Re: [zfs-discuss] one more time: pool size changes

2010-06-03 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Jun 03, 2010 at 12:40:34PM -0700, Frank Cusack wrote: > On 6/3/10 12:06 AM -0400 Roman Naumenko wrote: > >I think there is a difference. Just quickly checked netapp site: > > > >Adding new disks to a RAID group If a volume has more than one RAID > >group, you can specify the RAID group to w

Re: [zfs-discuss] Storage 7410 Flush ARC for filebench

2010-05-11 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 10:55:08PM +0530, Johnson Thomas wrote: > Customer has this query > "If there is a way to flush ARC for filebench runs without rebooting > the system" > > He is running firmware 2010.02.09.0.2,1-1.13 on the NAS 7410 In the pre-ZFS world I would have suggested unmounting th

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mapping inode numbers to file names

2010-04-30 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 09:49:04PM +0200, Ragnar Sundblad wrote: > On 28 apr 2010, at 14.06, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > What indicators do you have that ONTAP/WAFL has inode->name lookup > functionality? I don't think it has any such thing - WAFL is pretty > much an UFS/FFS that does COW instead

Re: [zfs-discuss] Making ZFS better: zfshistory

2010-04-22 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 04:49:30PM +0100, Darren J Moffat wrote: > /foo is the filesystem > /foo/bar is a directory in the filesystem > > cd /foo/bar/ > touch stuff > > [ you wait, time passes; a snapshot is taken ] > > At this point /foo/bar/.snapshot/.../stuff exists > > Now do this: > > rm

Re: [zfs-discuss] Making ZFS better: zfshistory

2010-04-22 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:10:09PM -0400, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > From: Nicolas Williams [mailto:nicolas.willi...@oracle.com] > > > > POSIX doesn't allow us to have special dot files/directories outside > > filesystem root directories. > > So? Tell it to Netapp. They don't seem to have any

Re: [zfs-discuss] Making ZFS better: zfshistory

2010-04-20 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 09:03:33AM -0400, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > "zfs list -t snapshot" lists in time order. > > Good to know. I'll keep that in mind for my "zfs send" scripts but it's not > relevant for the case at hand. Because "zfs list" isn't available on the > NFS client, where the us

Re: [zfs-discuss] Who is using ZFS ACL's in production?

2010-03-02 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 11:42:30AM -0800, Carson Gaspar wrote: > > NetApp does _not_ expose an ACL via NFSv3, just old school POSIX > mode/owner/group info. I don't know how NetApp deals with chmod, but > I'm sure it's documented. I can't get a chmod to succeed in that situation. This particular

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS unit of compression

2010-02-22 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 07:43:10AM -0800, Thanos Makatos wrote: > Hello. > > I want to know what is the unit of compression in ZFS. Is it 4 KB or larger? > Is it tunnable? It is the ZFS filesystem block. -- Darren ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-d

Re: [zfs-discuss] Recover ZFS Array after OS Crash?

2010-02-05 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 08:35:15AM -0800, J wrote: > To be more descriptive, I plan to have a Raid 1 array for the OS, and > then I will need 3 additional Raid5/RaidZ/etc arrays for data > archiving, backups and other purposes. There is plenty of > documentation on how to recover an array if one o

Re: [zfs-discuss] raidz using partitions

2010-01-27 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:55:21AM -0800, Albert Frenz wrote: > hi there, > > maybe this is a stupid question, yet i haven't found an answer anywhere ;) > let say i got 3x 1,5tb hdds, can i create equal partitions out of each and > make a raid5 out of it? sure the safety would drop, but that is n

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send/receive as backup - reliability?

2010-01-22 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:38:56AM +0100, Ragnar Sundblad wrote: > On 21 jan 2010, at 00.20, Al Hopper wrote: > > I remember for about 5 years ago (before LT0-4 days) that streaming > > tape drives would go to great lengths to ensure that the drive kept > > streaming - because it took so much time

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send/receive as backup - reliability?

2010-01-22 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 08:11:27AM +1300, Ian Collins wrote: > True, but I wonder how viable its future is. One of my clients > requires 17 LT04 types for a full backup, which cost more and takes > up more space than the equivalent in removable hard drives. What kind of removable hard drives are

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I use a clone to split a filesystem?

