terminology Buddha Nature is the same as
true essence in the subject graphic.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 so what is true essence?...merle
Â
I agree with this the way I interpret
Joe,
Welcome back. Traffic on the forum has been slow and muted lately. Is that
what you mean?
...Bill!
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it looks different...Bill!
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Here's a nice one posted especially for Edgar for two reasons:
1. to see if he's still around2. to get his comment.
I generally like the message, but could do without everything after
He's saying... up to the last sentence. I like the last sentence.
...Bill!
Oops! Everything after the SECOND He's saying...
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Here's a nice one posted especially for Edgar for two reasons:
1. to see if he's still around2. to get his comment.
I generally like the message, but could do without everything
Larry,
The survey, like your post below, is voluntary; but the survey, unlike your
post, is anonymous.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, larry maher lcmaher22@... wrote:
screw you (just kidding)
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 8:37 PM, trisfb@... wrote:
**
I am a post-grad
All Members,
I think this posting policy is automatically re-posted the first of every
month. This posting is not an indication that there have been violations
lately.
It's also sent to every new member when they register.
Just FYI...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Zen_Forum
Suresh,
Temporarily halting what Tolle has described below as the incessant stream of
involuntary and compulsive thinking and the emotions that accompany it is
exactly what zen teaching and practice techniques such as zazen, chanting,
bowing, koans, etc.., are employed to do.
...Bill
Kris,
I agree. I call the thought world 'delusion' - past, present and future. As
far as I can tell there are no thoughts of the present. There is only
experience in the present, and experience preceeds thought.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristopher Grey kris@... wrote
is now.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, larry maher lcmaher22@... wrote:
The 'Now' seems to be a three second bit of awareness continually rolling
by us. At least that's what some researchers say. Of course, who knows?
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote
Larry, We all fall victim to it. That's all part of being human.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, larry maher lcmaher22@... wrote:
Thank you so much for that. Spot on. Unfortunately, can talk this stuff all
day long, but practicing it? living it? In minutes I fall 'victim
Kris,
I'm not drawing any maps. I'm just saying we are always HERE.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristopher Grey kris@... wrote:
What 'now'? Beyond its use as a conceptual dead end - no such thing can
be found.
There is only experiencing. Experiences and experiencers, just
of
'noble' is itself a cultural or societal value.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, larry maher lcmaher22@... wrote:
Very good video Merle. No leaders, equal men and female rights and
multi-spouse marriage, men marrying several women or women marrying several
men (probably as a means
but the less security.
What I said below was that in my experience most people will lean heavily
towards security over liberty.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 bill...meaning what?..clarification please..merle
Â
Larry,
I agree most
Larry,
I agree most of what you posted here, but would like to add that most people
however choose security over freedom.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, larry maher lcmaher22@... wrote:
1- Life is suffering.
2- We suffer because we crave (want, desire, whatever)
It doesn't
Merle,
Did you just have a birthday or something?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 rubbish...you missed the point then .
the forest is god..the forest and the people are one..
.god, forest and people are all in harmony..it's called
Merle,
I was just wondering where you got all those emoticans you started using
lately...
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
bill... not yet..it's coming to a store near you next month...merle
Merle,
Did you just have a birthday or something
My chosen subject is EMOTICONS!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
Â
 right!!!... so what's your chosen topic?...merle
Â
Mike
Well, that would depend on whether you wish to have a discussion and stick to
the topic or traipse off into
Merle,
Cultural and societal values and mores are always set by the mob at the top
as you so eloquently put it. Although once they are set even the mob at the
top may be powerless to change them very quickly.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote
Larry,
Zen is not a religion and does not recognize a god.
Buddhism is a religion, IMO, so you might be confusing the two: zen and
Buddhism.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, larry maher lcmaher22@... wrote:
Zen is a religion looking for a God. The Buddha said 'there is no way
of the night reaching
behind her head for the pillow.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, uerusuboyo@... wrote:
Bill!,br/br/The Buddha Nature of a child isn't the same though, in the
sense that layers are being formed rather than stripped. I'd also be careful
with comparing
and your sons
soon find yourself in better times.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, varamtha@... wrote:
Dear sirs,
Today unfortunately I have beaten my younger child for not speaking. I become
very emotional. He is 7 years old, until last month at least he used to
parrot what we
with an upper-case 'Z'
which is a proper noun referring to Zen Buddhism.
