Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Boot Disk

2006-08-15 Thread Dick Davies
On 15/08/06, Lori Alt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Brian Hechinger wrote: > On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 02:26:24PM -0600, Lori Alt wrote: > >>>What about Express? >> >>Probably not any time soon. If it makes U4, >>I think that would make it available in Express late >>this year. > > > Is there a speci

[zfs-discuss] zpool import/export

2006-08-15 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello zfs-discuss, I do have several pools in a SAN shared environment where some pools are mounted by one server and some by another. Now I can do 'zpool export A B C D' But I can't do 'zpool import A B C D' import -a isn't an option since I want import only those pools I just expor

[zfs-discuss] zpool import - cannot mount [...] directory is not empty

2006-08-15 Thread Robert Milkowski
All pools were exported than I tried to import one-by-one and got this with only a first pool. bash-3.00# zpool export nfs-s5-p4 nfs-s5-s5 nfs-s5-s6 nfs-s5-s7 nfs-s5-s8 bash-3.00# zpool import nfs-s5-p4 cannot mount '/nfs-s5-p4/d5139': directory is not empty cannot mount '/nfs-s5-p4/d5141': direc

[zfs-discuss] Re: Query on ZFS

2006-08-15 Thread Jaganraj Janarthanan
Hi Eric, Customer had come back saying. I've tried this and it doesn't work. It still displays the size as 1 gig after saying it's bringing the lun back online. Kindly advise. Thanks Jaganraj.J Eric Schrock wrote On 08/15/06 20:49,: [ For ZFS discussions, try 'zfs-discuss@opensolari

Re: [zfs-discuss] commercial backup software and zfs

2006-08-15 Thread Mark Shellenbaum
Kevin Maguire wrote: Hi Is the following an accurate sstatment of the current status with (for me) the 3 main commercial ackup software solutions out there (1) Legato Networker - support coming in 7.3.2 patch due soon. Until then backups of ZFS filesystems wont work at all as the acl(8) call

Re: [zfs-discuss] Proposal: zfs create -o

2006-08-15 Thread Eric Schrock
This was part of my original (unpublished) proposal, but deferred it for a few reasons: - We have discussed the possiblity of introducing pool-wide properties for a variety of reasons (such as background scrubbing intervals). I thought it best to delay dealing with the confluence of these opt

Re: [zfs-discuss] Proposal: zfs create -o

2006-08-15 Thread Daniel Rock
Eric Schrock schrieb: This RFE is also required for crypto support, as the encryption algorithm must be known when the filesystem is created It also has the benefit of cleaning up the implementation of other creation-time properties (volsize and volblocksize) that were previously special cases.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Proposal: zfs create -o

2006-08-15 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 06:12:47PM -0400, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: > On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 12:47 -0700, Eric Schrock wrote: > > > The copy-on-write nature of ZFS makes this extremely difficult, > > particularly w.r.t. to snapshots. That's not to say it can't be solved, > > only that it won't be sol

[zfs-discuss] commercial backup software and zfs

2006-08-15 Thread Kevin Maguire
Hi Is the following an accurate sstatment of the current status with (for me) the 3 main commercial ackup software solutions out there (1) Legato Networker - support coming in 7.3.2 patch due soon. Until then backups of ZFS filesystems wont work at all as the acl(8) calls will fail. But will

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Boot Disk

2006-08-15 Thread Lori Alt
Brian Hechinger wrote: On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 02:26:24PM -0600, Lori Alt wrote: What about Express? Probably not any time soon. If it makes U4, I think that would make it available in Express late this year. Is there a specific Nevada build you are going to target? I'd love to start tes

Re: [zfs-discuss] Proposal: zfs create -o

2006-08-15 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 12:47 -0700, Eric Schrock wrote: > The copy-on-write nature of ZFS makes this extremely difficult, > particularly w.r.t. to snapshots. That's not to say it can't be solved, > only that it won't be solved in the near term (i.e. within the next > year). The timeframe for ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: user quotas vs filesystem quotas?

2006-08-15 Thread Richard Elling - PAE
Peter Bortas wrote: On 8/15/06, David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8/15/06, Richard Elling - PAE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This can be configured with the local mail delivery agent. You could even > put incoming mail in someone's $HOME, however that isn't always a good idea.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: user quotas vs filesystem quotas?

2006-08-15 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On 8/15/06, Frank Cusack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On August 15, 2006 2:37:27 PM -0500 David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oy, Kerberos. Never heard of any place that actually *uses* it, and Lots of places use it. Intellectually, I'm sure that's true -- because that much work w

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: user quotas vs filesystem quotas?

2006-08-15 Thread Frank Cusack
Getting way off-topic, but here goes ... On August 15, 2006 12:33:01 PM -0700 "Anton B. Rang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Delivering into $HOME raises some new failure modes if the home directory servers are NFS mounted, but otherwise often works OK. However, in some cases it's simply impossibl

Re: [zfs-discuss] Proposal: zfs create -o

2006-08-15 Thread Eric Schrock
On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 02:57:50PM -0400, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: > > I'm deeply concerned about this requirement -- in short, basic > principles of crypto hygene require both key and algorithm agility, and > if you can't change this after creation, the ability of ZFS to resist > cryptographic atta

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: user quotas vs filesystem quotas?