2010-01-15 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 02:07:40PM -0600, Gary Mills wrote: > I have a ZFS filesystem that I wish to split into two > ZFS filesystems at one of the subdirectories. I understand that I > first need to make a snapshot of the filesystem and then make a clone > of the snapshot, with a different name.

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs fast mirror resync?

2010-01-14 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 06:11:10PM -0500, Miles Nordin wrote: > zpool offline / zpool online of a mirror component will indeed > fast-resync, and I do it all the time. zpool detach / attach will > not. Yes, but the offline device is still part of the pool. What are you doing with the device when

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs fast mirror resync?

2010-01-14 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 04:38:42PM +0200, Cyril Plisko wrote: > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Max Levine wrote: > > Veritas has this feature called fast mirror resync where they have ?a > > DRL on each side of the mirror and, detaching/re-attaching a mirror > > causes only the changed bits to b

Re: [zfs-discuss] rethinking RaidZ and Record size

2010-01-05 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 04:49:00PM +, Robert Milkowski wrote: > A possible *workaround* is to use SVM to set-up RAID-5 and create a > zfs pool on top of it. > How does SVM handle R5 write hole? IIRC SVM doesn't offer RAID-6. As far as I know, it does not address it. It's possible that adding

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I destroy a Zpool without importing it?

2009-12-29 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 06:02:18PM +0100, Colin Raven wrote: > Are there any negative consequences as a result of a force import? I mean > STUNT; "Sudden Totally Unexpected and Nasty Things" > -Me If the pool is not in use, no. It's a safety check to avoid problems that can easily crop up when st

Re: [zfs-discuss] raidz vs raid5 clarity needed

2009-12-29 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 02:37:20PM -0800, Brad wrote: > I would appreciate some feedback on what I've understood so far: > > WRITES > > raid5 - A FS block is written on a single disk (or multiple disks depending on size data???) There is no direct relationship between a filesystem and the RAID s

Re: [zfs-discuss] How do I determine dedupe effectiveness?

2009-12-17 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:30:29PM -0800, Stacy Maydew wrote: > So thanks for that answer. I'm a bit confused though if the dedup is > applied per zfs filesystem, not zpool, why can I only see the dedup on > a per pool basis rather than for each zfs filesystem? > > Seems to me there should be a wa

Re: [zfs-discuss] DeDup and Compression - Reverse Order?

2009-12-14 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 09:30:29PM +0300, Andrey Kuzmin wrote: > ZFS deduplication is block-level, so to deduplicate one needs data > broken into blocks to be written. With compression enabled, you don't > have these until data is compressed. Looks like cycles waste indeed, > but ... ZFS compressi

Re: [zfs-discuss] file concatenation with ZFS copy-on-write

2009-12-03 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 12:44:16PM -0800, Per Baatrup wrote: > >any of f1..f5's last blocks are partial > Does this mean that f1,f2,f3,f4 needs to be exact multiplum of the ZFS > blocksize? This is a severe restriction that will fail unless in very > special cases. Is this related to the disk form

Re: [zfs-discuss] file concatenation with ZFS copy-on-write

2009-12-03 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:36:23AM -0800, Per Baatrup wrote: > The reason I was speaking about "cat" in stead of "cp" is that in > addition to copying a single file I would like also to concatenate > several files into a single file. Can this be accomplished with your > "(z)cp"? Unless you have s

Re: [zfs-discuss] PSARC recover files?

2009-11-10 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 03:04:24PM -0600, Tim Cook wrote: > No. The whole point of a snapshot is to keep a consistent on-disk state > from a certain point in time. I'm not entirely sure how you managed to > corrupt blocks that are part of an existing snapshot though, as they'd be > read-only. Ph

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs inotify?

2009-11-09 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 03:25:02PM -0700, Robert Thurlow wrote: > Andrew Daugherity wrote: > > >if I invoke bart via truss, I see it calls statvfs() and fails. Way to > >keep up with the times, Sun! > > % file /bin/truss /bin/amd64/truss > > /bin/truss: ELF 32-bit LSB executable 80386 Vers

Re: [zfs-discuss] Basic question about striping and ZFS

2009-11-05 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 11:55:58AM -0800, Ilya wrote: > Slide 18 shows variably sizes extents but doesn't explain the process > of full-on write. What I'm looking for is one example. I still don't > understand how it works with variable sized extents. So if you have 2 > stripe units on one disk an

Re: [zfs-discuss] how to add a partition to a zpool?

