Re: [zfs-discuss] Server Cloning With ZFS?

2009-06-18 Thread Fajar A. Nugraha
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Dave Ringkorno-re...@opensolaris.org wrote: But what if I used zfs send to save a recursive snapshot of my root pool on the old server, booted my new server (with the same architecture) from the DVD in single user mode and created a ZFS pool on its local

Re: [zfs-discuss] compression at zfs filesystem creation

2009-06-18 Thread Haudy Kazemi
Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Haudy Kazemi wrote: usable with very little CPU consumed. If the system is dedicated to serving files rather than also being used interactively, it should not matter much what the CPU usage is. CPU cycles can't be stored for later use. Ultimately,

Re: [zfs-discuss] APPLE: ZFS need bug corrections instead of new func! Or?

2009-06-18 Thread Bogdan M. Maryniuk
2009/6/18 Timh Bergström timh.bergst...@diino.net: USB-sticks has proven a bad idea with zfs mirrors I think, USB sticks is bad idea for mirrors in general... :-) ZFS on iSCSI *is* flaky OK, so what is the status of your bugreport about this? Was ignored or just rejected?.. Flaming people on

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs on 32 bit?

2009-06-18 Thread Casper . Dik
yeah. many of those ARM systems will be low-power builtin-crypto-accel builtin-gigabit-MAC based on Orion and similar, NAS (NSLU2-ish) things begging for ZFS. So what's the boot environment they use? cd It's true for most of the Intel Atom family (Zxxx and Nxxx but cd not the 230 and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Using single SSD for l2arc on multiple pools?

2009-06-18 Thread Mertol Ozyoney
Hi Joseph ; You cant share SSDs between pools (at least for today) unless you slice. Also it's better to use 2x SSD's for L2 ARC as depending on your system there can be slight limitations of using one SSD. Best regards Mertol Mertol Ozyoney Storage Practice - Sales Manager Sun

Re: [zfs-discuss] APPLE: ZFS need bug corrections instead of new func! Or?

2009-06-18 Thread Timh Bergström
Den 18 juni 2009 09.42 skrev Bogdan M. Maryniukbogdan.maryn...@gmail.com: ZFS on iSCSI *is* flaky OK, so what is the status of your bugreport about this? Was ignored or just rejected?.. No bug report because I don't think it's the file systems fault, and why bother when disappearing vdevs

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS: Re-Propragate inheritable ACL permissions

2009-06-18 Thread Andreas Kuechler
Hi Cindy and Christo, this is a good example of how useless ZFS ACLs are. Nobody understands how to use them! Please note in Cindy's examples above: You can not use file_inherit on files. Inheritance can only be set on directories. Depending on the zfs aclinherit mode, the result may not be

Re: [zfs-discuss] compression at zfs filesystem creation

2009-06-18 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Haudy Kazemi wrote: for text data, LZJB compression had negligible performance benefits (task times were unchanged or marginally better) and less storage space was consumed (1.47:1). for media data, LZJB compression had negligible performance benefits (task times were

[zfs-discuss] 7110 questions

2009-06-18 Thread Dan Pritts
Hi all, (down to the wire here on EDU grant pricing :) i'm looking at buying a pair of 7110's in the EDU grant sale. The price is sure right. I'd use them in a mirrored, cold-failover config. I'd primarily be using them to serve a vmware cluster; the current config is two standalone ESX

Re: [zfs-discuss] problems with l2arc in 2009.06

2009-06-18 Thread Rob Logan
correct ratio of arc to l2arc? from http://blogs.sun.com/brendan/entry/l2arc_screenshots It costs some DRAM to reference the L2ARC, at a rate proportional to record size. For example, it currently takes about 15 Gbytes of DRAM to reference 600 Gbytes of L2ARC - at an 8 Kbyte ZFS record size.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Lots of metadata overhead on filesystems with 100M files

2009-06-18 Thread Louis Romero
hi Dirk, How might we explain running find on a linux client to an NFS mounted file system under the 7000 taking significantly longer (i.e. performance behaving as though the command was run from Solaris?) Not sure if find would have the intelligence to differentiate between file system

Re: [zfs-discuss] Lots of metadata overhead on filesystems with 100M files

2009-06-18 Thread Cor Beumer - Storage Solution Architect
Hi Jose, Well it depends on the total size of your Zpool and how often these files are changed. I was at a customer an huge internet provider, who had 40x an X4500 with Standard solaris and using ZFS. All the machines were equiped with 48x 1TB disks. The machines were used to provide the

Re: [zfs-discuss] APPLE: ZFS need bug corrections instead of new func! Or?