This again is IMO and is not the traditional view of Zen Buddhism...by those
that identify themselves as Zen Buddhists.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 hallo bill...so tell me
of your human intellect. These are delusions (not
real, not experience).
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
Â
 bill...so you are still telling me pain is a delusion?... tell me next time
when you are in deep pain..try a very bad toothache
I agree with what JMJM has written below...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, 覺å¦ç²¾æ ï¼JMJMï¼ chan.jmjm@... wrote:
Hi Merle,
Chan historically is a mixture of Buddhist language and Taoist
practice. If you read the Xinxinming by the third patriarch, it sounds
very much like
If you beat you wife you must go by the rule of thumb...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 suresh..it is illegal to hit a child in many  countries... would you hit
your wife? try humour...he hit you first... so you hit back to get him
thoughts..Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, pandabananasock pandabananasock@... wrote:
Has anyone here experienced hearing their mind aloud? I mean really HEARING,
not thoughts.
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read
Larry,
The Zen Forum has no 'head' or 'leader', but does have two co-moderators who
might be considered that for administrative purposes. They are Edgar and me
(Bill!). The forum 'owner' is Al, but he is no longer active and very rarely
posts.
I am a 67-year old US citizen who lives
Merle,
The 'rule of thumb' is that you should not beat your wife with a stick that is
thicker than your thumb. That is an old English law and the origin of the term
'rule of thumb'.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
Â
meaning what bill
...Bill!
Merle,
Yes! Why me? Why not someone else? Someone I don't like? Someone who
doesn't look like me or is the same color as me or speaks the same language as
I do. Someone ELSE!
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 bill...not why me
them.
Welcome to the Zen Forum...
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, reconceiving1942 aham@... wrote:
Hi,
I am new here in this group.
I am familiar with some meditation techiques, where vipassana became the
strongest one for me.
What exactly is zen?
is zen a mediation
delusions.
...Bill!
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 bill...acceptance is the key...what sort odf a zen buddhist are you?..merle
Â
Merle,
Yes! Why me? Why not someone else? Someone I don't like? Someone who
doesn't look like
Merle,
Seeing things as they really are is another way of saying Buddha Nature, at
least that's how I interpret it.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
Â
 question bill...do any of us really see things as they really are?...and
who
bird' is the
delusion.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 bill...i see...so if one is in pain..this is an illusion..try telling that
to someone bowled over and in agony...merle
Â
Merle,
I also want to add that experiencing
Merle,
I have been in pain before. When I am in pain I don't think of pain as a
judgmental delusion, I think of it as pain and judge it to be bad; and maybe
even think Poor, poor me! Why do I have to suffer all this pain? What did I
do to deserve this? I just want it to go away!.
...Bill
CONGRATULATIONS
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Dear All,
After several years of work my book on the deep nature of reality is now
published and available on Amazon.com
Merle,
No, the body is not a restraint. It is a gateway - at least as far as zen is
concerned. The body, or at least its ability to afford awareness of reality,
is the necessary component of Buddha Nature for not only humans but all beings
as we know them.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum
Merle,
I also want to add that experiencing Buddha Nature, such as through zazen, does
not involve a disconnection with the body. It involves a disconnection with
the illusion of self and all dualism.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Merle
Merle,
No. I got about 2/3 of the way and then lost interest. I do intend to pick it
up and finish it one of these days...
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 bill..finished the book yet bill?
 attention attention
 cheers merle
Â
Edgar,
THAT'S GREAT!
Let us know when it's available on Amazon.com...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Merle,
Don't know about Bill but I've just finished my book It will be published
shortly and available on Amazon
The Title
Suresh,
I'm still hear but have been distracted with other things.