2009-11-04 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 04:41:34PM +, Andrew Gabriel wrote: > A Darren Dunham wrote: > >I don't think the second fdisk partition can be used. The system > >doesn't like to have multiple "Solaris" partitions. > > > > Make sure it isn't

Re: [zfs-discuss] how to add a partition to a zpool?

2009-11-04 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 09:59:05AM +, Andrew Gabriel wrote: > It can be done by careful use of fdisk (with some risk of blowing away > the data if you get it wrong), but I've seen other email threads here > that indicate ZFS then won't mount the pool, because the two labels at > the end of t

Re: [zfs-discuss] Resilvering, amount of data on disk, etc.

2009-10-26 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:24:16AM -0700, Brian wrote: > Why does resilvering an entire disk, yield different amounts of data that was > resilvered each time. > I have read that ZFS only resilvers what it needs to, but in the case of replacing an entire disk with another formatted clean disk, you

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS snapshots & rsync --delete

2009-10-16 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 01:42:49PM +0200, Sander Smeenk wrote: > Recently i switched on 'snapdir=visible' on one of the zfs volumes to > easily expose the available snapshots and then i noticed rsync -removes- > snapshots even though i am not able to do so myself, even as root, with > plain /bin/rm

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to resize ZFS partion or add a new one?

2009-10-15 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 05:31:42AM -0700, Julio P?rez wrote: > I am thinking in another possibility. Format the current NTFS > partition to ZFS and then I would be able to use this space like > another disk, to store the user home for example, or other > stuff. Would it be possible? Not easily. S

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to resize ZFS partion or add a new one?

2009-10-13 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 05:32:35AM -0700, Julio wrote: > Hi, > > I have the following partions on my laptop, Inspiron 6000, from fdisk: > > 1 Other OS 011 12 0 > 2 EXT LBA 12 25612550 26 > 3

Re: [zfs-discuss] notations on zpools

2009-10-06 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 06:53:15PM -0500, Harry Putnam wrote: > I don't get that... I was thinking of something like > > set use:"z3 use - mirror rhosts public_html" Probably something more like: zfs set local:use="mirror rhosts public_html" tank/pubfs "local" means nothing here. Just something

Re: [zfs-discuss] Destroying zfs snapshot

2009-10-05 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 02:14:24PM -0700, Mark Horstman wrote: > I have a snapshot that I'd like to destroy: If you have a filesystem and a clone of that filesystem, a snapshot always connects them. You can destroy the snapshot only if there are no clones. -- Darren

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can ZFS dynamically grow pool sizes? (re: Windows Home Server)

2009-08-12 Thread A Darren Dunham
> >Yes, if you stick (say) a 1.5TB, 1TB, and .5TB drive together in a > >RAIDZ, you will get only 1TB of usable space. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 05:30:14PM -0400, Adam Sherman wrote: > I believe you will get .5 TB in this example, no? The slices used on each of the three disks will be .5TB. Mult

Re: [zfs-discuss] resizing zpools by growing LUN

2009-08-12 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 04:53:20AM -0700, Sascha wrote: > confirmed, it's really an EFI Label. (see below) > >format> label >[0] SMI Label >[1] EFI Label >Specify Label type[1]: 0 >Warning: This disk has an EFI label. Changing to SMI label will erase all >current partitions

Re: [zfs-discuss] resizing zpools by growing LUN

2009-08-11 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 09:35:53AM -0700, Sascha wrote: > Then creating a zpool: > [b]zpool create -m /zones/huhctmp huhctmppool > c6t6001438002A5435A0001005Ad0[/b] > > [b]zpool list[/b] > NAME SIZE USED AVAILCAP HEALTH ALTROOT > huhctmppool 59.5G 103K 59.5G 0%

Re: [zfs-discuss] resizing zpools by growing LUN

2009-08-03 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 01:15:49PM -0700, Jan wrote: > Yes, I have an EFI label on that device. > This is my procedure to try growing the capacity of the device: > -> export the zpool > -> overwrite the existing EFI label with format tool > -> auto-configure it > -> import the zpool > > What do y

