[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: zfs boot image conversion kit is posted

A virtual machine can be thought of as a physical machine with the hardware removed. ;-) To set up a VMware virtual machine, for instance, you'd just (a) start with a VM with a blank disk, (b) install OpenSolaris, (c) configure as desired. I think this is all the original poster is suggesting.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Permanently removing vdevs from a pool

This is a high priority for us and is actively being worked. Vague enough for you. :-) Sorry I can't give you anything more exact that that. - George Matty wrote: On 4/19/07, Mark J Musante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Mario Goebbels wrote: > Is it possible to gracefully

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Preferred backup mechanism for ZFS?

On 4/20/07, Robert Milkowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You can limit how much memory zfs can use for its caching. Indeed, but that memory will still be locked. How can you tell the system to be "flexible" with the caching? I deem that archiving will not present a cache challenge but we will

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Preferred backup mechanism for ZFS?

Hello Wee, Friday, April 20, 2007, 4:50:08 AM, you wrote: WYT> Hi Tim, WYT> I run a setup of SAM-FS for our main file server and we loved the WYT> backup/restore parts that you described. WYT> The main concerns I have with SAM fronting the entire conversation is WYT> data integrity. Unlike ZFS

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Experience with Promise Tech. arrays/jbod's?

Hello Frank, Friday, April 20, 2007, 4:50:07 AM, you wrote: FC> On April 19, 2007 4:45:20 PM -0700 Marion Hakanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> FC> wrote: >> - VTrak can take SATA disks; ST-2500 lists only 15k rpm SAS disks. FC> I'd be surprised (and disappointed) if the 2500 can't accept a SATA disk.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Experience with Promise Tech. arrays/jbod's?

On April 19, 2007 4:45:20 PM -0700 Marion Hakanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - VTrak can take SATA disks; ST-2500 lists only 15k rpm SAS disks. I'd be surprised (and disappointed) if the 2500 can't accept a SATA disk. Thanks for the SAS HBA and SAS MPXIO information. Now, anyone have any

Re: [zfs-discuss] Preferred backup mechanism for ZFS?

Hi Tim, I run a setup of SAM-FS for our main file server and we loved the backup/restore parts that you described. The main concerns I have with SAM fronting the entire conversation is data integrity. Unlike ZFS, SAMFS does not do end to end checksumming. We have considered the setup you propo

[zfs-discuss] Re: Cheap Array Enclosure for ZFS pool?

We've used enclosures manufactured by Xyratex (http://www.xyratex.com/). Several RAID vendors have used these disk in their systems. One reseller is listed below (the one we used got bought out). I've been very happy with these enclosures and a Qlogic HBA. As we have retired some of the RAID

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: zfs boot image conversion kit is posted

Hello Brian, Friday, April 20, 2007, 3:20:03 AM, you wrote: BH> On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 08:55:24PM -0400, Jim Mauro wrote: >> Building a virtual machine on a zpool would require that the host >> operating system supports ZFS. An example here would be our BH> This is not true. See below. >> It

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: zfs boot image conversion kit is posted

On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 08:55:24PM -0400, Jim Mauro wrote: > > Server is an example of this (although some argue it is not, since > technically there's an ESX kernel that runs on the hardware in > support of the VMM). So And that kernel is linux, so.. ;) > Building a virtual machine on

Re: [zfs-discuss] Experience with Promise Tech. arrays/jbod's?

James W. Abendschan wrote: On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, James C. McPherson wrote: Richard Elling wrote: ... Nice catch... timing is everything :-) I'll infer from this that the SAS HBA from Sun is based on the mpt driver which works with LSI controllers. yes. As of Solaris 10 update 2, this combo d

Re: [zfs-discuss] Experience with Promise Tech. arrays/jbod's?

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, James C. McPherson wrote: > Richard Elling wrote: > ... > > Nice catch... timing is everything :-) > > I'll infer from this that the SAS HBA from Sun is based on the mpt > > driver which works with LSI controllers. > > yes. As of Solaris 10 update 2, this combo did -not- work

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: zfs boot image conversion kit is posted

I'm not sure I understand the question. Virtual machines are built by either running a virtualization technology in a host operating systems, such as running VMware Workstation in Linux, running Parallels in Mac OS X, Linux or Windows, etc. These are sometimes referred to as Type II VMMs, where t

Re: [zfs-discuss] Experience with Promise Tech. arrays/jbod's?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > The scsi_vhci multipathing driver doesn't just work with Sun's FC stack, it > also works with SAS (at least, it does in snv_63 and ... soon .. with patches > for s10). Yes, it's nice to see that's coming; And that FC & SAS are "the same". But I'm at S10U3 right now. >

Re: [zfs-discuss] Experience with Promise Tech. arrays/jbod's?