2006-08-15 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On 8/15/06, Peter Bortas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8/15/06, David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/15/06, Richard Elling - PAE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This can be configured with the local mail delivery agent. You could even > > put incoming mail in someone's $HOME, how

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: user quotas vs filesystem quotas?

2006-08-15 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On 8/15/06, Anton B. Rang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Delivering into $HOME raises some new failure modes if the home directory servers are NFS mounted, but otherwise often works OK. However, in some cases it's simply impossible--for instance, in a secure NFS environment where the home director

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: user quotas vs filesystem quotas?

2006-08-15 Thread Peter Bortas
On 8/15/06, David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8/15/06, Richard Elling - PAE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This can be configured with the local mail delivery agent. You could even > put incoming mail in someone's $HOME, however that isn't always a good idea. I've run across system

[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: user quotas vs filesystem quotas?

2006-08-15 Thread Anton B. Rang
Delivering into $HOME raises some new failure modes if the home directory servers are NFS mounted, but otherwise often works OK. However, in some cases it's simply impossible--for instance, in a secure NFS environment where the home directory can't be mounted without a Kerberos ticket. I think

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Boot Disk

2006-08-15 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 02:26:24PM -0600, Lori Alt wrote: > >What about Express? > Probably not any time soon. If it makes U4, > I think that would make it available in Express late > this year. Is there a specific Nevada build you are going to target? I'd love to start testing this as soon as

Re: [zfs-discuss] Proposal: zfs create -o

2006-08-15 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
> This RFE is also required for crypto support, as the encryption > algorithm must be known when the filesystem is created. I'm deeply concerned about this requirement -- in short, basic principles of crypto hygene require both key and algorithm agility, and if you can't change this after creatio

Re: [zfs-discuss] Proposal: zfs create -o

2006-08-15 Thread Ed Gould
Brian Hechinger wrote: Could you "mix and match" by keeping the current style assuming there are no -o options present? # zfs create pool/fs If you need to specify options, then they should all be options: # zfs create -o name=pool/fs -o mountpoint=/bar -o etc I would be tempted to have two

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: user quotas vs filesystem quotas?

2006-08-15 Thread Frank Cusack
On August 15, 2006 12:03:17 PM -0500 David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8/15/06, Richard Elling - PAE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This can be configured with the local mail delivery agent. You could even put incoming mail in someone's $HOME, however that isn't always a good idea.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: user quotas vs filesystem quotas?

2006-08-15 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On 8/15/06, Richard Elling - PAE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This can be configured with the local mail delivery agent. You could even put incoming mail in someone's $HOME, however that isn't always a good idea. I've run across systems that don't deliver into $HOME, and it always ends up leadi

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: user quotas vs filesystem quotas?

2006-08-15 Thread Richard Elling - PAE
Anton B. Rang wrote: One problem with this approach is that software expects /var/mail to be full of files, not directories, for each user. I don't think you can get the right semantics out of ZFS for this yet (loopback mounting a file comes to mind, but breaks down if something tries to delet

Re: [zfs-discuss] Question on Zones and memory usage (65120349)

2006-08-15 Thread Irma Garcia
Hello All, Here is customer's reply: I guess since the zones we are working with are running /acting as Oracle 10 database servers, the 100% memory usage prstat is not accurate. Also, from the text below it seems that rcapd is not the way to go to segregate memory in zones and to wait for LDOMs w

[zfs-discuss] Re: user quotas vs filesystem quotas?

2006-08-15 Thread Anton B. Rang
One problem with this approach is that software expects /var/mail to be full of files, not directories, for each user. I don't think you can get the right semantics out of ZFS for this yet (loopback mounting a file comes to mind, but breaks down if something tries to delete the user's mailbox w

[zfs-discuss] Re: Design Details for 6343653

2006-08-15 Thread Anton B. Rang
I would suggest taking a version of approach (1), myself. Rather than special-casing ZFS, we could issue a VOP_CROSS_RENAME (or some such call) if the source and destination directory were on different file systems implemented by the same filesystem module. If this returned failure (e.g. the EN

Re: [zfs-discuss] Design Details for 6343653

2006-08-15 Thread James C. McPherson
Jeremy Teo wrote: Hello, this is with reference to bug #6343653, "want to quickly "copy" a file from a snapshot". After a short dig through source code, the issue is that 'mv' will do a copy because the rename syscall fails for files on different filesystems (snapshots are mounted as separate f

[zfs-discuss] Design Details for 6343653

2006-08-15 Thread Jeremy Teo
Hello, this is with reference to bug #6343653, "want to quickly "copy" a file from a snapshot". After a short dig through source code, the issue is that 'mv' will do a copy because the rename syscall fails for files on different filesystems (snapshots are mounted as separate filesystems from the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Proposal: zfs create -o

2006-08-15 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 08:56:00PM +0930, Darren J Moffat wrote: > Eric Schrock wrote: > > >This case adds a new option, 'zfs create -o', which allows for any ZFS > >property to be set at creation time. Multiple '-o' options can appear > >in the same subcommand. Specifying the same property mult

[zfs-discuss] Re: user quotas vs filesystem quotas?

2006-08-15 Thread Shawn Walker
> The other filesystem is /var/mail on my mail server. > I've traditionally > un (big) user quotas in mailboxes just to keep some > malicious > emailer from filling up /var/mail, maybe. The > notion of having > one zfs filesystem per mailbox seems unwieldy, just > to run quotas > per user. It s