Re: [zfs-discuss] resizing zpools by growing LUN

2009-07-30 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 03:51:22AM -0700, Jan wrote: > Hi all, > I need to know if it is possible to expand the capacity of a zpool > without loss of data by growing the LUN (2TB) presented from an HP EVA > to a Solaris 10 host. Yes. > I know that there is a possible way in Solaris Express Commun

Re: [zfs-discuss] LUN expansion

2009-06-08 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Sun, Jun 07, 2009 at 10:38:29AM -0700, Leonid Zamdborg wrote: > Out of curiosity, would destroying the zpool and then importing the > destroyed pool have the effect of recognizing the size change? Or > does 'destroying' a pool simply label a pool as 'destroyed' and make > no other changes... I

Re: [zfs-discuss] Does zpool clear delete corrupted files

2009-06-01 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 03:19:59PM -0700, Jonathan Loran wrote: > > Kinda scary then. Better make sure we delete all the bad files before > I back it up. That shouldn't be necessary. Clearing the error count doesn't disable checksums. Every read is going to verify checksums on the file data

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can zfs snapshot nfs mounts

2009-04-10 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 01:18:05PM -0500, Harry Putnam wrote: > I'm looking for ways to backup data on a linux server that has been > using rsync with the script `rsnapshot'. Some of you may know how > that works... I won't explain it here other than to say only changed > data gets rsynced to the

Re: [zfs-discuss] tmpfs under zfs pool

2009-04-01 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 12:41:25AM +, A Darren Dunham wrote: > On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 01:41:06AM +0300, Dimitar Vasilev wrote: > > Hi all, > > Could someone give a hint if it's possible to create rpool/tmp, mount > > it as /tmp so that tmpfs has some disk-based back

Re: [zfs-discuss] tmpfs under zfs pool

2009-03-31 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 01:41:06AM +0300, Dimitar Vasilev wrote: > Hi all, > Could someone give a hint if it's possible to create rpool/tmp, mount > it as /tmp so that tmpfs has some disk-based back-end instead of > memory-based size-limited one. You mean you want /tmp to be a regular ZFS filesyst

Re: [zfs-discuss] How do I "mirror" zfs rpool, x4500?

2009-03-18 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 07:13:41PM +0100, Carsten Aulbert wrote: > Well, consider one box being installed from CD (external USB-CD) and > another one which is jumpstarted via the network. The results usually > are two different boot device names :( > > Q: Is there an easy way to reset this without

Re: [zfs-discuss] How do I "mirror" zfs rpool, x4500?

2009-03-18 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 03:51:25PM -0700, Neal Pollack wrote: > >Step 3, you'll be presented with the disks to be selected as in > >previous releases. So, for example, to select the boot disks on the > >Thumper, > >select both of them: > > > >[x] c5t0d0 > >[x] c4t0d0 > > Why have the controller

Re: [zfs-discuss] seeking in ZFS when data is compressed

2009-03-16 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 09:54:57PM +0100, Carsten Aulbert wrote: > o what happens when a user opens the file and does a lot of seeking > inside the file? For example our scientists use a data format where > quite compressible data is contained in stretches and the file header > contains a dictionar

Re: [zfs-discuss] seeking in ZFS when data is compressed

2009-03-16 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:34:54PM +0100, Carsten Aulbert wrote: > Can ZFS make educated guesses where the seek targets might be or will it > read the file block by block until it reaches the target position, in > the latter case it might be quite inefficient if the file is huge and > has a large v

Re: [zfs-discuss] Nexsan SATABeast and ZFS

2009-03-10 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 05:57:16PM -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Tue, 10 Mar 2009, Moore, Joe wrote: > > >As far as workload, any time you use RAIDZ[2], ZFS must read the > >entire stripe (across all of the disks) in order to verify the > >checksum for that data block. This means that a 12

Re: [zfs-discuss] Write caches on X4540

2009-02-12 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 10:33:40AM -0500, Greg Mason wrote: > What I'm looking for is a faster way to do this than format -e -d > -f

Re: [zfs-discuss] What are the usual suspects in data errors?