Marion Hakanson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This looks similar to the recently announced Sun StorageTek 2500 Low Cost Array product line. http://www.sun.com/storagetek/disk_systems/workgroup/2500/ Wonder how I missed those. Oh, probably because you can't see them on store.sun.com/shop.sun.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Experience with Promise Tech. arrays/jbod's?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > This looks similar to the recently announced Sun StorageTek 2500 Low Cost > Array product line. http://www.sun.com/storagetek/disk_systems/workgroup/2500/ Wonder how I missed those. Oh, probably because you can't see them on store.sun.com/shop.sun.com. On papger, there

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Experience with Promise Tech. arrays/jbod's?

Hello James, Friday, April 20, 2007, 12:53:04 AM, you wrote: JCM> Robert Milkowski wrote: JCM> ... >> RE> multi-path support is coming later (sorry, I don't know the details) >> >> MPxIO for SAS went into b63 - see >> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2007041203/ >> >

Re: [zfs-discuss] Experience with Promise Tech. arrays/jbod's?

Richard Elling wrote: ... Nice catch... timing is everything :-) I'll infer from this that the SAS HBA from Sun is based on the mpt driver which works with LSI controllers. yes. James C. McPherson -- Solaris kernel software engineer Sun Microsystems __

Re: [zfs-discuss] Experience with Promise Tech. arrays/jbod's?

Robert Milkowski wrote: ... RE> multi-path support is coming later (sorry, I don't know the details) MPxIO for SAS went into b63 - see http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/pages/2007041203/ Now the question is if it will make s10u4? We're working on that right now. The backp

Re: [zfs-discuss] Experience with Promise Tech. arrays/jbod's?

Robert Milkowski wrote: RE> This looks similar to the recently announced Sun StorageTek 2500 Low Cost RE> Array product line. RE> http://www.sun.com/storagetek/disk_systems/workgroup/2500/ RE> multi-path support is coming later (sorry, I don't know the details) MPxIO for SAS went into b63 - see

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Experience with Promise Tech. arrays/jbod's?

Hello Richard, Thursday, April 19, 2007, 10:41:58 PM, you wrote: RE> Marion Hakanson wrote: >> In looking for inexpensive JBOD and/or RAID solutions to use with ZFS, I've >> run across the recent "VTrak" SAS/SATA systems from Promise Technologies, >> specifically their E-class and J-class series:

[zfs-discuss] Re: LZO compression?

please be cautious with this benchmarks and don`t make early decisions based on this. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] LZO compression?

Ricardo Correia wrote: > |compression |time-real |time-user |time-sys |compressratio > -- > |lzo |6m39.603s |0m1.288s |0m6.055s |2.99x > |gzip |7m46.875s |0m1.275s |0m6.312s |3.41x > |lzjb |7m7.600s |0m1

Re: [zfs-discuss] LZO compression?

Forwarding some simple benchmarks, just to peek your curiosity. Very interesting results. Original Message Subject: [zfs-fuse] probably some better numbers ;) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:07:31 +0200 From: roland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [zfs-discuss] Experience with Promise Tech. arrays/jbod's?

Marion Hakanson wrote: In looking for inexpensive JBOD and/or RAID solutions to use with ZFS, I've run across the recent "VTrak" SAS/SATA systems from Promise Technologies, specifically their E-class and J-class series: E310f FC-connected RAID: http://www.promise.com/product/product_detail_eng

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: zfs boot image conversion kit is posted

I was hoping that someone more well-versed in virtual machines would respond to this so I wouldn't have to show my ignorance, but no such luck, so here goes: Is it even possible to build a virtual machine out of a zfs storage pool? Note that it isn't just zfs as a root file system we're trying o

Re: [zfs-discuss] Permanently removing vdevs from a pool

Mario, Until zpool remove is available, you don't have any options to remove a disk from a non-redundant pool. Currently, you can: - replace or detach a disk in a ZFS mirrored storage pool - replace a disk in a ZFS RAID-Z storage pool Please see the ZFS best practices site for more info about

[zfs-discuss] Re: Testing of UFS, VxFS and ZFS

To give you fine people an update, it seems that the reason for the skewed results shown earlier is due to Veritas' ability to take advantage of all the free memory available on my server. My test system has 32G of Ram, and my test data file is 10G. Basically, Veritas was able to cache the entir