I do check the forum everyday but like you have seen no new posts...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@... wrote:
Dear all,
I was surprised on this sudden silence in this forum. I thought
Yes, but are you here now? ...Bill!
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Merle,
To 'be here now' is the same thing as the ISLAND's reminders of Attention!
Attention!...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
where else would i be?...merle
Yes, but are you here now? ...Bill
Edgar,
Actually what I liked best about the photo was the blue motif.
But responding to your remarks about exploiting the cormorants and
over-fishing I've embedded a photo in this post which I'm sure will be
much more to your liking: a fully-automated fish farm.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum
My first introduction to zen was THIS IS IT! by Alan Watts...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Eccentrics.R.US HALatMOTHERSHIP@... wrote:
Merle, alan watts and ram dass have made a popular comeback in the past
couple of years, since his stroke ram dass has focused a lot on death
(intellectualizations) and enter
into samadhi (or what I call shikantaza) is fine.
Do whatever works for you.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, uerusuboyo@... wrote:
M,br/br/I began practicing Zen 10 years, or so, ago. I discovered
Vipassana meditation about 5 years ago. I have found
description. I call this a 'monistic' state, or
'monism' which just means it's not dualistic or pluralistic.
Just THIS!
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, uerusuboyo@... wrote:
Bill!,br/br/Would you say that when you are in shikantaza that you are
also in samadhi?br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent
on explanation,
especially explanation which goes down into great detail. Teaching was by
example accompanied with very terse explanations, and emphasized doing
(experience) over learning (understanding).
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, uerusuboyo@... wrote:
Bill!,br/br/If you have
.
It is in this window where the intellect has 'quiesced' that Buddha Nature may
be realized.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
Bore yourself with the dualistic productions, seems useful to me.
Thanks,
--Chris
301-270-6524
On Jul 30, 2013 3:28 AM
a different perspective;
but find some of it confusing or even misleading, probably because of my
limited knowledge of the Hindu terms - and of course the religious approach.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Eccentrics.R.US HALatMOTHERSHIP@... wrote:
I am new to the Zen Forum and have
such as bowing, chanting, walking meditation, work detail and of
course koan study.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Eccentrics.R.US HALatMOTHERSHIP@... wrote:
When i first started mindfulness meditation, which was quite a few years
ago, i was advised to count
my breaths, 1..2
2. Following the breath:
2.1 - No counting, just following exhale and inhale
2.2 - No counting, just following breath, exhale only
3. Drop the following - shikantaza - Just THIS!
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, uerusuboyo@... wrote:
Hal, Bill!,br/br/I guess counting
Mike,
Shikantaza is like that. It does seem to be something you 'slide' into, and
although afterwards you can say that one moment you're not there and the next
moment you are, there is no awareness of the transition when it happens.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, uerusuboyo
Edgar,
I like that!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Bill,
Reminds me of when I was living in San Francisco and spending a lot of time
in Golden Gate park I used to write Buddhist maxims and haiku on eucalyptus
leaves and leave them around the park
it dissolves? The poor lonely
upside-down quark that can't call up two compatriots to make a proton? It goes
back to whence it came. If that's the case then it wasn't completely there to
begin with.
- Source unknown...but I LIKE IT!
...Bill!
Current Book
disagree with the quote you'll have to take it up with Shunryu
Suzuki. It's his quote, not mine. I'm just the messenger...
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Simon buddhaneo@... wrote:
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Bill! BillSmart@ wrote:
On one side we are all fools
to be new-bathed;
And everything is gone from me, speech goes, and reading,
Leaving the single unison.
Art by Zhao Wuchao (1944 ~)
...Bill!
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in their confrontational mannerism,
are differentiated by the fact that they are actually serious. They hold
grudges longer than the Boston Red Sox Fans did against Bill Buckner, and
sprout anger and venom as if it drained from their pores. They can be found by
the fact they are usually writing
On one side we are all fools, but when we realize this we are enlightened, and
when we make efforts in the face of it, we are bodhisattvas.