2009-01-14 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 04:39:03PM -0600, Gary Mills wrote: > I realize that any error can occur in a storage subsystem, but most > of these have an extremely low probability. I'm interested in this > discussion in only those that do occur occasionally, and that are > not catastrophic. What level

Re: [zfs-discuss] Questions about OS 2008.11 partitioning scheme

2009-01-06 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 04:10:10PM -0500, JZ wrote: > Hello Darren, > This one, ok, was a validate thought/question -- Darn, I was hoping... > On Solaris, root pools cannot have EFI labels (the boot firmware doesn't > support booting from them). > http://blog.yucas.info/2008/11/26/zfs-boot-sola

Re: [zfs-discuss] Questions about OS 2008.11 partitioning scheme

2009-01-06 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 01:24:17PM -0800, Alex Viskovatoff wrote: > a...@diotiima:~# installgrub -m /boot/grub/stage1 /boot/grub/stage2 > /dev/rdsk/c4t0d0s0 > Updating master boot sector destroys existing boot managers (if any). > continue (y/n)?y > stage1 written to partition 0 sector 0 (abs 160

Re: [zfs-discuss] Questions about OS 2008.11 partitioning scheme

2009-01-06 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 11:49:27AM -0700, cindy.swearin...@sun.com wrote: > My wish for this year is to boot from EFI-labeled disks so examining > disk labels is mostly unnecessary because ZFS pool components could be > constructed as whole disks, and the unpleasant disk > format/label/partitioning

Re: [zfs-discuss] Questions about OS 2008.11 partitioning scheme

2009-01-06 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 10:22:20AM -0800, Alex Viskovatoff wrote: > I did an install of OpenSolaris in which I specified that the whole disk > should be used for the installation. Here is what "format> verify" produces > for that disk: > > Part TagFlag Cylinders Size

Re: [zfs-discuss] Observation of Device Layout vs Performance

2009-01-06 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 08:44:01AM -0800, Jacob Ritorto wrote: > Is this increase explicable / expected? The throughput calculator > sheet output I saw seemed to forecast better iops with the striped > raidz vdevs and I'd read that, generally, throughput is augmented by > keeping the number of vd

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-05 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 09:58:37PM -0500, JZ wrote: >> Under what situations would you expect any differences between the ZFS >> checksums and the Netapp checksums to appear? >> >> I have no evidence, but I suspect the only difference (modulo any bugs) >> is how the software handles checksum failur

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS vs HardWare raid - data integrity?

2009-01-03 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 01:53:03PM -0500, Miles Nordin wrote: > The thing I don't like about the checksums is that they trigger for > things other than bad disks, like if your machine loses power during a > resilver, or other corner cases and bugs. I think the Netapp > block-level RAID-layer check

Re: [zfs-discuss] Removing Disks from pools

2008-12-18 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:24:26AM +0200, Johan Hartzenberg wrote: > Similarly, adding a device into a raid-Z vdev seems easy to do: All future > writes include that device in the list of devices from which to allocate > blocks. In general, I agree completely. But in practice there are limitatio

Re: [zfs-discuss] Easiest way to replace a boot disk with a larger one?

2008-12-17 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 01:57:37PM -0600, Tim wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:23 AM, wrote: > > > Hi Alex, > > > > Sorry, I missed the 1.5 TB disk/boot issue previously. > > > > A project is underway to provide booting for disks that are large > > than 1 TB. This project is outside of a futur

Re: [zfs-discuss] Need Help Invalidating Uberblock

2008-12-16 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 12:07:52PM +, Ross Smith wrote: > It sounds to me like there are several potentially valid filesystem > uberblocks available, am I understanding this right? > > 1. There are four copies of the current uberblock. Any one of these > should be enough to load your pool wit

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best practice for swap and root pool

2008-11-26 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 04:30:59PM +0100, "C. Bergstr?m" wrote: > Ok. here's a trick question.. So to the best of my understanding zfs > turns off write caching if it doesn't own the whole disk.. So what if s0 > *is* the whole disk? Is write cache supposed to be turned on or off? Actually, ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] Files from the future are not accessible on ZFS

2008-11-04 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 05:52:33AM -0800, Ivan Wang wrote: > > $ /usr/bin/amd64/ls -l .gtk-bookmarks > > -rw-r--r-- 1 user opc0 oct. 16 2057 > > .gtk-bookmarks > > > > This is a bit absurd. I thought Solaris was fully 64 > > bit. I hope those tools will be integrated soon. Solaris