Re: [zfs-discuss] Permanently removing vdevs from a pool

On Thu, 2007-04-19 at 11:59 -0700, Mario Goebbels wrote: > Is it possible to gracefully and permanently remove a vdev from a pool > without data loss? Not yet. But it's on lots of people's wishlists, there's an open RFE, and members of the zfs team have said on this list that they're working on

Re: [zfs-discuss] Permanently removing vdevs from a pool

On 4/19/07, Mark J Musante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Mario Goebbels wrote: > Is it possible to gracefully and permanently remove a vdev from a pool > without data loss? Is this what you're looking for? http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=4852783 If so,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Permanently removing vdevs from a pool

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Mario Goebbels wrote: > Is it possible to gracefully and permanently remove a vdev from a pool > without data loss? Is this what you're looking for? http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=4852783 If so, the answer is 'not yet'. Regards, markm __

[zfs-discuss] Permanently removing vdevs from a pool

Is it possible to gracefully and permanently remove a vdev from a pool without data loss? The type of pool in question here is a simple pool without redundancies (i.e. JBOD). The documentation mentions for instance offlining, but without going into the end results of doing that. The thing I'm lo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Preferred backup mechanism for ZFS?

Dennis Clarke wrote: So now here we are ten years later with a new filesystem and I have no way to back it up in such a fashion that I can restore it perfectly. I can take snapshots. I can do a strange send and receive but the process is not stable From zfs (1M) we see : The format of the st

[zfs-discuss] Experience with Promise Tech. arrays/jbod's?

Greetings, In looking for inexpensive JBOD and/or RAID solutions to use with ZFS, I've run across the recent "VTrak" SAS/SATA systems from Promise Technologies, specifically their E-class and J-class series: E310f FC-connected RAID: http://www.promise.com/product/product_detail_eng.asp?product_

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Preferred backup mechanism for ZFS?

Hello Nicolas, Wednesday, April 18, 2007, 10:12:17 PM, you wrote: NW> On Wed, Apr 18, 2007 at 03:47:55PM -0400, Dennis Clarke wrote: >> Maybe with a definition of what a "backup" is and then some way to >> achieve it. As far as I know the only real backup is one that can be >> tossed into a vault

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS disables nfs/server on a host

It does seem like an ordering problem, but nfs/server should be starting up late enough with SMF dependencies. I need to see if I can duplicate the problem on a test system... This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zf

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Multi-tera, small-file filesystems

Hello Aknin, Thursday, April 19, 2007, 7:20:26 AM, you wrote: > Hi Robert, thanks for the information. I understand from your words that you're more worried about overall filesystem size rather than the number of files, yes? Is the number of files  something I should or should not worry

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS boot: 3 smaller glitches with console, /etc/dfs/sharetab and /dev/random

Constantin Gonzalez Schmitz wrote: 2. After going through the zfs-bootification, Solaris complains on reboot that /etc/dfs/sharetab is missing. Somehow this seems to have been fallen through the cracks of the find command. Well, touching /etc/dfs/sharetab just fixes the issue. This is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Bottlenecks in building a system

additional comments below... Adam Lindsay wrote: In asking about ZFS performance in streaming IO situations, discussion quite quickly turned to potential bottlenecks. By coincidence, I was wondering about the same thing. Richard Elling said: We know that channels, controllers, memory, networ

Re: [zfs-discuss] Preferred backup mechanism for ZFS?

Hi Robert no, SAM-FS does not work with ZFS, it is still tied to QFS i.e. the SAM piece cannot archive data straight out of a ZFS file system. I am a big fan of SAM-FS so forgive me if I expand a little on the topic... The way a solution like this would work is that you would build a SAM-FS

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Multi-tera, small-file filesystems

Yaniv Aknin wrote: I understand from your words that you're more worried about overall filesystem size rather than the number of files, yes? Is the number of files something I should or should not worry about? i.e., what are the differences (in stability, recoverability, performance, manageab

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool status -v

eric kustarz wrote: > Two reasons: > 1) cluttered the output (as the path name is variable length). We > could perhaps add another flag (-V or -vv or something) to display the > ranges. > 2) i wasn't convinced that output was useful, especially to most > users/admins. > > If we did provide the ran

Re: [zfs-discuss] Bottlenecks in building a system

Nicholas Lee wrote: On 4/19/07, *Adam Lindsay* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 16x hot swap SATAII hard drives (plus an internal boot drive) Tyan S2895 (K8WE) motherboard Dual GigE (integral nVidia ports) 2x Areca 8-port PCIe (8-lane) RAID drivers 2x AM

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Preferred backup mechanism for ZFS?