2009-06-18 Thread Miles Nordin
bmm == Bogdan M Maryniuk bogdan.maryn...@gmail.com writes: tt == Toby Thain t...@telegraphics.com.au writes: bmm That's why I think that speaking My $foo crashes therefore it bmm is all crap is bad idea: either help to fix it or just don't bmm use it, First, people are allowed to

Re: [zfs-discuss] problems with l2arc in 2009.06

2009-06-18 Thread Ethan Erchinger
correct ratio of arc to l2arc? from http://blogs.sun.com/brendan/entry/l2arc_screenshots Thanks Rob. Hmm...that ratio isn't awesome. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] 7110 questions

2009-06-18 Thread Adam Leventhal
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:51:44AM -0400, Dan Pritts wrote: I'm curious about a couple things that would be unsupported. Specifically, whether they are not supported if they have specifically been crippled in the software. We have not crippled the software in any way, but we have designed an

Re: [zfs-discuss] Lots of metadata overhead on filesystems with 100M files

2009-06-18 Thread Richard Elling
Cor Beumer - Storage Solution Architect wrote: Hi Jose, Well it depends on the total size of your Zpool and how often these files are changed. ...and the average size of the files. For small files, it is likely that the default recordsize will not be optimal, for several reasons. Are

[zfs-discuss] ZFS metadata and cloning filesystem layout across machines

2009-06-18 Thread Nikhil
Hey ZFS experts, Where is the ZFS metadata stored under? Can it be viewed through some commands? Here is my requirement: I have a machine with lots of ZFS filesystems on it under couple of zpools and there is this another new machine with empty disks, what I want now is the similar layout of

Re: [zfs-discuss] problems with l2arc in 2009.06

2009-06-18 Thread Richard Elling
Ethan Erchinger wrote: correct ratio of arc to l2arc? from http://blogs.sun.com/brendan/entry/l2arc_screenshots Thanks Rob. Hmm...that ratio isn't awesome. TANSTAAFL A good SWAG is about 200 bytes for L2ARC directory in the ARC for each record in the L2ARC. So if your recordsize

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS metadata and cloning filesystem layout across machines

2009-06-18 Thread Henrik Hjort
Hi Nikhil, take a look at the output from 'zpool history'. You should get/see all the information you need to be able to recreate your configuration. http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5461/gdswe?a=view Cheers, Henrik On Jun 18, 2009, at 8:47 PM, Nikhil wrote: Hey ZFS experts, Where

Re: [zfs-discuss] 7110 questions

2009-06-18 Thread lawrence ho
We have a 7110 on try and buy program. We tried using the 7110 with XEN Server 5 over iSCSI and NFS. Nothing seems to solve the slow write problem. Within the VM, we observed around 8MB/s on writes. Read performance is fantastic. Some troubleshooting was done with local SUN rep. The

Re: [zfs-discuss] Lots of metadata overhead on filesystems with 100M files

2009-06-18 Thread Gary Mills
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:12:16PM +0200, Cor Beumer - Storage Solution Architect wrote: What they noticed on the the X4500 systems, that when the zpool became filled up for about 50-60% the performance of the system did drop enormously. They do claim this has to do with the fragmentation

Re: [zfs-discuss] Server Cloning With ZFS?

2009-06-18 Thread Cindy . Swearingen
Hi Dave, Until the ZFS/flash support integrates into an upcoming Solaris 10 release, I don't think we have an easy way to clone a root pool/dataset from one system to another system because system specific info is still maintained. Your manual solution sounds plausible but probably won't work

Re: [zfs-discuss] APPLE: ZFS need bug corrections instead of new func! Or?