Re: [zfs-discuss] volname

2008-10-10 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 03:19:49AM +0300, Marcus Sundman wrote: > I've used format's "volname" command to give labels to my drives > according to their physical location. I did quite a lot of work > labeling all my drives (I couldn't figure out which controller got > which numbers so I had to disco

Re: [zfs-discuss] Quantifying ZFS reliability

2008-09-30 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 03:19:40PM -0700, Erik Trimble wrote: > To make Will's argument more succinct (), with a NetApp, > undetectable (by the NetApp) errors can be introduced at the HBA and > transport layer (FC Switch, slightly damage cable) levels. ZFS will > detect such errors, and fix th

Re: [zfs-discuss] Disk Concatenation

2008-09-23 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 08:56:39AM +0200, Nils Goroll wrote: >> That case appears to be about trying to get a raidz sized properly >> against disks of different sizes. I don't see a similar issue for >> someone preferring a concat over a stripe. > > I don't quite understand your comment. > > The q

Re: [zfs-discuss] Disk Concatenation

2008-09-22 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 01:03:13PM +0200, Nils Goroll wrote: > See > > http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=271983񂙯 > > The case mentioned there is one where concatenation in zdevs would be useful. That case appears to be about trying to get a raidz sized properly against disks

Re: [zfs-discuss] Disk Concatenation

2008-09-19 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:31:07AM -0400, Michael Dvinyaninov wrote: > Hello, > > I am sure that this question was answered already but I could not find > an answer. > Is it possible to force zfs pool to have concatenation not striping or > it can't be specified. No, it can't. How would having

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAIDZ read-optimized write?

2008-09-18 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 01:26:09PM +0200, Nils Goroll wrote: > Thank you very much for correcting my long-time misconception. > > On the other hand, isn't there room for improvement here? If it was > possible to break large writes into smaller blocks with individual > checkums(for instance those w

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500 vs AVS ?

2008-09-11 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 04:28:03PM -0400, Jim Dunham wrote: > > On Sep 11, 2008, at 11:19 AM, A Darren Dunham wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:33:00AM -0400, Jim Dunham wrote: >>> The issue with any form of RAID >1, is that the instant a disk fails >>>

Re: [zfs-discuss] x4500 vs AVS ?

2008-09-11 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:33:00AM -0400, Jim Dunham wrote: > The issue with any form of RAID >1, is that the instant a disk fails > out of the RAID set, with the next write I/O to the remaining members > of the RAID set, the failed disk (and its replica) are instantly out > of sync. Does ra

Re: [zfs-discuss] Error: value too large for defined data type

2008-09-05 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 03:17:44PM -0400, Paul Raines wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] # ls -l > ./README: Value too large for defined data type > total 36 > -rw-r- 1 mreuter mreuter 1019 Sep 25 2006 Makefile > -rw-r- 1 mreuter mreuter 3185 Feb 22 2000 lcompgre.cc > -rw-r- 1

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool autoexpand property - HowTo question

2008-08-22 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:54:00AM -0700, Gordon Ross wrote: > I noted this PSARC thread with interest: > Re: zpool autoexpand property [PSARC/2008/353 Self Review] > because it so happens that during a recent disk upgrade, > on a laptop. I've migrated a zpool off of one partition > onto a slight

Re: [zfs-discuss] more ZFS recovery

2008-08-07 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 11:34:12AM -0700, Richard Elling wrote: > Anton B. Rang wrote: > > First, there are two types of utilities which might be useful in the > > situation where a ZFS pool has become corrupted. The first is a file system > > checking utility (call it zfsck); the second is a dat

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS root boot failure?

2008-06-12 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 07:28:23AM -0400, Brian Hechinger wrote: > I think something else that might help is if ZFS were to boot, see that > the volume it booted from is older than the other one, print a message > to that effect and either halt the machine or issue a reboot pointing > at the other

Re: [zfs-discuss] Boot from mirrored vdev

2008-06-12 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 07:29:08AM -0700, Rich Teer wrote: > Hi all, > > Booting from a two-way mirrored metadevice created using SVM > can be a bit risky, especially when one of the drives fail > (not being able to form a quarum, the kernel will panic). SVM doesn't panic in that situation. At b

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS conflict with MAID?