Hello Tim, Thursday, April 19, 2007, 10:32:53 AM, you wrote: TT> Hi TT> This is a bit off topic...but as Bill mentioned SAM-FS...my job at Sun TT> is working in a group focused on ISV's in the archiving space (Symantec TT> Enterprise Vault, Open Text LEA, CA Message Manager, FileNet, Mobius, T

RE: [zfs-discuss] ZFS disables nfs/server on a host

I have seen a previous discussion with the same error. I don't think a solution was posted though. The libzfs_mount.c source indicates that the 'share' command returned non zero but specified no error. Can you run 'share' manually after a fresh boot? There may be some insight if it fails, though

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool status -v

On Apr 19, 2007, at 1:38 AM, Ricardo Correia wrote: Why doesn't "zpool status -v" display the byte ranges of permanent errors anymore, like it used to (before snv_57)? I think it was a useful feature. For example, I have a pool with 17 permanent errors in 2 files with 700 MB each, but no abili

Re: [zfs-discuss] Bottlenecks in building a system

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam: Does anyone have a clue as to where the bottlenecks are going to be with this: 16x hot swap SATAII hard drives (plus an internal boot drive) Tyan S2895 (K8WE) motherboard Dual GigE (integral nVidia ports) 2x Areca 8-port PCIe (8-lane) RAID drivers 2x AMD Opteron

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS disables nfs/server on a host

Could it be an order problem? NFS trying to start before zfs is mounted? Just a guess, of course. I'm not real savvy in either realm. HTH, Mike Ben Miller wrote: I have an Ultra 10 client running Sol10 U3 that has a zfs pool set up on the extra space of the internal ide disk. There's just

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS boot: 3 smaller glitches with console, /etc/dfs/sharetab and /dev/random

Constantin Gonzalez Schmitz wrote: 2. After going through the zfs-bootification, Solaris complains on reboot that /etc/dfs/sharetab is missing. Somehow this seems to have been fallen through the cracks of the find command. Well, touching /etc/dfs/sharetab just fixes the issue. shareta

[zfs-discuss] ZFS boot: 3 smaller glitches with console, /etc/dfs/sharetab and /dev/random

Hi, I've now gone through both the opensolaris instructions: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/boot/zfsboot-manual/ and Tim Foster's script: http://blogs.sun.com/timf/entry/zfs_bootable_datasets_happily_rumbling for making my laptop ZFS bootable. Both work well and here's a big

[zfs-discuss] ZFS disables nfs/server on a host

I have an Ultra 10 client running Sol10 U3 that has a zfs pool set up on the extra space of the internal ide disk. There's just the one fs and it is shared with the sharenfs property. When this system reboots nfs/server ends up getting disabled and this is the error from the SMF logs: [ Apr 1

Re: [zfs-discuss] Preferred backup mechanism for ZFS?

"Dennis Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't believe that there are any good/useful solutions which are free > > that will store both the data and all the potential meta-data in the > > filesystem in a recoverable way. > > I think that star ( Joerg Schilling ) has a good grasp on all th

Re: [zfs-discuss] Preferred backup mechanism for ZFS?

Nicolas Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "zfs send" as backup is probably not generally acceptable: you can't > expect to extract a single file out of it (at least not out of an > incremental zfs send), but that's certainly done routinely with ufsdump, > tar, cpio, ... Then an incremental st

Re: [zfs-discuss] Preferred backup mechanism for ZFS?

"Dennis Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The format of the stream is evolving. No backwards compati- > bility is guaranteed. You may not be able to receive your > streams on future versions of ZFS. This is a good point even if your claim on ZFSs "send/receive" format may be

[zfs-discuss] zpool list and df -k difference

Hi gurus, CU getting differences between zpool list and df -k : Fresh creation of ZFS pool based on 46 465GB disks gives the following : # df -k : 14TB # zpool list : 20.5TB -=-=-=-=- ccxrdsn002 -=-=-=-=- ccxrdsn002_root# zpool status ;echo; zpool list; echo ;df -k /xrootd pool: xrootd state: ONL

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Linux

Erblichs wrote: Joerg Schilling, Stepping back into the tech discussion. If we want a port of ZFS to Linux to begin, SHOULD the kitchen sink approach be abandoned for the 1.0 release?? For later releases, dropped functionality could be added in. Suggeste

Re: [zfs-discuss] Preferred backup mechanism for ZFS?

Hi This is a bit off topic...but as Bill mentioned SAM-FS...my job at Sun is working in a group focused on ISV's in the archiving space (Symantec Enterprise Vault, Open Text LEA, CA Message Manager, FileNet, Mobius, AXS-One etc etc)...we see a strong interest from some of them in using SAM-F