2009-06-18 Thread Toby Thain
On 18-Jun-09, at 12:14 PM, Miles Nordin wrote: bmm == Bogdan M Maryniuk bogdan.maryn...@gmail.com writes: tt == Toby Thain t...@telegraphics.com.au writes: ... tt /. is no person... ... you and I both know it's plausible speculation that Apple delayed unleashing ZFS on their consumers

Re: [zfs-discuss] 7110 questions

2009-06-18 Thread Scott Meilicke
Both iSCSI and NFS are slow? I would expect NFS to be slow, but in my iSCSI testing with OpenSolaris 2008.11, performance we reasonable, about 2x NFS. Setup: Dell 2950 with a SAS HBA and SATA 3x5 raidz (15 disks, no separate ZIL), iSCSI using vmware ESXi 3.5 software initiator. Scott -- This

Re: [zfs-discuss] 7110 questions

2009-06-18 Thread Erik Ableson
There's a configuration issue in there somewhere. I have a ZFS based system serving up to some ESX servers working great with a few exceptions. First off perf was awful, but there was some confusion on how to optimize network traffic on ESX so I installed a fresh one using only the

Re: [zfs-discuss] 7110 questions

2009-06-18 Thread Nicholas Lee
With XenServer 4 and NFS you had to grow the disks (modified manually from thin to fat) in order to get decent performance. On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 7:06 AM, lawrence ho no-re...@opensolaris.orgwrote: We have a 7110 on try and buy program. We tried using the 7110 with XEN Server 5 over iSCSI

Re: [zfs-discuss] 7110 questions

2009-06-18 Thread Adam Leventhal
Hey Lawrence, Make sure you're running the latest software update. Note that this forumn is not the appropriate place to discuss support issues. Please contact your official Sun support channel. Adam On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:06:02PM -0700, lawrence ho wrote: We have a 7110 on try and buy

Re: [zfs-discuss] Lots of metadata overhead on filesystems with 100M files

2009-06-18 Thread Richard Elling
Gary Mills wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:12:16PM +0200, Cor Beumer - Storage Solution Architect wrote: What they noticed on the the X4500 systems, that when the zpool became filled up for about 50-60% the performance of the system did drop enormously. They do claim this has to do with

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs on 32 bit?

2009-06-18 Thread Miles Nordin
cd == Casper Dik casper@sun.com writes: yeah. many of those ARM systems will be low-power builtin-crypto-accel builtin-gigabit-MAC based on Orion and similar, NAS (NSLU2-ish) things begging for ZFS. cd So what's the boot environment they use? i think it is called

Re: [zfs-discuss] APPLE: ZFS need bug corrections instead of new func! Or?

2009-06-18 Thread Sean Sprague
Toby, On 17-Jun-09, at 7:37 AM, Orvar Korvar wrote: Ok, so you mean the comments are mostly FUD and bull shit? Because there are no bug reports from the whiners? Could this be the case? It is mostly FUD? Hmmm...? Having read the thread, I would say without a doubt. Slashdot was never

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs on 32 bit?

2009-06-18 Thread Fajar A. Nugraha
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:28 AM, Miles Nordincar...@ivy.net wrote:   djm http://opensolaris.org/os/project/osarm/ yeah.  many of those ARM systems will be low-power builtin-crypto-accel builtin-gigabit-MAC based on Orion and similar, NAS (NSLU2-ish) things begging for ZFS. Are they feasible

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs on 32 bit?

2009-06-18 Thread Erik Trimble
Fajar A. Nugraha wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:28 AM, Miles Nordincar...@ivy.net wrote: djm http://opensolaris.org/os/project/osarm/ yeah. many of those ARM systems will be low-power builtin-crypto-accel builtin-gigabit-MAC based on Orion and similar, NAS (NSLU2-ish) things begging

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs on 32 bit?

2009-06-18 Thread Bogdan M. Maryniuk
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Erik Trimbleerik.trim...@sun.com wrote: I can't say as to the entire Atom line of stuff, but I've found the Atoms are OK for desktop use, and not anywhere powerful enough for even a basic NAS server.  The demands of wire-speed Gigabit, ZFS, and