2008-06-10 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 05:32:21PM -0400, Torrey McMahon wrote: > However, some apps will probably be very unhappy if i/o takes 60 seconds > to complete. It's certainly not uncommon for that to occur in an NFS environment. All of our applications seem to hang on just fine for minor planned and un

Re: [zfs-discuss] Growing root pool ?

2008-06-10 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 11:33:36AM -0700, Wyllys Ingersoll wrote: > Im running build 91 with ZFS boot. It seems that ZFS will not allow > me to add an additional partition to the current root/boot pool > because it is a bootable dataset. Is this a known issue that will be > fixed or a permanent l

Re: [zfs-discuss] disk names?

2008-06-05 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 11:13:01AM -0400, Luke Scharf wrote: > So, can I build a working system without s2? Build? I'm not so sure. The first label is going to have s2 by default. You'd have to remove it later. I doubt there's language in the jumpstart scripts to remove it then. But yes, remo

Re: [zfs-discuss] disk names?

2008-06-04 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 06:28:58PM -0400, Luke Scharf wrote: >2. The number s2 is arbitrary. If it were s0, then there would at > least be the beginning of the list. If it were s3, it would be at > the end of a 2-bit list, which could be explained historically. > If it were

Re: [zfs-discuss] new install - when is zfs root offered? (snv_90)

2008-06-03 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 05:56:44PM -0700, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: > How about SPARC - can it do zfs install+root yet, or if not, when? > Just got a couple of nice 1TB SAS drives, and I think I'd prefer to > have a mirrored pool where zfs owns the entire drives, if possible. > (I'd also eventuall

Re: [zfs-discuss] NFS4-sharing-ZFS issues

2008-05-21 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 02:43:26PM -0400, Will Murnane wrote: > So, my questions are: > * Are there options I can set server- or client-side to make Solaris > child mounts happen automatically (i.e., match the Linux behavior)? I think these are known as "mirror-mounts" in Solaris. They first inte

Re: [zfs-discuss] openSolaris ZFS root, swap, dump

2008-05-17 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 07:29:31PM -0700, Paul B. Henson wrote: > For ZFS root, is it required to have a partition and slices? Or can I just > give it the whole disk and have it write an EFI label on it? Last I heard, no support yet for EFI boot. I'm not sure if that's something that's being acti

Re: [zfs-discuss] Deletion of file from ZFS Disk and Snapshots

2008-05-13 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 04:33:29PM +0200, Simon Breden wrote: > > If multiple snapshots reference (own?) the same file, what's the quickest > way to zap that file from all snapshots? There is no way. If you could do that, then they wouldn't really be "snapshots". I'm not saying that the abili

Re: [zfs-discuss] Deletion of file from ZFS Disk and Snapshots

2008-05-13 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:02:01AM -0700, Marc Glisse wrote: > Can't you turn the snapshot into a clone (kind of an editable > snapshot)? Or does the existence of a clone created from this snapshot > prevent from removing the snapshot afterwards? You can create a clone from the snapshot, but it do

Re: [zfs-discuss] Sanity check -- x4500 storage server for enterprise file service

2008-05-12 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 06:44:39PM +0200, Ralf Bertling wrote: > ...you should be able to "simulate" a scrub on the latest data by > using > zfs send > /dev/null > Since the primary purpose is to verify latent bugs and to have zfs > auto-correct them, simply reading all data would be sufficient

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS raidz write performance:what to expect from SATA drives on ICH9R

2008-04-19 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 10:28:45AM -0700, Richard Elling wrote: > Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > > I don't agree that if swap is used that performance will necessarily > > suck. If swap is available, Solaris will mount /tmp there, which > > helps temporary file performance. It is best to look at syst

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS raidz write performance:what to expect from SATA drives on ICH9R

2008-04-19 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 12:16:11PM -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Richard Elling wrote: > > > > Don't worry about swapping on CF. In most cases, you won't be > > using the swap device for normal operations. You can use the > > swap -l command to observe the swap device usage

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solaris 10U5 ZFS features?