-- Shunryu Suzuki
...Bill!
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reading! Talk
Edgar,
I posted it because Einstein's views expressed here support my posts about the
delusion of separateness, especially that of the self.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Bill,
Funny! Einstein clearly states that he agrees with me and Buddha
...Bill!
to bring
you to that one, instantaneous experience.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Bill!,
No, no, don't elevate me, or my awakening. Mine was average, as all of ours
must be. ;-)
I've gone over the same ground several times, too: Multiple
...Bill!
not to) form
attachments to them.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 bill...if we did not have dreams... where would we be?...surely you have
dreams that come true...merle
Â
Merle,
Yes, dreams and predictions are delusions
Suresh,
I believe YOU are responsible for the actions taking place in the world right
now...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, SURESH JAGADEESAN varamtha@... wrote:
Five Samaväya- (Five Causes)Introduction: Who is responsible for the
actions taking place in this world? Hegel said
, and talking Zen
is also true Zen.
~ Kyudo Nakagawa Roshi
...Bill!
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to 'clean my bowls' and keeps them relatively
unsullied, but they are not completely spotless - yet.
Your awakening must have been more complete than mine.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Bill!,
No, I don't think so.
Awakening is awakening
it is through Buddha Nature that we can find/experience (not 'know')
reality.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, uerusuboyo@... wrote:
Bill!,br/br/I agree with this. Also, Reality can only be found/known in
human nature.br/br/Mikebr/br/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
.
Can you?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Bill,
I understand what you are saying but you are wrong. For example it is
possible to determine the shape of a space from inside that space by
measuring what the angles of triangles add up to. You
.
I hope you appreciate the difference...
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Merle,
You don't get the depths of Bill's delusions.
Bill truly believes only HE exists and you and I are delusions, figments of
HIS imagination. This solipsistic
the rest.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
I could quote some old story about the red bearded one, but I'll wager he
partially agrees with me when it's his day again.
Anyway, aside from my whining about your writing, do you actually believe
Bill
Mike,
Yes! That's what I just call 'sentient beings'. Sentient beings have
'body-mind', but I'd have to qualify the word 'mind' in that phrase to mean
'Big Mind' or Buddha Nature. The 'little mind' is the human intellect.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, uerusuboyo@... wrote
Nature.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 bill...you have a problem with human nature?... merle
Â
Mike,
I disagree that Reality can only be found/known in human nature.
First of all that would mean that only humans can find/know
. Therefore, it is necessary to cast
aside all other concerns and train yourself to focus the entirety of your
attention on the tasteless hwadu* alone.
~ Kusan Sunim (1909-1983)
*'hwadu is roughly the Korean Zen equivelent of the Japanese Zen 'koan'.
...Bill
to project that logic
into our experiences to create perceptions.
Reality is indeed incontrovertible because it is entirely experiential and not
something subject to logic or emotions or other whims of Human Nature.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Bill
Merle,
Yes, dreams and predictions are delusions especially when they are perceived to
have come true.
And for the 437th time...only experience (sensual) is real IMO.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 bill..so what about dreams
Merle,
Do you think your perception of 'self' as something distinct and different from
everything else is real?
If you do, then you are justified in thinking my statement is crazy.
If you don't, then I am just agreeing with you.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester
- or as Mike would say 'relative' point-of-view.
I generally speak from a monistic point-of-view - or as Mike would say the
'absolute' point-of-view.
That's about it from my perspective...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 bill..i see what you
Merle,
Thanks for correcting my perception.
And I have now looked at a synopsis of The Time Keeper. It sounds mildly
interesting but I don't think I'll be reading it any time soon.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 bill...pay attention
Merle,
Buddha Nature and Human Nature working hand-in-hand is the purpose of zen
practice.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
bill
 would not human nature and buddha nature work hand in hand... buddha after
all was human..merle
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Merle
Merle,
IMO only experience is real, and by that 'experience' I mean sensory experience
(sight, sound, touch, smell, taste).
That's it. That's all.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 bill..thank you for your clarification...so what
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