2008-04-17 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:51:03PM -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: > Even though I am on a bunch of Sun propaganda lists, I have not yet > spotted an announcement for Solaris 10U5 even though it is now > available for download. Sun's formal web site is useless for > comparing what is in different

Re: [zfs-discuss] overhead of snapshot operations

2008-03-21 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 09:55:38AM -0700, Tim Wood wrote: > Hi, > I'm interested in the overhead of making, cloning, and destroying snapshots. > It sounds like the cost for all of these is low, but how low?? > > For example, could I make snapshots of a system every 5 seconds? > every second? Mo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Snapshots silently eating user quota

2008-03-20 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 03:12:01PM -0700, Walter Faleiro wrote: > Layman's method would be to try and total the space it lists against each > snapshot, but its not the case ZFS calculates. So I go on deleting the > snapshots, until the last one. Yes. This has been discussed before. There doesn't

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mixing RAIDZ and RAIDZ2 zvols in the same zpool

2008-03-12 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:41:21AM -0500, Scott Gaspard wrote: > I have a customer who has implemented the following layout: As you can > see, he has mostly raidz zvols but has one raidz2 in the same zpool. > What are the implications here? Is this a bad thing to do? Please > elaborate. It's

Re: [zfs-discuss] 'du' is not accurate on zfs

2008-02-20 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 12:13:25PM -0800, Marion Hakanson wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > It may not be relevant, but I've seen ZFS add weird delays to things too. I > > deleted a file to free up space, but when I checked no more space was > > reported. A second or two later the space appear

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAIDz2 reporting odd (smaller) size

2008-02-13 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 02:48:25PM -0800, Sam wrote: > I saw some other people have a similar problem but reports claimed > this was 'fixed in release 42' which is many months old, I'm running > the latest version. I made a RAIDz2 of 8x500GB which should give me a > 3TB pool: How many sectors on

[zfs-discuss] NFS device IDs for snapshot filesystems

2008-02-07 Thread A Darren Dunham
I notice that files within a snapshot show a different deviceID to stat than the parent file does. But this is not true when mounted via NFS. Is this a limitation of the NFS client, or just what the ZFS fileserver is doing? Will this change in the future? With NFS4 mirror mounts? -- Darren Dun

Re: [zfs-discuss] Snapshot size larger than expected

2008-01-23 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 11:11:38AM -0800, Matt Newcombe wrote: > Creating an empty zpool & zfs > Creating a 6MB text file > Taking a snapshot > > So far so good. The filesystem size is 6MB and the snapshot 0MB > > Now I edit the first 4 characters of the text file. I would have > expected the siz

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to create ZFS pool ?

2007-11-14 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 09:40:59AM -0800, Boris Derzhavets wrote: > I was able to create second Solaris partition by running > > #fdisk /dev/rdsk/c1t0d0p0 I'm afraid that won't do you much good. Solaris only works with one "Solaris" partition at a time (on any one disk). If you have free space

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-11-13 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:33:20PM -0200, Toby Thain wrote: > >>> Yup - that's exactly the kind of error that ZFS and > >> WAFL do a > >>> perhaps uniquely good job of catching. > >> > >> WAFL can't catch all: It's distantly isolated from > >> the CPU end. > > > > WAFL will catch everything that ZF

Re: [zfs-discuss] Yager on ZFS

2007-11-12 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Sat, Nov 10, 2007 at 02:05:04PM -0200, Toby Thain wrote: > > Yup - that's exactly the kind of error that ZFS and WAFL do a > > perhaps uniquely good job of catching. > > WAFL can't catch all: It's distantly isolated from the CPU end. How so? The checksumming method is different from ZFS, bu

Re: [zfs-discuss] Limiting the power of zfs destroy

2007-10-23 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 09:55:58AM -0700, Scott Laird wrote: > I'm writing a couple scripts to automate backups and snapshots, and I'm > finding myself cringing every time I call 'zfs destroy' to get rid of a > snapshot, because a small typo could take out the original filesystem > instead of a sna

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hierarchal zfs mounts

2007-10-22 Thread A Darren Dunham
On Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 11:41:57AM -0700, Michael Schuster wrote: > Mike DeMarco wrote: > > Looking for a way to mount a zfs filesystem ontop of another zfs > > filesystem without resorting to legacy mode. > > doesn't simply 'zfs set mountpoint=...' work for you? Does this have boot-time problems

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